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Ariel82

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You will never say who does the circle talking because you don't think any of them do.

This sounds like useless fluff to me.
Yes I do. I tell folks who do it directly when they do it.

Like what substance do your response currently have? Is it useless fluff?
 
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The problem with "don't worry about sin", is its direct relationship with "don't worry about repentance".

That crosses the line.
Repentance is not a singular event, right? Is it possible that once you have truly repented of a particular SIN , that SIN does not have dominion over you or entangles you anymore ?

I have not stolen or coveted in decades...that particular SIN no longer has dominion over me, and I have repented from it totally.

How did I repent from it? I renewed my mind to God's word, so my mind would match my spirit, which enabled me to crucify the flesh to this particular SIN.

So I do not ever worry about the SIN of coveting or stealing...

Now apply that to XXXX SIN and this is how we become overcomes of SIN now, not later.
 
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Not bothered by sin means that sin doesn't control you, you aren't scared of going to hell because you know how much God loves you.

You aren't your past mistakes, you are the person God is making you to become.

God chastens you when you feed your flesh and indulge in who you used to be instead of cutting out the tunores and learning to live a new life in Him.

Why is that so hard to grasp?

Sometimes I think it's semantics and sometimes I wonder if some folks are never chastened and aren't true kids of God?

Only God really knows who are His kids.
Exactly.........and I don't recall using the word BOTHERED......see how he embellishes.....NO LONGER AN ISSUE IN A BELIEVER........

The HOLY SPIRIT convicts of SIN WHY........BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE NOT ON ME<------THIS totally gets swept under the table by the workers for wh have to rely on sin as their go to loss of salvation means......makes me want to spew!
 
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JoDei, the concept of unconditional love is foreign to the world and can't be explained only experienced. Agape love is a blessing from God and it's what God asks us to share with others.
Agape is not unconditional love...unconditional love is a human term , not a Spiritual term....

Perfect love is a spiritual term and perfect agape love is love that seeks not even an EXPECTATION of a return.

When we are able to love like this, we love as Christ loved the church...
 
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Ariel82

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This is Perfectly illustrated in John 13.10-11

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Jesus replied, “A person who has bathed all over does not need to wash, except for the feet, to be entirely clean. And you disciples are clean, but not all of you.” [SUP]11 [/SUP]For Jesus knew who would betray him. That is what he meant when he said, “Not all of you are clean.”
Amen.

Well train ride is over going to the Science Museum in Raleigh with kids. Hope you all have a blessed day.
 
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Ariel82

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Agape is not unconditional love...unconditional love is a human term , not a Spiritual term....

Perfect love is a spiritual term and perfect agape love is love that seeks not even an EXPECTATION of a return.

When we are able to love like this, we love as Christ loved the church...
Perhaps you can define what you think Agape love means?
 
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Not bothered by sin means that sin doesn't control you, you aren't scared of going to hell because you know how much God loves you.

You aren't your past mistakes, you are the person God is making you to become.

God chastens you when you feed your flesh and indulge in who you used to be instead of cutting out the tunores and learning to live a new life in Him.

Why is that so hard to grasp?

Sometimes I think it's semantics and sometimes I wonder if some folks are never chastened and aren't true kids of God?

Only God really knows who are His kids.
Here we go again.....
First, you always use "past", yet you believe present & future sins are already covered.

Those that believe this don't believe in conviction after salvation.

Conviction is God's only method of chastening.
And there you go..... folks stating they believe in chastisement when they really don't.

I think we need to end this little talk because I don't like talking to defense attorneys for the guilty.:rolleyes:
 
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It's easy to say "I believe in what Jesus did for me", & "Jesus is the only savior", & I'm saved by grace thru faith,

And with every single phrase the meanings have been changed.

A false grace, a false faith, a false repentance, false conviction, & finally, a one-time acceptance of a false Jesus with lack of obedience following, something our Master would never put up with.

After all that, they say, "I believe the same way you do".

Yeah, right.

The Lord I serve wouldn't say "don't worry about sin, it's taken care of".

He wouldn't tell us "conviction is no more".

The more they claim to know, the more they don't know.

The more they claim to believe the scriptures, the more scripture they avoid that speaks the truth.

They'll harp on one verse, while ignoring 20 or more that counters their false doctrine.

It is well said that those that don't know the Word don't know God.
The Lord I serve says he will remember my sin no more and has separated my SIN as far as the east is from the west....The Lord I serve says at conversion I become a new man, and the old man has died...I still have to transform my mind and do my part, but my SIN is forgotten....

God does not remember our SIN, when we confess, ask forgiveness and finally and totally repent from it....

The only one that wants us to remember our SIN, especially past confessed, forgiven and repented of SIN is Satan himself....

SIN-Consciousness doctrine has kept the church in bondage since Paul's day.......

God does not remember your SIN, so why do you?
 
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Perhaps you can define what you think Agape love means?
Seems unconditional to me.....It is NOT that we loved HIM, but that HE LOVED US AND GAVE HIMSELF for US......

if that is not unconditional.....then what is......!
 
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Ariel82

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Here we go again.....
First, you always use "past", yet you believe present & future sins are already covered.

Those that believe this don't believe in conviction after salvation.

Conviction is God's only method of chastening.
And there you go..... folks stating they believe in chastisement when they really don't.

I think we need to end this little talk because I don't like talking to defense attorneys for the guilty.:rolleyes:
That is where you are wrong to an extant.

I believe present sins affect your walk with God and future sins problems for another day. Enough is the evil of today.

God will forgive you if you repent, but first He will chastens you.

If you don't repent, God will address your sins and show you how you hurt yourself and those around you.

I believe the blood of Jesus is the "payment" for sins but it doesn't apply into person's life unless they repent (turn from their sins and renew their mind with God's truth.)

You should stop making assumptions of what I and others believe.

10 more minutes on the train.,,
 
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Not bothered by sin means that sin doesn't control you, you aren't scared of going to hell because you know how much God loves you.
You aren't your past mistakes, you are the person God is making you to become.
God chastens you when you feed your flesh and indulge in who you used to be instead of cutting out the tunores and learning to live a new life in Him.
Why is that so hard to grasp?
Sometimes I think it's semantics and sometimes I wonder if some folks are never chastened and aren't true kids of God?
Only God really knows who are His kids.
If people say "I cannot read the sermon on the mount, it was said just to show how big
a failure people are, not to build a house on"

Are they not in rebellion against Jesus and His intent and word?

After 2 years the same people still cannot get over this reality, or even face it as possibly
being true.

I have not see one good argument about this to support their position. Rather the opposite.

Walking in evil behaviour. Some say focusing behaviour is wrong, we should focus on Jesus,
yet the reality is focusing on Jesus is focusing on behaviour. What they appear to be saying
is sins should be ignored, even when blatant.

They will say, yes I am redeemed but I am an inevitable slave to sin. Again this is a contradiction
with the work of the Spirit in our lives. What impossible sin are we talking about?

Anger for instance. The interesting thing about anger, is if you try and tame the beast it tames
you. You have to let it out, and find out where it is coming from. Resolve the source, the teenage
rebellion, and throwing off others expectations, and knowing God loves love, puts it in its place.

But continue to tame it, and you panda to its legitimacy, rather than finding why anger has been
buried for so so so so so long. For me it was rejection in the family, wanting to be understood,
things failing which should have worked, plans and communications being let down. But now I am
content in what I have and the great blessing God has given me. "I have rights you know, do not
tread on my toes, you ****** " now that is pride, which leads to anger. But God can truly resolve
everything, because the cross levels it all, Amen.
 
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Ariel82

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If you don't like talking to "defense attorneys for the guilty" how do you converse with Jesus?

He is our advocate to a much higher and just judge.
 
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Exactly.........and I don't recall using the word BOTHERED......see how he embellishes.....NO LONGER AN ISSUE IN A BELIEVER........

The HOLY SPIRIT convicts of SIN WHY........BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE NOT ON ME<------THIS totally gets swept under the table by the workers for wh have to rely on sin as their go to loss of salvation means......makes me want to spew!
And there you go..... quoting scriptures that speak of conviction of sinners, & not christians!

Don't you know the difference?

If you need to spew, do it on your floor instead of the thread!
 
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If you don't like talking to "defense attorneys for the guilty" how do you converse with Jesus?

He is our advocate to a much higher and just judge.
AMEN to that.........excellent reply.....he does not need Jesus remember....he initially believed and now saves himself through works and religious hoop jumping......!
 
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And there you go..... quoting scriptures that speak of conviction of sinners, & not christians!

Don't you know the difference?

If you need to spew, do it on your floor instead of the thread!
Thanks for proving that you totally miss the point of the scripture and HOW it applies unto believers.....more religious hoops from you...like normal.....and I do not recall addressing you so...why do you feel the need to address me......go back to talking about me behind my back...I like that better....serious!
 
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That is where you are wrong to an extant.

I believe present sins affect your walk with God and future sins problems for another day. Enough is the evil of today.

God will forgive you if you repent, but first He will chastens you.

If you don't repent, God will address your sins and show you how you hurt yourself and those around you.

I believe the blood of Jesus is the "payment" for sins but it doesn't apply into person's life unless they repent (turn from their sins and renew their mind with God's truth.)

You should stop making assumptions of what I and others believe.

10 more minutes on the train.,,
Those aren't assumptions.....

You cant possibly believe what you just said & run with those that don't.

You believe what they believe, because every time they post what they believe, you put your big "LIKE" on them.

What idiot would put their "like" on a SDA post if they didn't believe it?

Your actions give you away.
 
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Here we go again.....
First, you always use "past", yet you believe present & future sins are already covered.

Those that believe this don't believe in conviction after salvation.

Conviction is God's only method of chastening.
And there you go..... folks stating they believe in chastisement when they really don't.

I think we need to end this little talk because I don't like talking to defense attorneys for the guilty.:rolleyes:
I certainly do believe my present and future sins are covered. However, I do confess and ask forgiveness when I do SIN....

I also believe in Holy Spirit conviction, but not of my SIN...I am no longer a sinner and do believe in him [Jesus]

Because I am a saint, I am now convicted of the Holy Spirit when I am not abiding in my credited position of righteousness or not abiding in practical righteousness....

John 16.7-11 shows us this...

[SUP]7 [/SUP]But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; [SUP]9 [/SUP]concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; [SUP]10 [/SUP]and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; [SUP]11 [/SUP]and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.
 
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If you don't like talking to "defense attorneys for the guilty" how do you converse with Jesus?

He is our advocate to a much higher and just judge.
Jesus is an advocate for the righteous, not the deceivers.

B I G difference.
 
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Thanks for proving that you totally miss the point of the scripture and HOW it applies unto believers.....more religious hoops from you...like normal.....and I do not recall addressing you so...why do you feel the need to address me......go back to talking about me behind my back...I like that better....serious!
I always tell you to your face.

Your Semper Fi means nothing to me, neither do your rantings.

NOTHING.