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There is only One Who is authorized to judge. His judgement is mercy for al who believe.
As for observing other' works, fervent, faithful prayer is works. Acting upon the gift of faith is also.. Love is works in every aspect thereof, and it is a joy to share when give to do so.
So bickering over works is moot for all who are humble in the faith, and not to be judged by any other than our blessed Savior. You said it alread, but I had thought to reply about this when I read your post, God bless you always in Jesus, Yeshua, amen.
As for observing other' works, fervent, faithful prayer is works. Acting upon the gift of faith is also.. Love is works in every aspect thereof, and it is a joy to share when give to do so.
So bickering over works is moot for all who are humble in the faith, and not to be judged by any other than our blessed Savior. You said it alread, but I had thought to reply about this when I read your post, God bless you always in Jesus, Yeshua, amen.
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Re "we are all growing and even truly born-again believers can change our position on some of these issues. We really shouldn't let these things divide us the way they do to the point we are just two gangs going at each other in a nonstop loop/holding pattern never growing closer to each other or to God and doing nothing at all to glorify Him at all.": Amen, and that is my main concern as I participate on CC. It is interesting that my testimony runs in the opposite direction from yours: raised from infancy to be Christian and never rebelling, but also taught OSAS and coming to understand that MFW is the better harmonization of Scripture than TULIP.
You are correct but I am talking about those making a claim to be saved, not to being a prodigal.
Once we claim to be saved immediately by all types of people we begin being watched to see if there's a real sincere change in our actions and behavior. It just happens whether someone is trying to or not trying to judge.
Once we claim to be saved immediately by all types of people we begin being watched to see if there's a real sincere change in our actions and behavior. It just happens whether someone is trying to or not trying to judge.
You can not judge a person or determine what works they have, nor has God demanded you do this.
Not everyone changes overnight. Paul spoke to a whole church of baby Christians, who still struggled with all kinds of sin.
if God saved you. You can be assured. he who began that work will complete it.
Not everyone changes overnight. Paul spoke to a whole church of baby Christians, who still struggled with all kinds of sin.
if God saved you. You can be assured. he who began that work will complete it.
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Doing the works God leads us to do like feeling we should help someone or suddenly get a specific number thought to how much money we should give doesn't mean anyone is perfect. It means a person is truly converted and serving God and He is able to use them as a way for Him to help others.
When I am led by God to help it's not actually me doing it even though it looks like it is me. It's God doing it but He's able to do it through me or those truly saved. But none of that makes a person perfect. It makes them applicable to do God's Will.
When I am led by God to help it's not actually me doing it even though it looks like it is me. It's God doing it but He's able to do it through me or those truly saved. But none of that makes a person perfect. It makes them applicable to do God's Will.
lrs68 said:
Doing the works God leads us to do like feeling we should help someone or suddenly get a specific number thought to how much money we should give doesn't mean anyone is perfect. It means a person is truly converted and serving God and He is able to use them as a way for Him to help others.
When I am led by God to help it's not actually me doing it even though it looks like it is me. It's God doing it but He's able to do it through me or those truly saved. But none of that makes a person perfect. It makes them applicable to do God's Will.
Sorry for my finger getting out of hand.
Your description of our Father in Heaven using us is great. It is after we have been uded as instruments we realize a miracle has occurred. He does all of the work, while we simply avail ourselves to Him as tools. When the usage is complete the tool is just as amazed as the recipient.
Doing the works God leads us to do like feeling we should help someone or suddenly get a specific number thought to how much money we should give doesn't mean anyone is perfect. It means a person is truly converted and serving God and He is able to use them as a way for Him to help others.
When I am led by God to help it's not actually me doing it even though it looks like it is me. It's God doing it but He's able to do it through me or those truly saved. But none of that makes a person perfect. It makes them applicable to do God's Will.
Sorry for my finger getting out of hand.
Your description of our Father in Heaven using us is great. It is after we have been uded as instruments we realize a miracle has occurred. He does all of the work, while we simply avail ourselves to Him as tools. When the usage is complete the tool is just as amazed as the recipient.
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Matthew 13:24-30
The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares
24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”
The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares
24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”
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