Obsession with Confession (1 John 1:9, sin confession)

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
No. The high priest's role was to confess the nation's sins on the day of atonement. Every other day it was every person's responsibility to confess their own sins and offer their own sacrifice. That is why we are admonished in Hebrews to confidently approach the throne of grace ourselves. The sacrifice has been offered; it merely awaits our confession.
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Hebrews 10:1-4
The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming–not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. If it could, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins, because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

Sin confession is like the blood of bulls and goats, a reminder of sins. It doesn't set us free like Jesus' blood which stops the offerings. Sin confession is practically identical in concept to the old sacrifices, that had to be done again and again. Unlike believing in Jesus who took all our sins once and for all, and in Him we have total forgiveness.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
No. The high priest's role was to confess the nation's sins on the day of atonement. Every other day it was every person's responsibility to confess their own sins and offer their own sacrifice. That is why we are admonished in Hebrews to confidently approach the throne of grace ourselves. The sacrifice has been offered; it merely awaits our confession.
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And immediately their sins would begin to accumulate again. There was never any lasting relief from their sins. But Jesus doesn't just forgive our sins, He takes them away, as far as the east is from the west. He is the propitiation for our sins.
 
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BenFTW said:
Sin confession is like the blood of bulls and goats, a reminder of sins. It doesn't set us free like Jesus' blood which stops the offerings. Sin confession is practically identical in concept to the old sacrifices, that had to be done again and again. Unlike believing in Jesus who took all our sins once and for all, and in Him we have total forgiveness.[/I][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE]
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No, it's not. It's the doorway into the holy place. You have it exactly backwards. I would call what you are doing, denial.
 
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It was the Light of God's love and forgiveness for me that illuminated my sins...
 
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Ben, you are denying the present reality of real salvation in your life. If you are in the Family of God He will keep spanking you until the day you die, so , you must keep repenting to be saved ,keep obeying , keep believing to be saved. Hoffco
 
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I experienced God's love as unconditional, and His forgiveness as all encompassing, at a time in my life when I felt completely broken, an utter failure at anything I had set my hand and heart to... I had been brought up in the RCC but did not know Who Jesus was, and had rejected their teachings as a teenager, though continued to go to church on special days, such as Christmas, and maybe Easter, plus other family functions such as marriages and funerals. I was not a believer, was only a seeker, when I went to a church at Easter time in 1988 at the lowest point of my life, desiring to understand Who Jesus was, and wanting to know why He had to die for our sins. The church was offering a movie of His life in two parts, based on the Gospel of Luke. At some point as I sat in that church, I was filled with the Light of God's unconditional love and forgiveness. It illuminated everything in me, and I physically experienced it from the top of my head to the tips of my toes, in every fiber of my being. Contained in that experience was the knowledge that God knew all I had done and everything that had been done to me, understood all my reasons why, and forgave all. I felt completely unworthy of the love I felt shown to me. I wish everyone could have such an experience. It did not bring me to belief right away, in fact, it was sixteen years before I surrendered my opposition to Him. But it was, and remains, one of the most powerfully profound experiences of my life.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
No, it's not. It's the doorway into the holy place. You have it exactly backwards. I would call what you are doing, denial.
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Ironically and funny enough, I too would call what you are proposing denial. Denial of what Jesus has done on your behalf so that you may have confidence to go to the Father. The veil is broken, stop allowing religion to sow it back up in your relationship with the Lord. You are reconciled. Go into His embrace and enjoy that intimacy with Him. He doesn't condemn you and no sin you commit can separate Him from you because you are washed in the blood of His wonderful Son, Jesus Christ.
 
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BenFTW said:


Sin confession is like the blood of bulls and goats, a reminder of sins. It doesn't set us free like Jesus' blood which stops the offerings. Sin confession is practically identical in concept to the old sacrifices, that had to be done again and again. Unlike believing in Jesus who took all our sins once and for all, and in Him we have total forgiveness.[/I][/FONT][/COLOR]
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If we say we have no sin, the truth is not in us. If the truth is not in us, we cannot enter the holy place, because the only way we can enter in is in the spirit of truth. If you think we have no sin, how is it that Jesus rebuked 5 of the churches in Revelation for having sin in their midst, and told them he had something against them? And he told them (not the world) to repent, with very dire warnings if they did not. If we have sin, how can you say that we don't need to confess such to the lord?
 
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If we say we have no sin, the truth is not in us. If the truth is not in us, we cannot enter the holy place, because the only way we can enter in is in the spirit of truth. If you think we have no sin, how is it that Jesus rebuked 5 of the churches in Revelation for having sin in their midst, and told them he had something against them? And he told them (not the world) to repent, with very dire warnings if they did not. If we have sin, how can you say that we don't need to confess such to the lord?
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Because of the blood of Jesus Christ that cleanses us from all unrighteousness. No Christian here is saying we don't have sin, rather that sin has been taken care of by Jesus. Our sins of scarlet are as white as snow, sins of crimson white as wool. We stand righteous in Jesus Christ, He has imputed His righteousness to us. He doesn't condemn us. We have peace! Even in the midst of our sin we know he doesn't condemn us and He loves us. This isn't a license to sin but a revelation of His grace that sets us free from sin.
 
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BenFTW said:
Ironically and funny enough, I too would call what you are proposing denial. Denial of what Jesus has done on your behalf so that you may have confidence to go to the Father. The veil is broken, stop allowing religion to sow it back up in your relationship with the Lord. You are reconciled. Go into His embrace and enjoy that intimacy with Him. He doesn't condemn you and no sin you commit can separate Him from you because you are washed in the blood of His wonderful Son, Jesus Christ.
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I don't deny the eternal reality of abiding forgiveness. I simply have to turn to it in the spirit of truth. Unlike you, however, I recognize the need to continually wash away the impingements and defilements of the world upon my mind, just as the priests who attended the altar had to continually wash themselves in water to cleanse the defilement from the sacrifices they handled, which if they didn't they would die.

Everything in the OT is there for a reason. Everything in the temple is a pattern, type, or shadow, of the reality of Christ; which btw, pertains to not just the man Christ, but his body as well.
 
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BenFTW said:
Because of the blood of Jesus Christ that cleanses us from all unrighteousness. No Christian here is saying we don't have sin, rather that sin has been taken care of by Jesus. Our sins of scarlet are as white as snow, sins of crimson white as wool. We stand righteous in Jesus Christ, He has imputed His righteousness to us. He doesn't condemn us. We have peace! Even in the midst of our sin we know he doesn't condemn us and He loves us. This isn't a license to sin but a revelation of His grace that sets us free from sin.
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Sure it has. In terms of the penalty. In terms of our walk, though, we cannot have fellowship with GOD until we acknowledge the things in our lives that offend him. Imagine having an earthly relationship with a woman whom you relate to in the same way that you do GOD. The relationship wouldn't last long, or you'd end up living in a shallow, co-dependent relationship.

I agree the lord doesn't condemn us, but he does hold things against us. Read Revelation 2-3 and prove me wrong.
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
I don't deny the eternal reality of abiding forgiveness. I simply have to turn to it in the spirit of truth. Unlike you, however, I recognize the need to continually wash away the impingements and defilements of the world upon my mind, just as the priests who attended the altar had to continually wash themselves in water to cleanse the defilement from the sacrifices they handled, which if they didn't they would die.

Everything in the OT is there for a reason. Everything in the temple is a pattern, type, or shadow, of the reality of Christ; which btw, pertains to not just the man Christ, but his body as well.
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Yes shadows, the reality of which is found in Christ Jesus. There was no chair in the temple, because the priests work was never finished. But.....Our high priest, Jesus, sat down.
 
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Here's another one of Bob's from "Classic Christianity":


"The Christian world is obsessed with sin. It's all we talk about. Most of our preaching and teaching is directed toward getting people to quit sinning. Are you ready for a really shocking statement?

The goal of the Christian life is not to stop sinning!

To use the analogy of the starving man, most Christian teaching is like a person following a starving man around saying, "You stay out of the garbage! Do you hear me? Don't eat the garbage! You stay out of there!" Look, when you're truly hungry, you'll eat anything, even garbage.

What should you do? I promise you: If you will get that man into the cafeteria line, and he begins experiencing what real, good food is like, he won't be nostalgically dreaming about the garbage out back.

What is it that every human being needs? The life of Christ! And not just our initial receiving of Him into our lives; we need to experience daily the reality of knowing Christ and walking with Him in a vibrant relationship.

It is only in comparison with the riches of knowing Christ that sin begins to lose its appeal. The longer that I am a Christian, the more I feel in my heart that sin is not just wrong, it is outright stupid. I feel so dumb for settling for anything less than experiencing Jesus Christ Himself every minute. Why should I ever wallow in the garbage when the Lord has laid a banquet table for me? And yet, the "stay-out-of-the-garbage" approach to Christian education predominates today. In other words, we continue to try to use the law to produce the Christian life.

The law was never given to make men right with God; it was given to show men their need so that they would turn to a Savior who would make them right with God.

There are devastating results of using the law in the Christian life:

First, we actually end up producing what we are trying to stop, sin. 1 Corinthians 15:56 says, "...the power of sin is the law" The law not only doesn't stop us from sinning, it actually stirs up more!

The second reason that the law is useless for producing the life that God desires is that it deals only with externals. God, we are told, is looking on man's heart, but the law only deals with his actions. If merely shaping up our actions were what God desired, then the Pharisees would have been His favorites.

The goal of the Christian life is knowing Christ!
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
Sure it has. In terms of the penalty. In terms of our walk, though, we cannot have fellowship with GOD until we acknowledge the things in our lives that offend him. Imagine having an earthly relationship with a woman whom you relate to in the same way that you do GOD. The relationship wouldn't last long, or you'd end up living in a shallow, co-dependent relationship.

I agree the lord doesn't condemn us, but he does hold things against us. Read Revelation 2-3 and prove me wrong.
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Wait, what? God holds things against us?? You mean Jesus sacrifice really wasn't sufficient?

How is it you argue so vehemently against the so called law-keepers, and then turn around and make what we do the basis for our forgiveness?? There is a disconnect there someplace.
 
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FreeNChrist said:
Wait, what? God holds things against us?? You mean Jesus sacrifice really wasn't sufficient?

How is it you argue so vehemently against the so called law-keepers, and then turn around and make what we do the basis for our forgiveness?? There is a disconnect there someplace.
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Read Revelation 2-3. I didn't make it up.
 
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