Old Testament

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KohenMatt

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oldhermit said:
That was a regulation for how the Jews were to build their houses to insure the safety of guest. This would fall under the basic law of "love thy neighbor as thyself." There regulation for the building of the house was extemporaneous to the fundamental principle.
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And yet its still a good idea to love your neighbor as thyself by putting up a rail on your balcony. Personally, I wouldn't feel very loved if you invite me up to your balcony and you don't have a rail.
 
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KohenMatt said:
And yet its still a good idea to love your neighbor as thyself by putting up a rail on your balcony. Personally, I wouldn't feel very loved if you invite me up to your balcony and you don't have a rail.
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Yes, the basic principles remains as forceful as it ever did but the regulations that governed how those basic principles were to be carried out for the Jew under the Old Law are no longer binding.
 
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I would say putting up a guard rail on your balcony is still pretty binding.
 
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oldhermit said:
On what basis other than just common sense.
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Other than the fact of physically obeying this particular law and the Law as a whole is common sense....

Jesus told His disciples to follow the Law.
 
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Will we EVER settle down, and let ourselves understand covenant?
 
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KohenMatt said:
Other than the fact of physically obeying this particular law and the Law as a whole is common sense....

Jesus told His disciples to follow the Law.
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Most practices in the Law that related to brother to brother relations are common sense. That does not mean they are spiritually binding. Let me offer another example. The first commandment, "You shall have no other gods before Me" stands as the pivotal command of all commands. Every other command is subordinate to this command. How this command was to be carried out was regulated by an extensive and comprehensive sacrificial system of worship that revolved around the altar. The basic principle still stands - “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me." What is no longer binding is all of the catalogue of regulations that governed how God was to be honored at the altar.
 
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oldhermit said:
Most practices in the Law that related to brother to brother relations are common sense. That does not mean they are spiritually binding. Let me offer another example. The first commandment, "You shall have no other gods before Me" stands as the pivotal command of all commands. Every other command is subordinate to this command. How this command was to be carried out was regulated by an extensive and comprehensive sacrificial system of worship that revolved around the altar. The basic principle still stands - “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me." What is no longer binding is all of the catalogue of regulations that governed how God was to be honored at the altar.
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There is a lot of rationale and opinion in there, but the fact remains that Jesus told His disciples to follow the Law. Opinions and the traditions of men are of no value when compared to the commands of God.
 
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KohenMatt said:
There is a lot of rationale and opinion in there, but the fact remains that Jesus told His disciples to follow the Law. Opinions and the traditions of men are of no value when compared to the commands of God.
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That was because at the time they were still under the Old Covenant and that covenant was still binding until the resurrection.
 
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I don't agree with you on that one brother.
 
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Binding to what end? For what purpose?
 
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Binding for what purpose? To receive a cookie? For Salvation? For God's approval? If something is binding, it is bound to something.
 
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KohenMatt said:
Binding for what purpose? To receive a cookie? For Salvation? For God's approval? If something is binding, it is bound to something.
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The Law was binding upon Jesus and his disciples in the fact that God required these things of them. At that time they were still obligated to obey all the Law.
 
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I have to run for now. I will be back around 7:30.
 
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oldhermit said:
The Law was binding upon Jesus and his disciples in the fact that God required these things of them. At that time they were still obligated to obey all the Law.
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Yes, they were obligated to follow the Law. Jesus told them they were to follow them until heaven and earth pass away.
 
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KohenMatt said:
Yes, they were obligated to follow the Law. Jesus told them they were to follow them until heaven and earth pass away.
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And if you ask any Jew, he or she will be able to give you the date that the Jewish reference of "Heaven and Earth" passed away.
 
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Willie-T said:
And if you ask any Jew, he or she will be able to give you the date that the Jewish reference of "Heaven and Earth" passed away.
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Perhaps they could. However, I tend to use the interpretation based on looking out my window and seeing heaven and earth still in existence.
 
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KohenMatt said:
Perhaps they could. However, I tend to use the interpretation based on looking out my window and seeing heaven and earth still in existence.
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I can understand that. And it might make sense if those words had not been spoken 2,000 years ago, to people of an entirely different culture who spoke of "Heaven & Earth" every day, and visited it at least once a year with their whole families.
 
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