Obedience & righteousness - extreme grace version

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"Its is quite evident you have no understanding of what grace teachers believe.

Your continued attacks against them based on false premise and false accusations are getting to be old and tiring

Can I make a suggestion to you? Go ask a grace believer what he believes, stop listening to men who have led you astray and told you things which are not true about them.

Grace believers are dangerous and force a legalist to admit his sin, Thats why the legalist will make up so many things against a grace believer.


Just like the grace of God wil force them to hide sins, Wash down the law. Or ignore sin altogether, Because it forces them to be the publican, WHo continues to know he is unworthy, and will walk in that mindset, Always thankfull for the grace f God, which gives him the ability to be gratefull for th eone who saved them, and walk in a way worthy of his love."


This sounds forceful but is simply not true. grace7x77 continually posts exactly what extreme grace preachers teach and believe as written in their books. You can go and look them up if you like. To call this lies is simple to lie oneself.

I listened to muslims say the same argument themselves. The Koran does not say or this school of thought does not believe this or that, but actually it did, and they continually lied because they had zero problem with miss-representing their position or worse still, they did not understand their own position and school of thought.

Now knowing this contributor is convinced everything he says is absolute gold, with absolutely no error, saying such extreme things is absolutely no problem. One thing you can be absolutely sure about such absolute believers, is they absolutely make mistakes. But the impression they want to create is they rise above the rest and you are dirt to question their exalted status. It is such a puffed up position, one has to wonder they are not aware of that, at all, especially when they get it so wrong all the time.
 

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There is ample text in the Word supporting that one may lose what he thought he had if he goes back to his own vomit.
It is also touched upon in the Epistles, where it is written there is no hope for a man once having tasted...........etc....
Personally, as one who believes Jesus Christ, I do not like to discuss such matters, just as I do not like to elaborate on the one sin that may or may not be forgiven, that being the blaspheming of the Holy Spirit. I will not discuss this for it is a painful subject to contemplate for any soul. Think on all things beautiful whenever it is possible.
"There is ample text in the Word supporting that one may lose what he thought he had if he goes back to his own vomit.
It is also touched upon in the Epistles, where it is written there is no hope for a man once having tasted...........etc...."

Yes, I agree on this. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think those verses talk about salvation. I believe that it was meant for the unbelievers, those who reject God, those who did not recognize Jesus purpose on earth.

Okay, I won't force you to talk about things that you don't like to discuss. That's fine.

Peace.
 
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grace7x77 continually posts exactly what extreme grace preachers teach and believe as written in their books.
^ So hard to stay gone, when I see crap like this.

faith
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strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.



Try some.
 
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Genesis 20:4-6


But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, LORD, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation?


Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this.


And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.
 
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Just so that there is no mistake....I believe after coming to Christ and acknowledging that I have sin ( 1 John 1:9 ) that we do not need to confess in order to receive forgiveness after that...and we can talk to our Father and Lord about the sins we do ..

I love to acknowledge sin and any wrong doing or wrong beliefs I have about the Father's character.

I acknowledge them ( confess them..IOW say the same thing to God that it is sin and wrong ) all the time..I say " Father that was a sin..that was not who I am in Christ. thank you for the blood of your Son and my Lord Jesus that took away my sin..I thank you that Jesus is my righteousness!..He is my holiness!..I love you!"

The Holy Spirit convicts/convinces me I am the righteousness of God in Him.

1 Corinthians 1:30-31 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

[SUP]31 [/SUP] so that, just as it is written, "LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD."

2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

The gospel is believing in what Christ has already done for us. The righteous shall live by faith. I realize that some people do not believe in this forgiveness and so they are against it and it messes with what their religious traditions taught them. They are entitled to believe what they want.

We can talk to our Lord in whatever manner we want. But I believe we need to honor what His Son has done for us by "confessing" the truth of His finished work for us!

We have a good, good Father and a mighty salvation in our Lord Jesus!

Here is a whole thread that speaks about this forgiveness with plenty of scriptures.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ion-confession-1-john-1-9-sin-confession.html
 
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It wasn't that he was dependent on wealth. He simply loved money more than he loved God.
Budman - "It wasn't that he was dependent on wealth"

I did not know you knew this young man personally. I created a link to money outside "love of money" on to what do you depend on, God or money. Or who is your master "God" or money?

Jesus said you cannot serve two masters, either you serve God or money. This is about loyalty, dependance, where your heart is. I suggest this is actually a problem for you, which is why you are certain the young man was not dependant on money. But think about when he lived. Being rich he would not have had to work. He could go where he wanted, and live where he wanted. He knew money bought this life style. We have people today who live exactly like this and buy themselves into situations all the time.

The problem is you do not develop the relationship and empathy skills, let alone the understanding of how to work for someone else if you grow up like this. So saying you should give up your wealth was a big, big thing. Or has this background passed you by?
 
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Genesis 20:4-6


But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, LORD, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation?


Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this.


And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.
I find it interesting that Abimalech had not been aware that God had withheld him from sinning.

I think maybe this is the source of a lot of arguments here.

God's power works in us often without us knowing He is ... then we get the false impression that WE did the good work of abstaining from doing evil, when really it was Him who did it.
 
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^ So hard to stay gone, when I see crap like this.
faith
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strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
Try some.
PW - you do not see how subtle things can be applied. I can quote all of scripture and just repeat saying the same things and then introduce an idea which changes all of its meaning. So I simply cannot accept anything that is being said, because it means something different to him than me, and there is no intention to be honest about these differences.

If someone says the Lords prayer is not for us as christians to pray, I close the book. It does not matter what fine sounding words or theories he has to justify this, he is denying Christs teaching to His people.

You want to defend this, so you believe likewise. Enough said where your loyalties lie.
 

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I find it interesting that Abimalech had not been aware that God had withheld him from sinning.

I think maybe this is the source of a lot of arguments here.

God's power works in us often without us knowing He is ... then we get the false impression that WE did the good work of abstaining from doing evil, when really it was Him who did it.
That's true, His power is extreme. To think that we will be spending an eternity with Him in heaven, I'm looking forward to touring the entire universe.
 

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I also marvel at how He is not bound by time. I wonder if that's what it means by eternal living with Him.
 
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That's true, His power is extreme. To think that we will be spending an eternity with Him in heaven, I'm looking forward to touring the entire universe.
Haha ... yes me too! I am looking forward to all the amazing new lessons :D I think of the few things that God told Job ...like measuring out snowflakes and storehouses for the elements and I almost drool from wanting to know MORE! :)
 

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Yes! God the original clock-maker! :) Hard to imagine eternity isn't it? :)
It is. I've tried understanding the concept of eternity but since I'm more used to a beginning and end I end up asking myself "God had no beginning?" Boggles my mind for sure. :D
 
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The "forgiveness of sins" that is in Jesus death and resurrection is the gospel. Don't fall for humanism that is trying to take you captive through philosophy and the traditions of men ( Col. 2:8 ).
Instead of humanism read belief that there is good in the soul.

Now this is the difference between gnostic and christian belief. Are sinners worth saving?
In other words are their hearts, when cleansed and forgiven, in communion with God, worthy, holy, pure.

Well I hope so, else we are all doomed.

I would hold we are born with love in us, at our core, but it is betrayed by life and family, because without God this will always take place.

Those who find God so hard to understand literally have still locked God out. On so many levels this is true.
Now if this is humanism, that Christs deems us worthy of trying to save us, then I say Amen, His faith is us is not miss-placed.

But for many extreme-grace believers this is justifying sinful man, and exalting the damned, so trampling on the gospel.
One contributor told me only when God burnt the last piece of him away could he say he walked with Jesus.

If this was true, God could create a whole people for himself by just commanding it into existance. But He has not, because this is not possible and not what we are.

So what you believe about people is as important as what you believe about Christ to be able to follow Him.
 
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It is. I've tried understanding the concept of eternity but since I'm more used to a beginning and end I end up asking myself "God had no beginning?" Boggles my mind for sure. :D
I once heard "eternity" described in this way...

" you take a diamond the size of the earth....every million years a dove flies by and brushed the diamond with it's wing....by the time that friction has worn that earth sized diamond down to the size of a pea...eternity will have just started."
 
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HeRose has another gospel then the grace of Christ..I don't know what you believe but we have had months of hearing HeRose's false gospel so we know what he believes...
Au contraire. I witness of the true grace of GOD and stand against your perverted version of grace.
 
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Well look a little closer? Verse 6 presented the negative side and the believer being divorced from reality. Verse 7 presented the positive side.

So Angela is spot on in her conditional clause explanation of verse 7.

IF....And you are in verse 7.
That's correct, but irrelevant. The import of the whole pericope is that fellowship is conditional upon walking in the light. Parsing one sentence to try to remove the conditionality is pointless and serious error. It doesn't accomplish anything but harm.
 
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Its is quite evident you have no understanding of what grace teachers believe.

Your continued attacks against them based on false premise and false accusations are getting to be old and tiring

Can I make a suggestion to you? Go ask a grace believer what he believes, stop listening to men who have led you astray and told you things which are not true about them.

Grace believers are dangerous and force a legalist to admit his sin, Thats why the legalist will make up so many things against a grace believer.


Just like the grace of God wil force them to hide sins, Wash down the law. Or ignore sin altogether, Because it forces them to be the publican, WHo continues to know he is unworthy, and will walk in that mindset, Always thankfull for the grace f God, which gives him the ability to be gratefull for th eone who saved them, and walk in a way worthy of his love.
You're just a habitual false accuser EG. It's your nature. I've been looking at this closely for nearly every day for 3 months now, so I know what I'm talking about
 
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PW - you do not see how subtle things can be applied. I can quote all of scripture and just repeat saying the same things and then introduce an idea which changes all of its meaning. So I simply cannot accept anything that is being said, because it means something different to him than me, and there is no intention to be honest about these differences.

If someone says the Lords prayer is not for us as christians to pray, I close the book. It does not matter what fine sounding words or theories he has to justify this, he is denying Christs teaching to His people.

You want to defend this, so you believe likewise. Enough said where your loyalties lie.
Is there no intention to be honest about these differences? I disagree.
Perhaps a realization exists--that "subtle differences" will always exist and some matters are more important than others. Some folks wish to go deeper than others. Some folks have the ability to go deeper than others.

And what's with the hypotheticals? We're dealing with real people here -- has anyone here said that the Lord's Prayer is not for us as Christians to pray? What has Grace777 said that has caused you to lump him with these folks you call "extreme grace" or "false grace"?

It should be simple and clear. Why the splitting of hairs?
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