Not By Works

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BillG

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I miss dc, and wish he was back. I think his only fault was overly Zealous about what we call GENUINE SALVATION, compared to just thinking you are, because of your works.
Totally agree.
 

VCO

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If I had cancer, I would try Ivermectin, or some other horse-dewormer. Word on the street is that governments don't like anti-parasitic medicine because they target the parasites responsible for cancer.

Obviously, do your own research. Too much of anything can be bad, even pet dewormers.
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The type of Cancer, I had was Vocal Cord Cancer, and can be cured with Treatments 92.5% of the time. That is an amazing success rate. But the adverse effects of the radiation treatments is the PITS. It burns the inside of your throat, like a DEEP SUNBURN inside it. And you cough up lots of dead cancer cells, and lots of peelings from the sort of Sunburn effects, from inside your throat.
 

VCO

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I got my voice back about 65%, about 4 days ago, may the rest is soon to come. The swelling in my throat is back to almost normal, and the coughing up flem is about 80 gone. So it is healing. Thanks for the Prayers.
 
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I don't want to take credit for something my pastor told us. Paul is speaking to non believer/new maybe. So he is telling them their good works is not enough, It's their Faith that gets them to heaven No matter how good the deeds are. However, In James he is speaking to believers. There should be evidence of your faith. Would you agree?
 

Cameron143

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I don't want to take credit for something my pastor told us. Paul is speaking to non believer/new maybe. So he is telling them their good works is not enough, It's their Faith that gets them to heaven No matter how good the deeds are. However, In James he is speaking to believers. There should be evidence of your faith. Would you agree?
It may be that Paul is concerned with the means of salvation and James is concerned with the evidence of salvation. If you continue reading the Ephesians passage, Paul ends where James begins...created in Christ Jesus unto good works.
James picks up on this idea that if we are saved unto good works, then if there are none present, why would one think that their faith is real.
 

VCO

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I have something, most of you will appreciate. It comes from my study: Third Temple News, which is about what the Sanhedrin and Israel, is saying about building the Third Temple, Not about Prophecy in the Bible. Israel does not like Josephus, first Century Historian, because somewhere in middle of his life, he became a genuine Christian. Here is something that Josephus said in one of his history books, written after his conversion to Christianity:

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DID YOU NOTICE THAT ON THIS FACT SHEET FROM JOSEPHUS:


But if we go the other way westward, it began at the same place; and extended through a place called Bethso, to the gate of the Essenes: and after that it went southward: having its bending above the fountain Siloam; where it also bends again towards the east at Solomon’s pool, and reaches as far as a certain place which they called Ophlas [what they called the OPHEL at that point in time], where it was joined to the eastern cloister of the temple. The second wall took its beginning from that gate which they called Gennath, which belonged to the first wall. It only encompassed the northern quarter of the city, and reached as far as the tower Antonia. - Josephus The Jewish War Book V chapter 4

Josephus placed the TEMPLE on the OPHEL, not on top of the so-called Temple Mount.
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There Jews must have thought he had a mid-life crisis, and turned to become a Christian. They discount almost everything he said in his history Books.

The Gate of the Essenes was near to the Northeast corner along the EAST side of the TEMPLE complex.

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This is a stitched together from several artist, and my comments, striving to keep it accurate to the way it was in Christ's Day. After learning as much as I could from the BIBLE, Columnists on Websites, Historians, etc. I always strive to use the Biblical Rule, of "With two or three Witnesses, affirm everything." As much as I could, I also strived to check out articles by evangelicals to hopefully eliminate bad sources of information from contaminating any of the info here. Where I only found ONE SOURCE of info, I followed it by marked it with ?, like the 5th Tower could be TOWER OF ANTONIA above. Most info was in a article about what all Sir Charles Warren, about 1880, found a fallen down Tower destroyed by an earthquake, that he labeled "A Very Tall Tower". I added, it could be what they called the Tower of Antonia, because I learned in another site, that tower, the TOWER OF ANTONIA was the one that was the tallest. I am totally convinced that the location of the TEMPLE was on the Southwest Corner of the OPHEL, and I am equally convinced in that Mt. ZION is the OPHEL. The Sanhedrin, the first year of their return from exile, they Chose by a VOTE that was 4 different locations, in the year 1212, after returning to Jerusalem from over a 1000 years of exile, where they think the TEMPLE belonged, and where they think Mt. ZION was located. Both VOTES were in error.

I thank you for your interest, and the those who influenced me to come this conclusion, I thank you too.

I found a map, that needs some editing, to be accurate, showing the Palace of King David, and where I think is logical, due to inheritance, that King Solomon is too. I will make it my next Project to complete, and will post it here too.
 

VCO

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I got it done, and I am confident it is the most accurate map you have ever seen. I want to thank the original artist, there were very few errors that I had to correct. I struggled all day to make a Synagogue picture look right, but had give up and used two circles to represent the Two external building for KING and Queen. Back to the Future.

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Yes there have verified that the bottom floor is the MILLO. I am sure that David, must have said something like, "If the bad guys show up, I want you guards, in the first floor below me."
 

oyster67

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Not By Works

Correct. The just shall live by faith... and continuance in it.

Abide in the Vine.
 

VCO

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I don't want to take credit for something my pastor told us. Paul is speaking to non believer/new maybe. So he is telling them their good works is not enough, It's their Faith that gets them to heaven No matter how good the deeds are. However, In James he is speaking to believers. There should be evidence of your faith. Would you agree?
As long as HE get full credit for the good HE ENABLED you to do. Genuine Faith is a GIFT from GOD, not something we thought up by ourselves.

1 Corinthians 15:10 (HCSB)
10 But by God’s grace I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not ineffective. However, I worked more than any of them, yet not I, but God’s grace that was with me.

2 Corinthians 3:5 (HCSB)
5 It is not that we are competent in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our competence is from God.

Philippians 2:13 (HCSB)
13 For it is God who is working in you, enabling you both to desire and to work out His good purpose.

Prov 27:2 [HCSB]
Let another praise you, and not your own mouth
a stranger, and not your own lips.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (NJB)
8 Because it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith; not by anything of your own, but by a gift from God;
9 not by anything that you have done, so that nobody can claim the credit.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

AMEN!
 

VCO

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My doggie, don't like this freezing rain and snowy weather, she doesn't get her swing time.

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VCO

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My post radiation treatment for Larynx Cancer, my voice came back about a month after the last treatment session.
I want to thank those who we praying for me. GOD ANSWERED THOSE PRAYERS. The told me the voice usually takes 5 - 6 months to return. It took one month for me.
 
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It does not get any plainer..........Our righteous works have ZERO to do with Salvation!

English Standard Version
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Berean Study Bible
He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

Berean Literal Bible
He saved us, not by works in righteousness that we did, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

New American Standard Bible
He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

King James Bible
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Jesus plainly warns for us to remain in Him.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6


Plainly those who are “in Christ” are saved, being joined to Him, as one spirit with Him. However to those “in Him”, He warns that they must continue to remain “in Him”.


Here is how we are instructed to remain “in Christ”.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24





JPT
 

VCO

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I the BIBLE, they do not mention the "TOWER of ANTONIA", yet Josephus, the first century Historian, mentions it several time, as if it was a famous Landmark in Jerusalem. I had to spend most of the day yesterday, to find out what it was, and how High it was. Was it ever mentioned to you, or was it too Trivial to mention it in the BIBLE, and what ever happened to it?

I think it was a Critical understanding that most people do not understand that portion of the BIBLE. I will wait a few days, before before to get an answer, before I tell you all what I have learned.