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VCO

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Thank you as always for your very kind words, VCO:)
I got 2 weeks, and 2 days left of the this Radiation Therapy, to get rid of this Cancer. The only blessing I can see, is it it is only 10 minutes a day, five days a week. I can do this, but it is not fun. Keep Praying, and thank you for your prayers.
 

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I got 2 weeks, and 2 days left of the this Radiation Therapy, to get rid of this Cancer. The only blessing I can see, is it it is only 10 minutes a day, five days a week. I can do this, but it is not fun. Keep Praying, and thank you for your prayers.
My radiation was for five weeks, Monday to Friday, with chemo on the same days, followed by my first surgery, and then I had more months of chemo after that. The radiation was very quick, as you say. I pray the cancer is decimated by your treatments! God is good :)
 

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I got 2 weeks, and 2 days left of the this Radiation Therapy, to get rid of this Cancer. The only blessing I can see, is it it is only 10 minutes a day, five days a week. I can do this, but it is not fun. Keep Praying, and thank you for your prayers.
I think CChat needs a prayer emoji. :🙏
 

VCO

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My radiation was for five weeks, Monday to Friday, with chemo on the same days, followed by my first surgery, and then I had more months of chemo after that. The radiation was very quick, as you say. I pray the cancer is decimated by your treatments! God is good :)
Yes this was for 29 day, off on weekends, and four days for thanksgiving. It started on a Tuesday, so I got to make it up for this fourday weekend. Yes, it is 10 minutes a day, on the radiation machine, and it is getting old. Then about six months of healing before I get my voice back to normal.
 

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Heb 10:39 (ISV)
Now, we do not belong to those who turn back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved.

Do you know it is possible to have Faith, and Not be SAVED ?

Even the Demons have that much faith.

It is the Love relationship, that you can count on.
 

VCO

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My radiation was for five weeks, Monday to Friday, with chemo on the same days, followed by my first surgery, and then I had more months of chemo after that. The radiation was very quick, as you say. I pray the cancer is decimated by your treatments! God is good :)

Yes 7 days of radiation treatment left. From what they said, it is the worst week of bad side effects from the radiation treatment. My side effects are already Extremely Raw throat pain, and have coughed up 19 of the dead Cancer Tissues, so Pray for me to get threw the next 10 days.
 

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Yes 7 days of radiation treatment left. From what they said, it is the worst week of bad side effects from the radiation treatment. My side effects are already Extremely Raw throat pain, and have coughed up 19 of the dead Cancer Tissues, so Pray for me to get threw the next 10 days.
My dad died of prostate cancer in 2012. My uncles got it too. One of the died. The other got treatment early and it's been beaten.

This should pause folks in thinking miracles happen all the time. They are rare.. biblical miracles.

But yeah it is sad seeing it happen and really hard when the person with cancer gets very weak.

I pray for relief and that God tips the balances to healing of the cancers.
 

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he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to His own mercy= Baptism in the Name of the Father
by the washing of regeneration= Baptism in the Name of the Son
renewal of the Holy Spirit= Baptism in the Name of the Holy Spirit.
 

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English Standard Version
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to His own mercy= Baptism in the Name of the Father
by the washing of regeneration= Baptism in the Name of the Son
renewal of the Holy Spirit= Baptism in the Name of the Holy Spirit.
Baptism?

Immersion in water is a response to previously being converted and isn't connected to eternal salvation. It does not 'put away the filth of the flesh'

It does save in terms of salvaging the life to God as a whole life commitment. But this is save not as in eternal but save as in 'rescue' 'deliver'

The baptism in 1 Co 12:13 is immersion Baptism as a pre requirement before joining a Christian congregation. The body in the Corinthians book is the Corinth congregation. It's local and visible.

It isn't the entity of every believer. Paul says to the Corinthians 'ye are the body of Christ'

That is the Corinthian congregation. The body at Corinth.
 

VCO

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My dad died of prostate cancer in 2012. My uncles got it too. One of the died. The other got treatment early and it's been beaten.

This should pause folks in thinking miracles happen all the time. They are rare.. biblical miracles.

But yeah it is sad seeing it happen and really hard when the person with cancer gets very weak.

I pray for relief and that God tips the balances to healing of the cancers.


Now I have coughed out 20 dead Tissue samples of the kind of cancer that have invaded my Voice Box. They mis-diagnosed it for 3 months before found it was not Polyps, but a fast acting Cancer. That is a long time for this fast acting cancer, to keep multiplying. Six more days to go for the Treatment to be over.
But they say it will take 6 months or more for my voice to comeback.
 

VCO

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Baptism?

Immersion in water is a response to previously being converted and isn't connected to eternal salvation. It does not 'put away the filth of the flesh'

It does save in terms of salvaging the life to God as a whole life commitment. But this is save not as in eternal but save as in 'rescue' 'deliver'

The baptism in 1 Co 12:13 is immersion Baptism as a pre requirement before joining a Christian congregation. The body in the Corinthians book is the Corinth congregation. It's local and visible.

It isn't the entity of every believer. Paul says to the Corinthians 'ye are the body of Christ'

That is the Corinthian congregation. The body at Corinth.

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Yes I agree, that instant we first believe, which come from the Hole Spirit, AND he Emerges us into the Spiritual Body of CHRIST, happens in less than a second.
That is the Salvation that SAVES, decided that God would have me climb into a Baptistry Later on, only mirrors what happened to us in that Second, were when the Holy Spirit Baptized us, into the Body of Christ.

I was Baptized by the Holy Spirit, and over a year later, decided I NEED TO GET BAPTIZED IN WATER. How do I know I was baptized the From the moment of Spiritual Baptism Dec. 30, 1987. And, I was obeying HIM, when HE TOLD ME, I needed move to Cal. and after I Heard a Sermon on the Need For Baptism in Water, in about Mar. of 1989. He spoke to my heart, and "It is finished, move West."; my ministry to other at my Workplace. I transferred in the Post Office to city close to Reno. It what all HIS IDEA, and I was just walking through the doors that HE OPENED.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (NASB)
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
 

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Yes 7 days of radiation treatment left. From what they said, it is the worst week of bad side effects from the radiation treatment. My side effects are already Extremely Raw throat pain, and have coughed up 19 of the dead Cancer Tissues, so Pray for me to get threw the next 10 days.
my mother had radiation for colon cancer back in the summer. the last few were the worst.
be praying for you.

you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.
 

wattie

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Yes I agree, that instant we first believe, which come from the Hole Spirit, AND he Emerges us into the Spiritual Body of CHRIST, happens in less than a second.
That is the Salvation that SAVES, decided that God would have me climb into a Baptistry Later on, only mirrors what happened to us in that Second, were when the Holy Spirit Baptized us, into the Body of Christ.

I was Baptized by the Holy Spirit, and over a year later, decided I NEED TO GET BAPTIZED IN WATER. How do I know I was baptized the From the moment of Spiritual Baptism Dec. 30, 1987. And, I was obeying HIM, when HE TOLD ME, I needed move to Cal. and after I Heard a Sermon on the Need For Baptism in Water, in about Mar. of 1989. He spoke to my heart, and "It is finished, move West."; my ministry to other at my Workplace. I transferred in the Post Office to city close to Reno. It what all HIS IDEA, and I was just walking through the doors that HE OPENED.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (NASB)
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
I was baptised b as a teen in a charismatic methodist church. It was by immersion but that church had some weird teachings.

In 2004 I started going to a church that was seriously biblical. They showed me in scripture of re-baptism.

I wasn't sure if the first baptism counted, but got rebaptised anyway.

I believe I joined the Family of God at salvation when I was 13. That's when I believed in Jesus.

I believe the Family of God.. is what you are calling the spiritual Body of Christ. The Family has every believer in it.

Anyway, I pray the cancer does recede and die. It really shook me up seeing how weak my dad got. He was a fit and active person. Then he became helpless like a baby.
 
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Blessed be the name of the Lord...We are not saved by what we do or what we have done....its just God's undesereving kindness that we have the salvation we have today....this is for unbelievers not the people who have believed ...good works or bad works do not guarantee salvation ....im telling you if Hitler had belived the true gospel and repented he would have been saved....However James saying that faith without works is dead is for the believers that is you cant say you have faith alone an not accompany it by good works....previously, Isaiah had said that our righteousness is like filthy rags but once you are served you are changed person

Ephesians 4:21-24
"when you heard about Christ and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. 22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness."

so now we in the faith can do good just as God does because we have been created again to be like God righteous and Holy and a righteous person does Good deeds to everyone without it appearing like filthy rags...Rahab goods work were as a result of her believing in the God of Israel first and then she helped the spies with a request to be saved from death and that act was the good deed but first she acknowledged the God of Heaven first Hebrews 11:31 "By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient"

and btw paul says a believer whose works are dead doesnt have faith in 1st Timothy 5:8 "Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. " ........so actually paul agrees with james...those of the faith but dont have good works or deeds to support their faith have actually left the faith and their faith is dead
 

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Peter was given the authority to make the rule on how to be saved, what Peter bound on earth so was it bound in heaven . Peter set that rule in ACT 2:37 - 2;:38 and receiving the image of God AKA the Holy Ghost is what actually saves a person and according to Paul in Roman 16 this is not a work this is an act of obedience
 

wattie

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Peter was given the authority to make the rule on how to be saved, what Peter bound on earth so was it bound in heaven . Peter set that rule in ACT 2:37 - 2;:38 and receiving the image of God AKA the Holy Ghost is what actually saves a person and according to Paul in Roman 16 this is not a work this is an act of obedience
The 'whatsoever shall be bound '.. verses have context around them of conflict resolution with a sinning brother.

So the binding and loosing is to do with God blessing the process of resolving sin disputes among gathered church members.

The keys are to do with this process. Having the authority to admit and exit church members.
 

VCO

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My radiation was for five weeks, Monday to Friday, with chemo on the same days, followed by my first surgery, and then I had more months of chemo after that. The radiation was very quick, as you say. I pray the cancer is decimated by your treatments! God is good :)
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I will find out if they got it all on March 14, when they have the ENT Specialist reexamine my throat. It feels like they did, but the radiation treatment on my throat, was the pits.
 

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If I had cancer, I would try Ivermectin, or some other horse-dewormer. Word on the street is that governments don't like anti-parasitic medicine because they target the parasites responsible for cancer.

Obviously, do your own research. Too much of anything can be bad, even pet dewormers.
 

VCO

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I will find out if they got it all on March 14, when they have the ENT Specialist reexamine my throat. It feels like they did, but the radiation treatment on my throat, was the pits.
I am starting to get my Voice back, a little bit at a time. The final call will be in2.5 months whether I am a cancer survivor or not.
 

VCO

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I miss dc, and wish he was back. I think his only fault was overly Zealous about what we call GENUINE SALVATION, compared to just thinking you are, because of your works.