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Jimbo...out of love, I suggest you stop listening to television preachers and anyone who is part of the word of faith movement.
.they have demonic activity all around them and too much false doctrines to fill your head with.
Try just reading or listening to an audio bible,music and praying.
.you don't need preachers...listen to the Holy spirit as you read the bible instead for a month or two and see if it helps.
I had to do that myself because everyone kept telling me what God said...I needed to hear what God said for real without their comments.
.they have demonic activity all around them and too much false doctrines to fill your head with.
Try just reading or listening to an audio bible,music and praying.
.you don't need preachers...listen to the Holy spirit as you read the bible instead for a month or two and see if it helps.
I had to do that myself because everyone kept telling me what God said...I needed to hear what God said for real without their comments.
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Jim, I hope I can speak for Bill as well as myself, we do not hate people.
There are a lot of people here who have some very troubling backgrounds, and it creates
some interesting reactions, which with a less varied background would be taken as a problem
or an issue, but here, the is a large place for venting and just letting it rip.
There is a picture of my daughter on my shoulders aged 6 wanting to kill me, which was very
theraputic because at her age she could not do much harm, but she could learn to feel what
it is like and not get scared. At our age, things are somewhat different, and maybe wires get
crossed and things miss-read.
One great thing about the Lord is He helps our hearts grow, and to learn to love despite lots of
unexpected responses. Take Stephen in front of the Sanhedren. He just wanted to testify to the
Lord, their reaction did not matter so much as the testimony given. We still talk about it 2000 years
later. Now that is love at work, the word spoken despite the reaction, and love extended with
forgiveness even though death comes about, which Saul was a witness to.
Now the anger expressed by some, I do wonder at, what is really going on, and what generates this
level of response, but the Lord is good when we bring it to the cross.
There are a lot of people here who have some very troubling backgrounds, and it creates
some interesting reactions, which with a less varied background would be taken as a problem
or an issue, but here, the is a large place for venting and just letting it rip.
There is a picture of my daughter on my shoulders aged 6 wanting to kill me, which was very
theraputic because at her age she could not do much harm, but she could learn to feel what
it is like and not get scared. At our age, things are somewhat different, and maybe wires get
crossed and things miss-read.
One great thing about the Lord is He helps our hearts grow, and to learn to love despite lots of
unexpected responses. Take Stephen in front of the Sanhedren. He just wanted to testify to the
Lord, their reaction did not matter so much as the testimony given. We still talk about it 2000 years
later. Now that is love at work, the word spoken despite the reaction, and love extended with
forgiveness even though death comes about, which Saul was a witness to.
Now the anger expressed by some, I do wonder at, what is really going on, and what generates this
level of response, but the Lord is good when we bring it to the cross.
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We can pray and God sends His angels to get rid of them. We just wait and endure until they are sent packing. The Holy spirit helps us tear down spiritual strongholds.
We also need to take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.
2 Corinthians 10:5New International Version (NIV)
5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
We also need to take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.
2 Corinthians 10:5New International Version (NIV)
5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.
I did find it surprising the reactions I got to saying Jesus died for our sins on the cross, but to be
saved we still had to apply this deed to our lives.
A lot of people do not like this idea, that salvation depends on something we
do. But thank you for pointing out another example of faith in action. The blood of
the lamb had to be applied to the door posts to bring protection against judgement,
exercising of faith. Amen.
In fact for saying this I was accused of adding to faith saving, rather than an action
proves ones faith, and without this forgiveness of sins is not applied.
saved we still had to apply this deed to our lives.
A lot of people do not like this idea, that salvation depends on something we
do. But thank you for pointing out another example of faith in action. The blood of
the lamb had to be applied to the door posts to bring protection against judgement,
exercising of faith. Amen.
In fact for saying this I was accused of adding to faith saving, rather than an action
proves ones faith, and without this forgiveness of sins is not applied.
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Originally Posted by BillG
Jimbo my fine friend, I hope all is well with you.
Jesus died on the cross. Whilst on the cross all the sins that man will ever do were laid on him.
It started with Adam, wanting to become like God, be his own God as such.
John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
So for those that believe will be saved.
God did not remove the sin in the world. That will only happen when he calls time.
So the whole sins of the world were laid on Jesus at the cross.
That has to be true otherwise no one could be saved if they were not.
So forgiveness of sins is for everyone but not everyone will believe in Jesus.
Only one sin is not forgiven.
Rejecting Jesus and what he did on the cross.
Jimbo my fine friend, I hope all is well with you.
Jesus died on the cross. Whilst on the cross all the sins that man will ever do were laid on him.
It started with Adam, wanting to become like God, be his own God as such.
John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
So for those that believe will be saved.
God did not remove the sin in the world. That will only happen when he calls time.
So the whole sins of the world were laid on Jesus at the cross.
That has to be true otherwise no one could be saved if they were not.
So forgiveness of sins is for everyone but not everyone will believe in Jesus.
Only one sin is not forgiven.
Rejecting Jesus and what he did on the cross.
absolute rubish billy lad all i can say is your brain washed... billy you need to wake up ... sin is sin no matter what you say to me the proof in the pudding is when one becomes welll mannered...........
which is evidently hard for you to maintain when you suffer with anxiety ,,,,, how ever billy mate you dont know the stuff ive seen and what i know people can still be cursed from God in this day... which i can show you if you want
which is evidently hard for you to maintain when you suffer with anxiety ,,,,, how ever billy mate you dont know the stuff ive seen and what i know people can still be cursed from God in this day... which i can show you if you want
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I replied to my thoughts to what DC was saying and in my opinion correctly that the whole sins of the world were placed on Jesus on the cross, to which you were questioning.
For some reason you responded differently to me than you did DC. And then you went at me.
For some reason you attacked my my post concerning my anxiety and used it against me.
I said I had no idea why you posted what you did and then you attacked me more and continued to do so.
That is why I got upset.
I feel that I have come alongside you and you posted a PM that I sent but you made it sound that it was you coming to me.
When in fact it was me coeming to you because you were reacting like you were above and I wanted to reassure you.
You have re-edited your above post to defend yourself and that is wrong.
I want to apologise for calling you a twat and saying that you pissed me off.
That was not loving or kind and I ask that you forgive me.
For the sake of this thread let's set it aside. Maybe we just need to not respond to each other.
Just so you know I don't hate you. I actually love you that's why I have always engaged with you and said it's ok to disagree.
Anyway Jimbo my friend, much love a grace to you.
Jim, it is not wrong to be gripped by different emotions, they are just part of the human
experience. The problem comes when we take them seriously and do something because
of them.
We are not defined by what we feel, that is us reacting, we are defined by the actions
that flow from us, which is our response, chosen and deliberate. Too few have learnt the
difference between the two.
experience. The problem comes when we take them seriously and do something because
of them.
We are not defined by what we feel, that is us reacting, we are defined by the actions
that flow from us, which is our response, chosen and deliberate. Too few have learnt the
difference between the two.
I replied to my thoughts to what DC was saying and in my opinion correctly that the whole sins of the world were placed on Jesus on the cross, to which you were questioning.
For some reason you responded differently to me than you did DC. And then you went at me.
For some reason you attacked my my post concerning my anxiety and used it against me.
I said I had no idea why you posted what you did and then you attacked me more and continued to do so.
That is why I got upset.
I feel that I have come alongside you and you posted a PM that I sent but you made it sound that it was you coming to me.
When in fact it was me coeming to you because you were reacting like you were above and I wanted to reassure you.
You have re-edited your above post to defend yourself and that is wrong.
I want to apologise for calling you a twat and saying that you pissed me off.
That was not loving or kind and I ask that you forgive me.
For the sake of this thread let's set it aside. Maybe we just need to not respond to each other.
Just so you know I don't hate you. I actually love you that's why I have always engaged with you and said it's ok to disagree.
Anyway Jimbo my friend, much love a grace to you.
[/QUOTE]he may have took the sins of the world but he most certainly didnt keep them...... may god bless you to...
and may i add if you believe he did keep them then you are brain washed in my book and its as simple as that and not an insult..
thats just another episode of your so called friends,,,, the episode that tries to make others look bad....
For some reason you responded differently to me than you did DC. And then you went at me.
For some reason you attacked my my post concerning my anxiety and used it against me.
I said I had no idea why you posted what you did and then you attacked me more and continued to do so.
That is why I got upset.
I feel that I have come alongside you and you posted a PM that I sent but you made it sound that it was you coming to me.
When in fact it was me coeming to you because you were reacting like you were above and I wanted to reassure you.
You have re-edited your above post to defend yourself and that is wrong.
I want to apologise for calling you a twat and saying that you pissed me off.
That was not loving or kind and I ask that you forgive me.
For the sake of this thread let's set it aside. Maybe we just need to not respond to each other.
Just so you know I don't hate you. I actually love you that's why I have always engaged with you and said it's ok to disagree.
Anyway Jimbo my friend, much love a grace to you.
[/QUOTE]he may have took the sins of the world but he most certainly didnt keep them...... may god bless you to...
and may i add if you believe he did keep them then you are brain washed in my book and its as simple as that and not an insult..
thats just another episode of your so called friends,,,, the episode that tries to make others look bad....
By the way, I found my daughter having a rage very funny.
It was because of some unknown trigger, but being in a safe place where
you can learn the limits of these feelings is very healthy.
Our emotional lives are odd. If you do not let some feelings out, they lie
buried and do a lot of harm in ways you do not understand or know.
I have met many very shy, retiring people who are actually raging piles of
feelings which they never let out, and dominate most of their lives. It is like
having a lion in a cage, and they get very afraid of what might happen if they
let it out, when actually the answer is, just a lot of emotion.
Jesus came to heal us and free us from situations like this so we can really feel
and not be afraid anymore.
It was because of some unknown trigger, but being in a safe place where
you can learn the limits of these feelings is very healthy.
Our emotional lives are odd. If you do not let some feelings out, they lie
buried and do a lot of harm in ways you do not understand or know.
I have met many very shy, retiring people who are actually raging piles of
feelings which they never let out, and dominate most of their lives. It is like
having a lion in a cage, and they get very afraid of what might happen if they
let it out, when actually the answer is, just a lot of emotion.
Jesus came to heal us and free us from situations like this so we can really feel
and not be afraid anymore.
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I don't know if my kids actually hit me and I asked them if they meant what they said..if they actually wanted me to die or leave them....they would repent and say "no we love you mom"
It's part of teaching our kids to tame their tongues and change their hearts to reflect God's glory and not indulge in the flesh.
Temper tantrums happen,but we should not smile and encourage them.
We should encourage kids to express their emotions in less destructive ways,
It's part of teaching our kids to tame their tongues and change their hearts to reflect God's glory and not indulge in the flesh.
Temper tantrums happen,but we should not smile and encourage them.
We should encourage kids to express their emotions in less destructive ways,
8) Scripture teaches that behavior is an important test of faith. Obedience is evidence that one’s faith is genuine (1 John 2:3). If a person remains unwilling to obey Christ, he provides evidence that his “faith” is in name only (1 John 2:4). A person may claim Jesus as Savior and pretend to obey for a while, but, if there is no heart change, his true nature will eventually manifest itself. This was the case for Judas Iscariot.
9) Genuine believers may stumble and fall, but they will persevere in the faith (1 Corinthians 1:8). This was the case for Simon Peter. A “believer” who completely turns away from the Lord plainly shows that he was never born again to begin with (1 John 2:19).
Let's not forget that genuine believers can fall away, & eventually lose everything.
That was the purpose of the parable of the fig tree.
9) Genuine believers may stumble and fall, but they will persevere in the faith (1 Corinthians 1:8). This was the case for Simon Peter. A “believer” who completely turns away from the Lord plainly shows that he was never born again to begin with (1 John 2:19).
Let's not forget that genuine believers can fall away, & eventually lose everything.
That was the purpose of the parable of the fig tree.
Because I had said something, or refused to do something she wanted.
Have you never experienced a temper tantrum of a youngster?
Sometimes kids will lie on the floor and just let it rip because they want their
way and they will let everyone know?
Now for those who repress and believe any display of anger is evil, me saying this
is the worst crime everrrrrr. But it is not.
And my kids are the most social well balanced people you could imagine.
This 6 year old is now a student physio therapist who can reach out and help
people is places that would break my heart.
We talked about this a few days ago, and she related a situation when a child she
was holding scratched her with all their might, and she reacted instinctively to push
the child away and then checked this to keep the child safe and slowly put them
down. This waring of reactions and feelings is powerful stuff when you have control,
and is such freedom to know you love despite difficulties.
Have you never experienced a temper tantrum of a youngster?
Sometimes kids will lie on the floor and just let it rip because they want their
way and they will let everyone know?
Now for those who repress and believe any display of anger is evil, me saying this
is the worst crime everrrrrr. But it is not.
And my kids are the most social well balanced people you could imagine.
This 6 year old is now a student physio therapist who can reach out and help
people is places that would break my heart.
We talked about this a few days ago, and she related a situation when a child she
was holding scratched her with all their might, and she reacted instinctively to push
the child away and then checked this to keep the child safe and slowly put them
down. This waring of reactions and feelings is powerful stuff when you have control,
and is such freedom to know you love despite difficulties.