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GW means God's Word.
God keeps His promises, but verses indicating that the promise of salvation is conditional
upon continuing repentance/saving faith include the sour 16:
MT 10:22, “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”
RM 11:22, “Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.”
1CR 15:2, “By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.”
GL 5:4, “You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”
CL 1:22-23, “But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.”
2THS 1:4-5, “Therefore, among God’s churches we boast about your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring. All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering.”
2TM 2:12, “If we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;”
HB 3:6&14, “But Christ is faithful as a son over God’s house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast… We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.”
HB 6:4-6, “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.”
HB 10:26-36, “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God… So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.”
JM 1:12, “Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.”
2PT 1:10-11, “Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”
2PT 2:20, “If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.”
1JN 2:24-25, “See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.”
JUDE 21, “Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.”
RV 2:10, “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.”
God keeps His promises, but verses indicating that the promise of salvation is conditional
upon continuing repentance/saving faith include the sour 16:
MT 10:22, “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”
RM 11:22, “Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.”
1CR 15:2, “By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.”
GL 5:4, “You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”
CL 1:22-23, “But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.”
2THS 1:4-5, “Therefore, among God’s churches we boast about your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring. All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering.”
2TM 2:12, “If we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;”
HB 3:6&14, “But Christ is faithful as a son over God’s house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast… We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.”
HB 6:4-6, “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.”
HB 10:26-36, “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God… So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.”
JM 1:12, “Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.”
2PT 1:10-11, “Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”
2PT 2:20, “If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.”
1JN 2:24-25, “See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.”
JUDE 21, “Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.”
RV 2:10, “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.”
then we have conditional life. not eternal life
in fact. everythign Jesus said in john 1, john 3, John 4 John 5 and John 6 is nonsensical. because non of it matters.
you want to try to merit salvation, i guess feel free.
i will keep my faith in God not self.
I will never meet Gods standard.. I will always depend on his grace. If I died to day and God sent me where I deserve I would be in hell
as a friend of mine says, any day I wake up and I am not in hell is a good day. because that is where i deserve to be
in fact. everythign Jesus said in john 1, john 3, John 4 John 5 and John 6 is nonsensical. because non of it matters.
you want to try to merit salvation, i guess feel free.
i will keep my faith in God not self.
I will never meet Gods standard.. I will always depend on his grace. If I died to day and God sent me where I deserve I would be in hell
as a friend of mine says, any day I wake up and I am not in hell is a good day. because that is where i deserve to be
We have both conditional life and eternal life, from conversion to forever (Rom. 1:17).
(One element of logic you lack is both-and thinking :^)
The reason GW matters is because GRFS is both conditional and eternal.
Volition does not mean we can merit salvation. A passage teaching this truth is Colossians 2:6-7: “Just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord [kerygma], continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught [didache].” There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace while walking/living (Eph. 2:8-10, 2Cor. 5:7, Rom. 1:17), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime.
(One element of logic you lack is both-and thinking :^)
The reason GW matters is because GRFS is both conditional and eternal.
Volition does not mean we can merit salvation. A passage teaching this truth is Colossians 2:6-7: “Just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord [kerygma], continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught [didache].” There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace while walking/living (Eph. 2:8-10, 2Cor. 5:7, Rom. 1:17), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime.
To believe God Father in Son as risen where I see the new life in Father's Spirit and Truth gets given (John 4:23-24)
Next, as the Angels of God rejoice over just one person who turns to believe God and not self or others any longer as did and got deeply upset seeing it, happening the evil that masquerades as good and is not at all good, yet appears as is. Discernment of the truth is only delivered by God to Each person personally, between God and them. These, see Matt 10:16-20 deeply, deeper that just then, when that day came up for the Apostles then. Happens to us all presently still.
Yes, anyone can do 1 Cor 13:1-3 and struggle with verses 4-7, not seeing 8-12 that it can be left behind them in others glorying over them doing those gifts, as what happens in Earth Churches presently. moving on to verse 13 Thank you Daddy!
When Daddy, PaPa, Father reveals to whoever Father delivers truth to, will see people in reality and know, they see or not yet see the entire truth given us in risen Son as Done (John 19:30) for us to simply walk new without having to anymore, now choosing to daily, just doing all in Love and mercy as Son did, and as Father had all along from day one in the first Adam's fall.
the Bible, as a whole, a gigantic love story from God Father and Son for us all. Revealed today in all sin now by God taken out of the way by Son at the cross once for all to believe and be thankful (Hebrews 10:10, John 1:29. John 19:30, Matthew 5:17 and there ask in trust to receive the risen ONE for you, who won for us all to be new in his risen Life given, leading us, me at least. The Father in the Holy Spirit to lead, only if one is willing, then will that be, and that is between God and each person personally. It does take a while for each person to begin to grow new in truth as in Hebrews 5:12- chapter 6, tells me anyways. Thanks
Next, as the Angels of God rejoice over just one person who turns to believe God and not self or others any longer as did and got deeply upset seeing it, happening the evil that masquerades as good and is not at all good, yet appears as is. Discernment of the truth is only delivered by God to Each person personally, between God and them. These, see Matt 10:16-20 deeply, deeper that just then, when that day came up for the Apostles then. Happens to us all presently still.
Yes, anyone can do 1 Cor 13:1-3 and struggle with verses 4-7, not seeing 8-12 that it can be left behind them in others glorying over them doing those gifts, as what happens in Earth Churches presently. moving on to verse 13 Thank you Daddy!
When Daddy, PaPa, Father reveals to whoever Father delivers truth to, will see people in reality and know, they see or not yet see the entire truth given us in risen Son as Done (John 19:30) for us to simply walk new without having to anymore, now choosing to daily, just doing all in Love and mercy as Son did, and as Father had all along from day one in the first Adam's fall.
the Bible, as a whole, a gigantic love story from God Father and Son for us all. Revealed today in all sin now by God taken out of the way by Son at the cross once for all to believe and be thankful (Hebrews 10:10, John 1:29. John 19:30, Matthew 5:17 and there ask in trust to receive the risen ONE for you, who won for us all to be new in his risen Life given, leading us, me at least. The Father in the Holy Spirit to lead, only if one is willing, then will that be, and that is between God and each person personally. It does take a while for each person to begin to grow new in truth as in Hebrews 5:12- chapter 6, tells me anyways. Thanks
Interesting thread... and I found it in the back pages cuz I wondered if I'd even posted there, and it shows
that I have... or did... just remembering some of the Calvinists, and PHart and Fran and Jack or Rosie...
and the Sabbatarians, my goodness, phoneman outing himself as Satanic, now that was funny.
that I have... or did... just remembering some of the Calvinists, and PHart and Fran and Jack or Rosie...
and the Sabbatarians, my goodness, phoneman outing himself as Satanic, now that was funny.
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