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Yes, we have . . . I again say - YOU do not understand. We are fathered by God - He is our FATHER. We are born into HIS family, chosen to be adopted into HIS family. When a person is born - they die - born of perishable seed . . . When a person is born again - born of imperishable seed - DOES NOT PERISH [incorruptible seed - DOES NOT CORRUPT]. We are HOLY by nature; the divine nature which we partake of when we are born again. We are SEALED by God, we have been guaranteed, NOTHING (not our failures or our faults) can separate us from the love of Christ.
For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. And if they were all one member, where were the body? But now are they many members, yet but one body. And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be MORE FEEBLE are NECESSARY: And those members of the body which we THINK TO BE LESS HONOURABLE, upon these WE BESTOW MORE ABUNDANT HONOUR and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked. That there should be no division in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. [1 Cor. 12:14-26] . . . Are we going to amputate each part of Christ's body that messes up - God seems to think they are EACH important. If we amputate all members but one . . . where would the body be?
The little paragraph you had on "guarantee" . . . If it is not a true guarantee from God - what worth do we have in Him guaranteeing us anything? The thing is - God's kids want to show God that what he did wasn't in vain . . . . we are saved by grace . . . we are saved by faith . . . our trust lies in what Christ did for us and the promises that come with that trust in Christ are ours . . . but I guess if God's gurarantee isn't good enough . . . His promises aren't either.
(last sentence meant facetiously)
For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. And if they were all one member, where were the body? But now are they many members, yet but one body. And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be MORE FEEBLE are NECESSARY: And those members of the body which we THINK TO BE LESS HONOURABLE, upon these WE BESTOW MORE ABUNDANT HONOUR and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked. That there should be no division in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. [1 Cor. 12:14-26] . . . Are we going to amputate each part of Christ's body that messes up - God seems to think they are EACH important. If we amputate all members but one . . . where would the body be?
The little paragraph you had on "guarantee" . . . If it is not a true guarantee from God - what worth do we have in Him guaranteeing us anything? The thing is - God's kids want to show God that what he did wasn't in vain . . . . we are saved by grace . . . we are saved by faith . . . our trust lies in what Christ did for us and the promises that come with that trust in Christ are ours . . . but I guess if God's gurarantee isn't good enough . . . His promises aren't either.
(last sentence meant facetiously)
C
I always think of forfeit as you chose to give it up, resulting in a penalty. There are many people who choose to give up their relationship with God for other things and the penalty of sin is death. The reason why God sent his son to be the perfect sacrifice so we can be forgiven and spend eternity with him.
We can never lose God, as he is always present in everything waiting for us to run to him. I mean, God is present when you look at his beautiful creation as he will never leave us or forsake us.
Anyway, I hope this makes sense
We can never lose God, as he is always present in everything waiting for us to run to him. I mean, God is present when you look at his beautiful creation as he will never leave us or forsake us.
Anyway, I hope this makes sense
Sometimes God purposely sends us in what seems like the wrong direction so God can teach us something God wants us to learn. I don't understand God but this has happened to me more then once. We have a lot to learn and God intends to teach us. I don't think your love for God ever left you. Just your desire to please God got week. That's just a normal part of growing up as a Christian. We are all just children.
Losing something is likened to say if you were running in a forest and some change in your pockets fell out. You lost the coins in the forest unintentionally. Forfeit would be likened to you.... taking the change in your pocket and then throwing them willingly into the forest of your own free will choice.
People say they love God, but their obedience to God's Word is the real proof in the pudding if such a thing is true or not. A mental acknowledgment or belief is not going to cut it. For the demons also believe and tremble. For Jesus said... if you love me... .keep my Commandments. You choose to follow the Lord or you don't. There is no following the Lord in your mind.
People say they love God, but their obedience to God's Word is the real proof in the pudding if such a thing is true or not. A mental acknowledgment or belief is not going to cut it. For the demons also believe and tremble. For Jesus said... if you love me... .keep my Commandments. You choose to follow the Lord or you don't. There is no following the Lord in your mind.
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To clarify, there is no following the Lord in your mind alone. For surely we can worship and love God with all our minds; But the Lord also commands us to love Him with all our hearts and souls, too. Paul says we are to offer our bodies as a willing sacrifice unto God, which is our reasonable service. Are you reasonably serving Him by offering your body unto God? You know? Is your life a sacrifice unto Him? If this is the case, then there is no room for a sin and still be saved doctrine or for the thinking that you will always be a slave to sin. For true believers are not slaves to sin but they are slaves to righteousness.
In John chapter 8, the Pharisees thought they were of God because Abraham was their father. They did not obey the weightier matters of the law like justice, love, and mercy. Jesus said they wanted to kill him because his Word did not abide in them. Jesus said their father was the devil because they copied the evil things that the devil puts forth in this world.
Jesus said his brother, sister, and mother are those who do the will of the Father. The Father told the Son to speak everything He said and it was written down as the very Word of God for us today. Jesus quoted Scripture and defeated the devil with it and dumbfounded his enemies with it. Jesus was in perfect obedience to God's Word and He calls us to be perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect. The Heavenly Father is perfect because He is Holy and cannot sin. That is why God the Father is perfect just as Jesus (the Eternal Word) is perfect.
Jesus said his brother, sister, and mother are those who do the will of the Father. The Father told the Son to speak everything He said and it was written down as the very Word of God for us today. Jesus quoted Scripture and defeated the devil with it and dumbfounded his enemies with it. Jesus was in perfect obedience to God's Word and He calls us to be perfect as our Heavenly Father is perfect. The Heavenly Father is perfect because He is Holy and cannot sin. That is why God the Father is perfect just as Jesus (the Eternal Word) is perfect.
no, the meaning of you are of your father the devil is the Pharisees thought that being religious and pious and saying all the right things made then like God. their sin was pride, thinking they were right and anyone who disagrees with them was wrong. pride was the devil's sin. ( I shall be like the most high). pride is the most dangerous sin because the proud person THINKS they are doing the right thing, but are really not.
What does any of this have to do with losing our salvation?
We are saved through our faith in Jesus Christ. The bottom line basic definition of faith is TRUST. Do we TRUST that Jesus death and resurrection accomplished the purpose that God meant it to? Do we TRUST that we have been reconciled to God and that we have been given the gift of holy Spirit via the new birth and that IN THAT NEW CREATION [Spirit] which is DIVINE IN NATURE; is it truly INCORRUPTIBLE?
It's like another poster said on here somewhere - I would have to go back and find it - but a believer who is truly endeavoring to walk by the Spirit - they know immediately when they have done something wrong and they immediately have sorrow and ask right at that moment for forgiveness. It's like it is an automatic thing.
AGAIN . . . . God's kids want to show God that what he did wasn't in vain . . . .
If we do happen to forget something - it will be burned along with any other hay, wood, stubble, in our lives but we will be saved.
We are saved through our faith in Jesus Christ. The bottom line basic definition of faith is TRUST. Do we TRUST that Jesus death and resurrection accomplished the purpose that God meant it to? Do we TRUST that we have been reconciled to God and that we have been given the gift of holy Spirit via the new birth and that IN THAT NEW CREATION [Spirit] which is DIVINE IN NATURE; is it truly INCORRUPTIBLE?
It's like another poster said on here somewhere - I would have to go back and find it - but a believer who is truly endeavoring to walk by the Spirit - they know immediately when they have done something wrong and they immediately have sorrow and ask right at that moment for forgiveness. It's like it is an automatic thing.
AGAIN . . . . God's kids want to show God that what he did wasn't in vain . . . .
If we do happen to forget something - it will be burned along with any other hay, wood, stubble, in our lives but we will be saved.
W
Well, in addition to our own sin there is always that of the world, and I think it sometimes gets so "loud" that is makes it difficult to hear God through it. We are reborn, but still in the flesh, so that of the flesh is more visible to us, and it is hard to hang on to that of God as it seems more distant.
“Do not be deceived, Wormwood. Our cause is never more in danger than when a
human, no longer desiring, but still intending, to do our Enemy's will, looks
round upon a universe from which every trace of Him seems to have vanished, and
asks why he has been forsaken, and still obeys.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
(In the off- chance you don't know this book, it is a series of letters from one demon to another, about a Christian)
“Do not be deceived, Wormwood. Our cause is never more in danger than when a
human, no longer desiring, but still intending, to do our Enemy's will, looks
round upon a universe from which every trace of Him seems to have vanished, and
asks why he has been forsaken, and still obeys.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
(In the off- chance you don't know this book, it is a series of letters from one demon to another, about a Christian)
P
sigh.
the north american 'gospel'.
you are what you do rather than what God in Christ has done for you.
and something about having a form of godliness but denying its power.
most people understand a Christian's sin was imputed to Christ, but we often fail to remember
His perfection...His faultless obedience has been imputed to us.
yeah...2 Tim 3 has a lot to say about this whole, hot mess.
may God have mercy on us.
the north american 'gospel'.
you are what you do rather than what God in Christ has done for you.
and something about having a form of godliness but denying its power.
most people understand a Christian's sin was imputed to Christ, but we often fail to remember
His perfection...His faultless obedience has been imputed to us.
yeah...2 Tim 3 has a lot to say about this whole, hot mess.
may God have mercy on us.
That is not what John chapter 8 says. Jesus said they did the lusts of their father the devil.
Read it for yourself here:
John 8:38-39, 41-42, 44 KJV
I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Read it for yourself here:
John 8:38-39, 41-42, 44 KJV
I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
P
i don't know if you're still reading this thread (and wouldn't blame you if you weren't).
but listen to me, baby girl--never believe you have more power than your Redeemer.
look at your own words...see His Power keeping you, steering you back on course.
HE is the One who makes our paths straight when we veer off course.
this Covenant we're under was not made by us...
it was made between the Father and the Son. it's unbreakable!
you can trust Him...rest in Him...if you are in Christ, you're in!
i'm not saying don't do the right thing...do the right thing.
just don't mistake that for anything other than your just and due service.
this whole thing we call the Christian faith is not riding on our performance.
it's Christ's performance for us that makes all the difference.
grace and peace to you--
ellie
but listen to me, baby girl--never believe you have more power than your Redeemer.
look at your own words...see His Power keeping you, steering you back on course.
HE is the One who makes our paths straight when we veer off course.
this Covenant we're under was not made by us...
it was made between the Father and the Son. it's unbreakable!
you can trust Him...rest in Him...if you are in Christ, you're in!
i'm not saying don't do the right thing...do the right thing.
just don't mistake that for anything other than your just and due service.
this whole thing we call the Christian faith is not riding on our performance.
it's Christ's performance for us that makes all the difference.
grace and peace to you--
ellie