once saved always saved saved is a doctrine of the devil

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I realize this is an old thread, however I wanted to address this particular post since some of these items are still being discussed.

first of all, none of the verses you have listed prove your point. Nothing is said about Christians who turn their backs on Christ and decide that they do not want to live the Christian life any longer and completely reject Christ. Of course we have eternal security but that eternal security is conditional. Please note first John 1:7–9. The blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin if we walk In the light. Again if we walk in the light. That little two letter word , if, often gets overlooked.


Matthew 24:13 means exactly what it says. He is addressing all Christians. There is the Mosaic dispensation, and the New Testament dispensation which became effective when Christ died on the cross. That's it. You are over complicating the Bible when you start talking about various dispensations such as "the time of Jacobs trouble" whatever that means.

Galatians 54 says it if we try to be justified by the law we have fallen from Grace. You can't fall from someplace you have never been. Paul is obviously addressing Christians here.

once saved always saved is a dangerous and deadly false doctrine.
Some people will not learn because the truth hurts I have been trying to explain the same concept...
Heb 10
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
You can't draw back to where you never was. And you have to draw back from where you were So if one draw back to perdition it means he was in perdition were saved then drew back to perdition
 
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Are we to believe that as soon as we accept Jesus in our lives that our salvation is secure? Again people are quick to run to the Apostle Paul’s writing, grabbing a couple of verse that preachers have grossly mistaught. And they have built a false teaching regarding “once saved always saved”. Just as you freely accepted Jesus in your life you can also freely choose to stop serving him. Jesus said with his own mouth; (Matt. 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord. People are being taught that once you are quote “saved” that you can never fall to the spiritually lost condition. This is not true and totally unbiblical; this teaching is a damnable heresy brought in by man. To teach someone that all they have to do is believe on Christ and you are saved is a doctrine of the devil. Many who teach eternal security teach that once a man is saved no matter how wicked he becomes he is still saved. Thus the teaching “once saved always saved”. Then you asked them what are you saved from? Or how did you obtain your salvation? And most cannot answer these questions. Some even say that sense I have been “saved” I am living a sinless life.
(1John:1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. According to bible you can’t be living a sinless life, because if you make such a statement, you just lied

Paul said in (1Cor. 15:1-2) (v.1) MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (v.2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Paul is telling you right here that you are saved by the gospel that he preached unto you if you keep it in memory. So what happens if you don’t keep it in memory? Then you have believed in vain you have believed for nothing that’s what vain means
Once
saved.
are
we
always
safe?

Saved from the past slavery to sin and death according to carnality.

Where we publicly declare to all believers that in Baptism, we are burying the old condemned carnal person, lived conformed to the pattern of this world.

Born a new person ('saved' from the past), and also with the HOLY SPIRIT, teaching the New Covenant, the new narrow road ahead that leads to GOD's place of rest, HIS home with many mansions.

As it is written to 'A Gathering" to;

"Workout your salvation in fear and trembling."

Because as the Good Shepherd said;

1. "................... only a few will make it."
2. "................... only a few are chosen."

Does anyone's walk reflects the New Covenant knowledge faith, to be included in that prophesied justified few?

Let us all not put on a show because based on the New Covenant every show of masked actor and actresses will be exposed by the HOLY SPIRIT who inspired these Scripture.

Do they not as written Living Words of LORD JESUS CHRIST that only justifies our always saved believing.

Who is the deceiver and who is deceiving and who is being deceived?

JESUS said and HIS Words keep on Living because of the HOLY SPIRIT, that;

"The blind leading the blind and soon they are going to fall into a ditch."
 
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The above is given in order to turn back many to the feet of JESUS, to start seeking help in all their weaknesses, lack 'abiding' according to the New Covenant living justified standards and to ignore me who is only a vessel. No one is answerable to me for sure, for only the gift placed in me, spoke to serve justice from deception, but nevertheless, all and i, are definitely answerable to;

"....................., the author and finisher of our faith."


Apart from these which are truthfully highlighted to workout on, then otherwise;

"........................................... only accumulating trouble for us on judgement day."
 
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Some people will not learn because the truth hurts I have been trying to explain the same concept...
Heb 10
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
You can't draw back to where you never was. And you have to draw back from where you were So if one draw back to perdition it means he was in perdition were saved then drew back to perdition
The author of Hebrews was dealing with Jews, many who were in unbelief concerning the sacrifice for sin through the offering of the body of Christ. The Holy Spirit was involved in drawing these Jews away from the old sacrificial system they had been under through the law and Moses, as a people and nation. The Holy Spirit was able to overcome many obstacles of that system in bringing them to a saving knowledge of Christ, but many had not been convinced yet and were still in unbelief. The author refers to this many times and gives them warning about drawing back from the place of conviction that they had been brought by the Spirit through the words and events that had taken place through the shed blood of the cross in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.

Their old creed according to the righteousness of the law was being challenged and they had come under conviction of the cross and the exercise of faith in what the cross had accomplished for them in the once and for all sacrifice of Christ. They needed to see that the blood of the cross was their only means of having their conscience purged from dead works to serve the living God by a new and living way. They needed to see that Christ with his own blood entered into the holy place and obtained eternal redemption for them. They needed to see that it could not be obtained through the righteousness of the law or the works thereby but only by faith in the sacrifice of Christ and His shed blood.

The Spirit had brought many of them to this point but many had decided at a certain place under the conviction of the Spirit to turn back to the old system. They had been enlightened to these things and tasted the good word of God and of the heavenly gift and were made partakers of the conviction of the Spirit, but if they were to fall away from the place that God had brought them through the Spirit it would almost be impossible to renew them back to that place of repentance. the place of changing their mind about the old system and taking on the new system through the blood and sacrifice of Christ.
 
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The author of Hebrews was dealing with Jews, many who were in unbelief concerning the sacrifice for sin through the offering of the body of Christ. The Holy Spirit was involved in drawing these Jews away from the old sacrificial system they had been under through the law and Moses, as a people and nation. The Holy Spirit was able to overcome many obstacles of that system in bringing them to a saving knowledge of Christ, but many had not been convinced yet and were still in unbelief. The author refers to this many times and gives them warning about drawing back from the place of conviction that they had been brought by the Spirit through the words and events that had taken place through the shed blood of the cross in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.

Their old creed according to the righteousness of the law was being challenged and they had come under conviction of the cross and the exercise of faith in what the cross had accomplished for them in the once and for all sacrifice of Christ. They needed to see that the blood of the cross was their only means of having their conscience purged from dead works to serve the living God by a new and living way. They needed to see that Christ with his own blood entered into the holy place and obtained eternal redemption for them. They needed to see that it could not be obtained through the righteousness of the law or the works thereby but only by faith in the sacrifice of Christ and His shed blood.

The Spirit had brought many of them to this point but many had decided at a certain place under the conviction of the Spirit to turn back to the old system. They had been enlightened to these things and tasted the good word of God and of the heavenly gift and were made partakers of the conviction of the Spirit, but if they were to fall away from the place that God had brought them through the Spirit it would almost be impossible to renew them back to that place of repentance. the place of changing their mind about the old system and taking on the new system through the blood and sacrifice of Christ.
point taken so then the Idea of drawing back can be applied to a gentile who after coming to a knowledge of Christ tasted walked for a while then for whatever reason turns from the faith . Can it or not.And what is the consequence. some people take God for granted thinking he have to do this and do that But God is GOD...

[SUP]21 [/SUP]For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.


Heb 10[SUP]26 [/SUP]For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
[SUP]27 [/SUP]But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
 
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Are we to believe that as soon as we accept Jesus in our lives that our salvation is secure? Again people are quick to run to the Apostle Paul’s writing, grabbing a couple of verse that preachers have grossly mistaught. And they have built a false teaching regarding “once saved always saved”. Just as you freely accepted Jesus in your life you can also freely choose to stop serving him. Jesus said with his own mouth; (Matt. 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord. People are being taught that once you are quote “saved” that you can never fall to the spiritually lost condition. This is not true and totally unbiblical; this teaching is a damnable heresy brought in by man. To teach someone that all they have to do is believe on Christ and you are saved is a doctrine of the devil. Many who teach eternal security teach that once a man is saved no matter how wicked he becomes he is still saved. Thus the teaching “once saved always saved”. Then you asked them what are you saved from? Or how did you obtain your salvation? And most cannot answer these questions. Some even say that sense I have been “saved” I am living a sinless life.
(1John:1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. According to bible you can’t be living a sinless life, because if you make such a statement, you just lied

Paul said in (1Cor. 15:1-2) (v.1) MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (v.2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Paul is telling you right here that you are saved by the gospel that he preached unto you if you keep it in memory. So what happens if you don’t keep it in memory? Then you have believed in vain you have believed for nothing that’s what vain means
Hi Iam New comer and a Committed follower of Christ.

May i kindly asked you my friend,
1. What is your understanding if "being saved"?
2. Why do you think people need to be save?

Thanks
 
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Once saved always saved does that mean I can be a murderer and commit all sorts of abominations under the sun but not to worry as I repented long time ago as I am saved? This is an Antichrist gospel.

Hebrews 6: 4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
[5] And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
[6] If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance
; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

2nd Peter 2:[20] For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
[21] For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

[22] But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Amen, we have examples of two people that where saved and lost their salvation at the last minute at the alter at Peter's feet!!

Acts 4:[32] And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
[33] And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
[34] Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
[35] And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
[36] And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
[37] Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

Acts 5:[1] But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
[2] And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
[3] But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
[4] Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
[5] And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

[6] And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
[7] And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
[8] And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
[9] Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
[10] Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

[11] And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

Amen where was the once saved always saved for two believers who did contrary to what they where told? Where was their lawyer with the once saved gospel? Where was the Pope or Billy Graham with his funny Hollywood gospel to say, "God loves you once saved always saved!!" I do not read a come back for those who where once saved in Matthew 12.

Matthew 12:[43] When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
[44] Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
[45] Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

We are told to endure until the end the same shall be saved.

Matthew 24:13] But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

We pay for sin the wages of it is hell fire and brimstone not heaven wrong H.

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death!!!"

Your wage or payment is hell fire and brimstone not life.

I read in Romans 1 that there was no once saved always saved for these people who knew God at one point.

Romans 1:[21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[23] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
[24] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
[26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
[28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
[29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[31] Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
[32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Once saved always sinning God forbid when man commit sin they are of the devil!!! If that is case then the devil must be saved if we are once saved always saved.

Galatians 2:[17] But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
[18] For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
[19] For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
[21] I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.




 

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Once Saved, Not Yet Saved Is a Doctrine of Devils

Thou shalt call His name Jesus,
For
He shall save His people from their sins.

I give them everlasting life, and they shall never perish!

He Who began a good work in you will complete it.

Jesus Christ, the author & the finisher of our faith.

He is able to save to the uttermost.

The inheritance is incorruptible & undefiled,
reserved. We are guarded by the power of God.

Neither things present, nor things to come can separate.
 
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Re: Once Saved, Not Yet Saved Is a Doctrine of Devils

Real quick I left a osas church that was my first church because I believe the doctorine lead to 2 sucicides, adulterous affairs the pastor tied to get me to do free work at his house. It also lead to my deep depression because my actions didn't match following jesus but I had no motavation to stop because I was saved. I was really addicted to porn my wife begged me to stop but I had no disire to change because I was saved.
Currenly I am attending a church that takes James 2:24 literally faith without works is dead my life was instantly transformed when I put this into action

rememeber even the devil believes jesus is God
 

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Don't give us any garbage about eternal security causing sin. Eternal Security is your only hope for escaping sin.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

I grew up in a church that didn't teach eternal security, & sin abounded in that church.
But since I trusted Christ to actually save me, I have never wanted to sin because of His faithfulness to keep me saved. Rather, I have gratitude as a result & want to please Him. The love of Christ constrains me.

John 3
even so must the Son of man be lifted up; that whosoever believes may in him have eternal life.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believes on him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. He who believes on him is not judged: he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed on the name of the only Son of God. . . .

He who believes on the Son has eternal life;

John 5:24
24 Verily, verily, I say to you, He who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 6
Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life: he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes on me shall never thirst. But I said to you, that you have seen me, and yet believe not. All that which the Father gives me shall come to me; and him who comes to me I will in no wise cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that of all that which he has given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who who beholds the Son
and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Verily, verily, I say to you, He who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down out of heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever.

John 10
But you do not believe because you are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and
I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, . . . .
 

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As long as the enemies of the gospel keep starting new threads over & over with deceitful titles which advertise lies, they should expect threads that proclaim the truth in the title.

I give them eternal life & THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH.

He Who began a good work in you will complete it.
 

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DENYING ETERNAL SECURITY IS A DOCTRINE OF DEVILS.

There is the corrected thread title.

Teaching any other gospel gets the anathema (Galatians 1).
You heretics can stop quoting Heb 6 without going through 6:9 where it is explained.

The inheritance is incorruptible & undefiled,
reserved in Heaven,
believers are kept by the power of God.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
 
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Re: DENYING ETERNAL SECURITY IS A DOCTRINE OF DEVILS.

There is the corrected thread title.

Teaching any other gospel gets the anathema (Galatians 1).
You heretics can stop quoting Heb 6 without going through 6:9 where it is explained.

The inheritance is incorruptible & undefiled,
reserved in Heaven,
believers are kept by the power of God.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
and why don't you read the whole chapter and put emphasis on
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And we desire that every one of you show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end,
[SUP]12 [/SUP]that ye be not slothful, but followers of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

believers are kept by the power of God......through faith.....quoting only a piece of the verse is misleading...and not a representation of truth....
 

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DENYING ONCE SAVED, SAVED; IS A DOCTRINE OF DEVILS!

DENYING ONCE SAVED, SAVED; IS A DOCTRINE OF DEVILS.

"Once saved, saved" is the doctrine that when the Lord Jesus saves a man, why the man is saved!
He has eternal life; he never perishes. The Lord Jesus lives up to the name Yehoshua' He is YHWH (Yeho-) and He saves (shua'). He saves His people from their sins.

Rev 3:5 promises the Overcomer that his name will never be blotted out. And 1 John tells us that it is the Believer who is the Overcomer!

The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and
I will never blot his name out of the book of life.
I will confess his name before my Father…

1 John 5:4-5
For whatsoever is begotten of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And
who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes

that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.


Don't give us any garboocho about eternal security causing sin. Eternal Security is your only hope for escaping sin.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

I grew up in a church that didn't teach eternal security, & sin abounded in that church.
But since I trusted Christ to actually save me, I have never wanted to sin because of His faithfulness to keep me saved. Rather, I have gratitude as a result & want to please Him. The love of Christ constrains me.

John 3
even so must the Son of man be lifted up; that whosoever believes may in him have eternal life.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whosoever believes on him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him. He who believes on him is not judged: he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed on the name of the only Son of God. . . .

He who believes on the Son has eternal life;

John 5:24
24 Verily, verily, I say to you, He who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 6
Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life: he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes on me shall never thirst. But I said to you, that you have seen me, and yet believe not. All that which the Father gives me shall come to me; and him who comes to me I will in no wise cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that of all that which he has given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who who beholds the Son and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Verily, verily, I say to you, He who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down out of heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever.

John 10
But you do not believe because you are not of my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and
I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, . . . .
 

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REDUCING SALVATION TO "GIVEN A CHANCE" IS A DEVIL DOCTRINE

I GIVE THEM ETERNAL LIFE, & THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH

HE WHO BEGAN A GOOD WORK IN YOU, WILL COMPLETE IT.

Once saved always saved does that mean
What it means is: Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for
HE SHALL SAVE HIS PEOPLE FROM THEIR SINS!

This is an Antichrist gospel.
What is Antichrist is to deny the efficacy of the Lord Jesus as a Savior, to deny that He saves His people from their sins.

Hebrews 6
The punch line is 6:9:

9 But, beloved, we are persuaded
better things
of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak"

The apostates were never saved. As 1 John 2 tells us, those who are in the Body of Christ do not depart, and departure indicates that a local church member was never part of the Body of Christ, even if he got dunked in water & joined the church.


2nd Peter 2:20-23

does not even mention salvation at all. And as in all the Bible , in no verse do the words lose & salvation both occurs. You can turn over a new leaf & start to live an apparently moral life without being saved. Then you may go back to your pollutions. The solution to the pollution is to have a Savior Who saves you from your sins.

Scripture does not say that Ananias & Sapphira were saved, nor that they trusted the Lord Jesus as Savior.

As is so typical, those unbelievers who deny that the Lord Jesus actually saves anyone in this life, claiming that He is a chance-giver
quote passages where save, Savior, & salvation don't occur. Matthew 12:43-45 is one such passage. Being delivered from demon-possession by the Lord Jesus does not imply saved.

"Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

1) The passage concerns enduring the hardships of the tribulation until Christ returns; it is not about being saved from sin.
2) Eternal Security is the doctrine that the saved do endure to the end; by Christ's power & promise to save His people from their sin.

We pay for sin the wages of it is hell fire and brimstone not heaven wrong H.

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death!!!"

Your wage or payment is hell fire and brimstone not life.
And that is precisely where you will be if you don't trust the Savior with your destiny. Christ paid for our sins on the cross, as going through the punishment of the Lake of Fire for us as our substitute.

I read in Romans 1 that there was no once saved always saved for these people who knew God at one point.
If you want to discuss salvation, you need to quote passages on topic. "Knew God" is not salvation. One is never saved in the Bible merely for sensing the existence of God & for being aware of His existence.

To be saved:

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ & you shall be saved. For whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Speaking of the devil being saved is nonsense. Christ didn't die for the devil, but for men. Salvation is never offered to demons in the Bible.

Galatians 2:[17] But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
[18] For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make [= prove] myself a transgressor.
sunistano = to provide evidence of a personal characteristic or claim through action,demonstrate, show, bring out


19 For I through the law died unto the law, that I might live unto God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ liveth in me: and that life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith which is in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me. 21 I do not make void the grace of God: for if righteousness is through the law, then Christ died for nought.


Galatians says nothing about losing salvation. Trying to achieve righteousness by doing good works such as the Law prescribes, makes God's grace void! Righteousness comes by Christ's substitutionary death for the sinner who believes in the Savior.

For by grace [free gift]

you have been saved [not just given a chance]

through faith [trust in the Savior]

and that not of yourselves,
NOT OF WORKS,
lest anyone should boast. Eph 2
 
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Armini3

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romans ch11 vs 11-24 once saved always saved clearly disproved here...
 
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Chuckt

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romans ch11 vs 11-24 once saved always saved clearly disproved here...
Verse 11 is talking about the Jewish Nation of Israel.

It isn't about the church.
 
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Armini3

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the wild olive tree is jew an greek an some jews were broken off due to unbelief an the greek were partakers grafted in among them an partakers of the root