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Serk

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Magenta said:
You are quite mistaken if you think science examines the supernatural. Science examines and attempts to understand and explain the natural world. You believe the stories that are told while saying you believe based on facts as if facts are never misinterpreted.
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That’s right humans can only examine the natural world. Now you can stop thinking some other humans know something more.
 
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Serk said:
That’s right humans can only examine the natural world. Now you can stop thinking some other humans know something more.
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Since you like evidence and facts, how can you draw accurate conclusions without all the facts? Do you know everything knowable? Maybe God exists in where you have yet to explore.
 
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Sipsey said:
Since you like evidence and facts, how can you draw accurate conclusions without all the facts?
Do you know everything knowable? Maybe God exists in where you have yet to explore.
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Obviously he does not know everything knowable, believes people cannot know things he does not, while reading what scientists say because he wants to learn what they know. So he is full of contradictions, and expresses his opinion while wanting us to believes he has provided evidence when he has not. In other words, we have a very confused individual in our midst.
 
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Magenta said:
No it is not. You simply made a few assertions devoid of any evidence.

In other words, your opinion.
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The fossil record isn’t an opinion. It’s evidence when certain life existed and died.
 
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Serk said:
The fossil record isn’t an opinion. It’s evidence when certain life existed and died.
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You did not provide any fossil record. You simply stated your opinion regarding it. Your opinion is not evidence of the fossil record.
 
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Serk

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Sipsey said:
Since you like evidence and facts, how can you draw accurate conclusions without all the facts? Do you know everything knowable? Maybe God exists in where you have yet to explore.
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I stated a fact. Life existed and died before humans come on the scene. The fossil record shows this.
 
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Serk

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Magenta said:
You did not provide any fossil record. You simply stated your opinion regarding it. Your opinion is not evidence of the fossil record.
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The fossil record is not my opinion. It’s evidence when certain life existed and died. Humans come later in the record.
 
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Serk said:
The fossil record is the evidence.
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There's an important adjunct to the fossil record that you have not mentioned, but which is absolutely critical to its use as evidence for anything: a timeline. Fossils don't come with a timeline; all they show is that creatures that once existed are now dead, and their remains preserved in rocks.

By the comments you've made, it appears that you assume the timeline offered by secular scientists. That timeline is rooted in the exclusion of any possible divine intervention. That's not science; it's bias.
 
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Serk said:
The fossil record is not my opinion. It’s evidence when certain life existed and died. Humans come later in the record.
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You did not provide the fossil record. Your lack of intelligence is rather telling if you
equate your opinion regarding the fossil record with evidence of the fossil record.

You present logical fallacies but probably think you are more logical than believers.

So typical.
 
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notmyown said:
never looked at the fossil record. i deny what you stated in your OP, your interpretation of these things things.

Because of this, just as sin entered into the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death passed to all men, because all sinned. (Romans 5:12)

that's the truth.
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“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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Serk said:
The fossil record isn’t an opinion. It’s evidence when certain life existed and died.
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No, it is evidence that formerly-living creatures are now dead, and (based on the law of superposition) that certain individuals died before other individuals.

You are taking an ounce of evidence and making a ton of assertions, with the difference being made up by assumptions.
 
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Dino246 said:
There's an important adjunct to the fossil record that you have not mentioned, but which is absolutely critical to its use as evidence for anything: a timeline. Fossils don't come with a timeline; all they show is that creatures that once existed are now dead, and their remains preserved in rocks.

By the comments you've made, it appears that you assume the timeline offered by secular scientists. That timeline is rooted in the exclusion of any possible divine intervention. That's not science; it's bias.
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“all they show is that creatures that once existed are now dead” Which shows death existed before humans.
 
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Serk said:
“all they show is that creatures that once existed are now dead” Which shows death existed before humans.
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No, it doesn't. You're imposing an assumed timeline.
 
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Dino246 said:
No, it doesn't. You're imposing an assumed timeline.
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Not a assumed timeline. That’s why you won’t find humans in the early record. You will however find death existed before humans as the fossil record shows creatures that died before humans.
 
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Serk said:
Not a assumed timeline. That’s why you won’t find humans in the early record. You will however find death existed before humans as the fossil record shows creatures that died before humans.
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The fossil record may indeed tell us that certain individual creatures died before certain individual humans... but it can't tell you more than that. Assertions beyond that require assumptions.

Bear in mind that the conditions for fossilization are very specific... and rare in the natural world.
 
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Serk said:
Humans didn’t bring death into the world. Death existed long before humans existed, the fossil record shows this. So Genesis could never be an accurate representation of reality.
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Yes, many Christians don't believe that God created the cosmos in literal 6 days, but here's your answer right here:

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That's because you are trying to force a conclusion from the Bible that was never the intent from the creation account.

The Bible (specifically Genesis) is not a set of complete creation notes for us to understand "How God created the universe" It never had that intent or purpose. The scriptures contain history but it is not a complete history book nor was it written with that intent.

It has lessons from history that are relevant to understand if you want to have a relationship with YOUR Creator. Otherwise don't bother. But that course of action and intent is highly discouraged by me and others...meaning it's not in your best interests.
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Eli1 said:
Yes, many Christians don't believe that God created the cosmos in literal 6 days, but here's your answer right here:
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Nothing relevant to my post
JohnDB said:
That's because you are trying to force a conclusion from the Bible that was never the intent from the creation account.

The Bible (specifically Genesis) is not a set of complete creation notes for us to understand "How God created the universe" It never had that intent or purpose. The scriptures contain history but it is not a complete history book nor was it written with that intent.

It has lessons from history that are relevant to understand if you want to have a relationship with YOUR Creator. Otherwise don't bother. But that course of action and intent is highly discouraged by me and others...meaning it's not in your best interests.
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The only relationship your having is with fallible humans, that are dead. Who didn’t even know death existed before humans.
 
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