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You were posting to a BELIEVER man! So hell is not a place they are going! That is what I'm saying.
according to scripture believers will Go to hell also.

Because they only believe they have saved themselves.
I said "We are saved by grace alone through faith alone." That means my faith is in Christ alone..not in myself. No one will or can save me or anyone but Christ alone. He is faithful to complete what He began. (Philipians 1:6)
 
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I said "We are saved by grace alone through faith alone." That means my faith is in Christ alone..not in myself. No one will or can save me or anyone but Christ alone. He is faithful to complete what He began. (Philipians 1:6)
He his faithful your correct, and anyone's faith is not fulfilled untill this is complete in the believer. Only genuine faith receives salvation.

If you can't agree, so be it.

1 Peter 1:3-9

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Praise to God for a Living Hope
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7 These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
 
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I said "We are saved by grace alone through faith alone." That means my faith is in Christ alone..not in myself. No one will or can save me or anyone but Christ alone. He is faithful to complete what He began. (Philipians 1:6)
You received salvation by God's good will, Grace.

If a believer is not worthy Of God's good will, Jesus will say i never knew them.
 

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not keeping up. google case for salvation by baptism.

The Salvation the Saves is Spiritual Baptism.

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1 Cor. 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
 

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He his faithful your correct, and anyone's faith is not fulfilled untill this is complete in the believer. Only genuine faith receives salvation.

If you can't agree, so be it.

1 Peter 1:3-9

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Praise to God for a Living Hope
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7 These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
John 5:24 BSB
Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life.
 

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You received salvation by God's good will, Grace.

If a believer is not worthy Of God's good will, Jesus will say i never knew them.
I'm not worthy. That's the essence of grace... unmerited favor.
Even Paul considers himself unworthy...
1 Corinthians 15:9 BSB
For I am the least of the apostles and am unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
 
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I'm not worthy. That's the essence of grace... unmerited favor.
Even Paul considers himself unworthy...
1 Corinthians 15:9 BSB
For I am the least of the apostles and am unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
you still have to be given
Salvation by God's good will, just because your not worthy or what ever, salvation still has to given To any person.

And any faith must be genuine and be tried by fire
 
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The Salvation the Saves is Spiritual Baptism.

NASB 1995
1 Cor. 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
the completion of salvation is being resurrected in Christ.

Not one persons salvation is completed until they are resurrected in Christ
 
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Luke 17:10
you, when you have done all those things which you are commanded, say,
'We are unprofitable servants.
We have done what was our duty to do.'
Repeating scriptures is the easy part, doing is another.

And mostly the four Gospels are spoken to the apostles, who all gave up there life's for the lord.

But what happens with a lot of people is they take the apostles confidence as there own.

It Is the same for all theese people who think they must be an Israelite,

Or they must be from the line of Juda.

So many people who want to be someone, else or try to,

Then there's the people who follow the crowd and general opinion, worshiping the sound of there own voice.


The truth is The Holy Spirit baptises you in water 😊
 

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what happens with a lot of people is they take the apostles confidence as there own.
it's commanded.

Hebrews 3:5-6
And Moses indeed [was] faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken [afterward,] but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

Hebrews 3:14
For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end
 
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it's commanded.

Hebrews 3:5-6
And Moses indeed [was] faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken [afterward,] but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

Hebrews 3:14
For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end
I know the scriptures and I know about being confident. 😊

My mentor whom i learned of was angus buchan, after I watched his sermons everyday for a year.

 

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according to scripture believers will Go to hell also.

Because they only believe they have saved themselves.
John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Acts 13:39 - and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

1 John 5:11 - And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

Genuine believers trust in Jesus Christ for salvation and not in themselves and will not go to hell also.
 
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John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Acts 13:39 - and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.

1 John 5:11 - And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

Genuine believers trust in Jesus Christ for salvation and not in themselves and will not go to hell also.
According to scripture your faith must be tried in fire, Because Jesus who is the bread of life even said to sin, that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the lords mouth, and not a man's own logical reasoning 😊
 

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According to scripture your faith must be tried in fire, Because Jesus who is the bread of life even said to sin, that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the lords mouth, and not a man's own logical reasoning 😊
So what Jesus, Paul and John said in John 3:18, Acts 13:39, Romans 1:16 and 1 John 5:11-13 are not true statements according to you? Personally, I believe Jesus, Paul and John, which is not man's own logical reasoning, but scripture. (2 Timothy 3:16)

1 Peter 1:3 - Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, 8 whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9 receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls. - Those with authentic faith.
 
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So what Jesus, Paul and John said in John 3:18, Acts 13:39, Romans 1:16 and 1 John 5:11-13 are not true statements according to you? Personally, I believe Jesus, Paul and John, which is not man's own logical reasoning, but scripture. (2 Timothy 3:16)

1 Peter 1:3 - Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials, 7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ, 8 whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, 9 receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls. - Those with authentic faith.
When I have said any scripture is not true


I personaly like to hear a full sermon, it's not wise to mix scripture with scripture spoken to the apostles for teaching, at different time periods.

It's when interpretation becomes jumbled up.

I have found this for you 😊,

 

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In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7 These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.
this doesn't say faith must be tried in fire.

it says that the particular trials of the people who Peter was writing to were so that their genuineness would be proven, the result of that being proven being praise, glory and honor.
and it says that even though gold is purified by fire, gold still perishes - the implication being that faith is worth far more than gold because it never perishes.
 
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this doesn't say faith must be tried in fire.

it says that the particular trials of the people who Peter was writing to were so that their genuineness would be proven, the result of that being proven being praise, glory and honor.
and it says that even though gold is purified by fire, gold still perishes - the implication being that faith is worth far more than gold because it never perishes.
Faith still has to be tested in fire 😊

Peter 1:7



7 These trials will show that your faith is genuine. It is being tested as fire tests and purifies gold—though your faith is far more precious than mere gold. So when your faith remains strong through many trials, it will bring you much praise and glory and honor on the day when Jesus Christ is revealed to the whole world.