Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked
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That is always the pattern. Heb 6 & 10, 2 Pet 2 are dealing with "walking away" for whatever reasons.
1Jo 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
And this is the reason why. Which again.....is always the Biblical pattern. From which accurate doctrine can be deduced.
1Jo 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
And this is the reason why. Which again.....is always the Biblical pattern. From which accurate doctrine can be deduced.
That's not correct:
We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[d] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker. Gal2:15-18
We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[d] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker. Gal2:15-18
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Just so we are on the same page as it were. Justification is instantaneous once someone accepts Christ as their saviour. The justification Paul is writing about clearly takes time to achieve. So what justification is he writing about? Why does he ask the question: ''Doesn't that mean that Christ promotes sin?'' And what does he mean when he states: ''If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker ''
I love how you said better to exercise it. We ask for more faith all the time we ask to grow it in but that also means we have to be prepared to have to work in it because odds are if you ask for it he will give it but it is eventually going to lead you to leap of faith situations
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Because if Paul were to believe that through his works he could rebuild it, then that would actually be sin and
therefore, Christ then would be the minister of it. He is using it to demonstrate that using one's works, no matter
which works they are in order to become saved is sin. A person can only be justified by Christ, and that comes with being saved by Christ. It is instantaneous with/by/from salvation.
therefore, Christ then would be the minister of it. He is using it to demonstrate that using one's works, no matter
which works they are in order to become saved is sin. A person can only be justified by Christ, and that comes with being saved by Christ. It is instantaneous with/by/from salvation.
The verses concern a new convert to the faith.
But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. Rom6:17-19
Paul tells the romans though they used to be slaves to sin/dead in sin, by following the teaching of grace they crossed over from being slaves of sin to slaves of righteousness leading to holiness. But it takes time, it is not instantaneous to cross over from one state to the other. It is this justification of a believers faith that is mentioned in the quoted verses.
A man accepts Christ as his saviour, he is a drunk, habitual thief, a serial adulterer and constantly uses foul language. He is a slave of sin. He seeks to cross over from this state to being a slave of righteousness leading to holiness. He seeks this justification of his faith, not by obeying the law/striving to defeat the sin, but by faith in Christ, he trusts Christ to get him to where he needs to be. Immediately the affairs stop, stealing stops also and the foul language lessens, so fruits of his new found faith are already being seen. However, drinking is not so easy, he has been its slave for many a year. One night he visits a church, his breath smelling of alcohol, and he heartily joins in the service, praising God for saving him through Christ. What would someone who did not understand the message think? ‘’If this man is saved, doesn’t that mean that Christ is a minister of sin? for here he is joining in the service with his breath smelling of alcohol.’’ However, the man hates the fact he still drinks, but he is entitled to still rejoice in his new found faith despite his imperfections, otherwise he must go around in sackcloth and ashes until he is as pure as the driven snow. He keeps looking to Christ, trusting he is saved because he died for him, and trusting him to get him to where he needs to be. Immediately after Paul asks the question. ‘Is Christ therefore the minister of sin?’’ he answers it. ‘’ God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.’’
In other words, if Paul rebuilt the system he had sought so hard to destroy, righteousness of obeying the law, and sought to defeat the sin himself to receive such justification of his faith, he would fail and simply prove he was a transgressor/lawbreaker.
But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. Rom6:17-19
Paul tells the romans though they used to be slaves to sin/dead in sin, by following the teaching of grace they crossed over from being slaves of sin to slaves of righteousness leading to holiness. But it takes time, it is not instantaneous to cross over from one state to the other. It is this justification of a believers faith that is mentioned in the quoted verses.
A man accepts Christ as his saviour, he is a drunk, habitual thief, a serial adulterer and constantly uses foul language. He is a slave of sin. He seeks to cross over from this state to being a slave of righteousness leading to holiness. He seeks this justification of his faith, not by obeying the law/striving to defeat the sin, but by faith in Christ, he trusts Christ to get him to where he needs to be. Immediately the affairs stop, stealing stops also and the foul language lessens, so fruits of his new found faith are already being seen. However, drinking is not so easy, he has been its slave for many a year. One night he visits a church, his breath smelling of alcohol, and he heartily joins in the service, praising God for saving him through Christ. What would someone who did not understand the message think? ‘’If this man is saved, doesn’t that mean that Christ is a minister of sin? for here he is joining in the service with his breath smelling of alcohol.’’ However, the man hates the fact he still drinks, but he is entitled to still rejoice in his new found faith despite his imperfections, otherwise he must go around in sackcloth and ashes until he is as pure as the driven snow. He keeps looking to Christ, trusting he is saved because he died for him, and trusting him to get him to where he needs to be. Immediately after Paul asks the question. ‘Is Christ therefore the minister of sin?’’ he answers it. ‘’ God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.’’
In other words, if Paul rebuilt the system he had sought so hard to destroy, righteousness of obeying the law, and sought to defeat the sin himself to receive such justification of his faith, he would fail and simply prove he was a transgressor/lawbreaker.
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