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Can the word of God contradict itself? Yes or no?
Let me ask you this.
John said anyone who lives in sin has never seen good or known him.
Who would not be included in the words "anyone?
Are we to believe that as soon as we accept Jesus in our lives that our salvation is secure? Again people are quick to run to the Apostle Paul’s writing, grabbing a couple of verse that preachers have grossly mistaught. And they have built a false teaching regarding “once saved always saved”. Just as you freely accepted Jesus in your life you can also freely choose to stop serving him. Jesus said with his own mouth; (Matt. 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord. People are being taught that once you are quote “saved” that you can never fall to the spiritually lost condition. This is not true and totally unbiblical; this teaching is a damnable heresy brought in by man. To teach someone that all they have to do is believe on Christ and you are saved is a doctrine of the devil. Many who teach eternal security teach that once a man is saved no matter how wicked he becomes he is still saved. Thus the teaching “once saved always saved”. Then you asked them what are you saved from? Or how did you obtain your salvation? And most cannot answer these questions. Some even say that sense I have been “saved” I am living a sinless life.
(1John:1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. According to bible you can’t be living a sinless life, because if you make such a statement, you just lied
Paul said in (1Cor. 15:1-2) (v.1) MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (v.2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Paul is telling you right here that you are saved by the gospel that he preached unto you if you keep it in memory. So what happens if you don’t keep it in memory? Then you have believed in vain you have believed for nothing that’s what vain means
(1John:1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. According to bible you can’t be living a sinless life, because if you make such a statement, you just lied
Paul said in (1Cor. 15:1-2) (v.1) MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (v.2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Paul is telling you right here that you are saved by the gospel that he preached unto you if you keep it in memory. So what happens if you don’t keep it in memory? Then you have believed in vain you have believed for nothing that’s what vain means
- Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
The doctrine of eternal security teaches that once a person experiences salvation, nothing can cause him to lose that status. Millard J. Erickson states: “The Calvinist position is both clear and forthright on this matter: ‘They, whom God hath accepted in His Beloved, effectually called, and sanctified by His Spirit, can neither totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace, but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally saved’ ” (Westminster Confession of Faith 17.1).[SUP]2[/SUP]
- Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Sorry to put this up here but some hold fast to this doctrine of man
[SIZE=+2]DOCTRINE OF ETERNAL SECURITY[/SIZE]
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1Pet.1:5 "who are protected by the power of God through faith (saving) for a deliverance (Rapture) ready to be revealed in the last time." - The logical approach.
- If salvation is by grace through faith, then works are ruled out either as a means of salvation or as a means for its security, Eph.2:8,9.
- If the new birth constitutes us as "sons", then our failings cannot change who our "parents" are, Jn.1:12,13.
- The a fortiori argument: since God did the most for us when we were His enemies, how will He do less (keep us saved) as sons, Rom.5: 9,10,15,17,20.
- The positional truth approach.
- Direct statement, Rom.8:1.
- The love of God for the believer is equal to God's love for His natural Son, Rom.8:38,39; cp. Eph.1:58, especially vs.6.
- We already share Christ's resurrection, Eph.2:6.
- The head cannot repudiate members of the body and continue to have a complete body, 1Cor.12: 13,21.
- The family approach, Gal.3:26 "For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus"; cp. Jn.3.
- The Greek tense approach, Act.16:31 "Believe (aor.act.imper.) in the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved (fut.pass.ind.)."
- The typological approach.
- Noah's ark, 1Pet.3:20,21.
- The Red Sea crossing, 1Cor.10:1,2.
- The breastplate attached to the ephod, Ex.28:22-28 (emphasizes security via the elaborate procedure for tying the uniform together: gold rings, chains, and a blue cord).
- The approach from Christ's current ministry, seated at the right hand of God, to believers.
- Mediatorship implies a go-between and is based on the Cross, Gal.3:20; 1Tim.2:5 (He represents both parties and, being perfect, He secures a settlement equally suitable to both parties); Heb.8:6; 9:15; 12:24.
- He is our advocate with the Father, 1Jn.2:2; cp. Rev.2:10 (Satan is unsuccessful).
- His intercessory work covers us for Phase 2 sins, Rom.8:31-34; Heb.7:2325; Lk.22:31-34 (for Peter).
- The experiential approach, 2Tim.2:12,13.
- We can deny Him in reversionism, but He cannot deny us salvation, since He cannot go back on a promise, vs.13.
- He can deny us surpassing grace blessings in Phase 3 (SG3), vs.12.
- The ministry of the Holy Spirit approach.
- Regeneration, 1Pet.1:22-25. We are born of incorruptible seed (the gospel), not corruptible, therefore we cannot die, Jn.11:26b.
- Indwelling, Rom.8:9; 1Jn.2:27. This is down payment or earnest on our resurrection body, 2Cor.1:22.
- Baptism, see point II.
- Sealing, 2Cor.1:21,22; Eph.1:13,14; 4:30. We are sealed with respect to the day of redemption.
- The essence of God approach.
- Sovereignty, 2Pet.3:9 "not willing..."; Eph1:58; cp. Rom.8:2830.
- Love, Rom.8:38,39; Jn.3:16.
- Immutability, 2Tim.2:13; cp. Jn.3:16; 5:24; 6:37; 10:28.
- Veracity cannot lie, Ti.1:2.
- Omnipotence, Jn.10:28; 6:39; 1Pet.1:5; Jd.1 "To those who are the called, beloved in God the Father, and kept for Jesus Christ."
- Omniscience, Act.15:8. God is called o` kardiognw,sthj, ho kardiognostes; He "knows the heart" with respect to Cornelius and his household's conversion, cp.Jn.10:14.
- Omnipresence, Ps.139, the example of Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch.
- Righteousness, the doctrine of imputation, which is forensic and irreversible, Rom.4:38; cp. Ps.32:2.
- Eternal Life, Jn.3:15,16; 4:13,14 "Jesus answered and said to her, 'Everyone who drinks of this water shall thirst again; but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall become in him a well of living water springing up to eternal life'"; Jn.5:24,39; 6:39,40,47,54; 10:28; 17:2,3.
- Justice. Christ died for all sins for all people, 1Jn.2:2.
- Problem passages can be explained due to a confusion of Phase 2 and Phase 3 grace with Phase 1, Jn15:6; Gal.5:4; Rev.22:19.
- Christ's prayer for eternal security of the royal family presents an area of His intercessory work, Jn.17:2,6,9,11,12,24. He prays for us and this is one of the things He prays for. Jd.24,25 "Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling (reversionism), and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen."
- Soteriological (salvation) approach.
- Since all sins were judged at the Cross, sins cannot undo our salvation, Ps.103:12; Isa.1:18; cp. Isa.53.
- Since Old Testament saints had righteousness (+R) by faith (Gen.15:6; cp. Rom.4:3), their unbelief was not imputed to Him (Ps.32:2; cp. Rom.4:68).
- Belief in Christ was the basis for salvation, Gen.15:6; Isa.28:16; Jn.3:5; 1Pet.2:6.
- "And all who take refuge in Him will not be ashamed", Ps.34:22.
- The believer himself can do nothing to negate the salvation adjustment to the justice of God, Rom.8:39 "nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
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The problem that many are having has to do with what Christ did to sin on the cross. Did He crucify all sin and put it away or did he do something else. Christ put away sin through His death, burial and resurrection so that man could approach God by faith through His Son without sin being the issue. Sinful man can only come to the Father through Jesus Christ and what He did on the cross. There is no other salvation, redemption, cleansing or forgiveness of sin accept through the finished work of the cross (John 19:30). If the Son put away sin and we can come to God by faith through Christ to be saved and cleansed from sin, then once we have been cleansed through faith, we can continue to come to God for all things. If He is able to keep what we commit to Him (2Tim 1:12), how much greater is He at keeping us justified and seated together in Christ (Rom 16:25, 1Peter 1:5, Eph 2:4-8), complete and hid with Christ in God (Col 2:10, 3:3,10)?
Rom 8:32-34
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Rom 8:32-34
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
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Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found;
Was blind, but now I see
I then got lost, and then re-found;
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That re-saved a wretch like me!
Went blind again, but now re-see
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found;
Was blind, but now I see
I then got lost, and then re-found;
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That re-saved a wretch like me!
Went blind again, but now re-see
Rinse and repeat until death do ye part.
And let's hope it's the first verse ya singing with yer last breath.
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found;
Was blind, but now I see
I then got lost, and then re-found;
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That re-saved a wretch like me!
Went blind again, but now re-see
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found;
Was blind, but now I see
I then got lost, and then re-found;
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That re-saved a wretch like me!
Went blind again, but now re-see
Rinse and repeat until death do ye part.
And let's hope it's the first verse ya singing with yer last breath.
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found;
Was blind, but now I see
I then got lost, and then re-found;
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That re-saved a wretch like me!
Went blind again, but now re-see
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found;
Was blind, but now I see
I then got lost, and then re-found;
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That re-saved a wretch like me!
Went blind again, but now re-see
Rinse and repeat until death do ye part.
And let's hope it's the first verse ya singing with yer last breath.
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found;
Was blind, but now I see
I then got lost, and then re-found;
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That re-saved a wretch like me!
Went blind again, but now re-see
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me!
I once was lost, but now am found;
Was blind, but now I see
I then got lost, and then re-found;
Amazing grace! How sweet the sound
That re-saved a wretch like me!
Went blind again, but now re-see
Rinse and repeat until death do ye part.
And let's hope it's the first verse ya singing with yer last breath.
read your bible pray everyday pray everyday pray everyday
and you will grow grow grow
neglect your bible forget to pray forget to pray forget to pray
neglect your bible forget to pray forget to pray forget to pray
and you will shrink shrink shrink
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Im not sure that I believe once saved always saved. Doesnt that imply that all you have to do is confess Christ, and you can live any kind of way and expect God to have grace for that??
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
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Once Saved Always Saved is biblical. Eternal Security is a biblical doctrine. Now let me guess, are you one of these people that believe that you can be saved and then be lost, and then be saved again and then be lost again and on and on? I have never heard a preacher who believed in eternal security say that once a Christian is saved that he can live anyway he wants to live and be as wicked as he chooses to be. It is religious folks who like to cause a new born again to doubt his eternal security by telling him that he can lose his salvation. I am going to show you from the Holy Scriptures that a Christian in this dispensation known as the Church Age cannot lose his salvation. Here are the Scriptures:
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. - John 3:36
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son - 1 John 5:11
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God - 1 John 5:11
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:33-39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. - John 6:39
That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none. - John 18:9
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, - Ephesians 1:13
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. - Ephesians 4:30
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. - John 6:47
When you get saved, the Holy Spirit baptizes you into Christ's body. Therefore our salvation is not ours to lose. Remember that salvation is a gift. And also remember that God is not an Indian giver. Once you are born again, you cannot be unborn again.
Also notice that both Ephesians 1:13 and Ephesians 4:30 says that we are sealed by the Holy Spirit. And as Ephesians 4:30 says, we are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Now, if a Christian does sin, even though his sins have already been forgiven, he still will have to reap the consequences.
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. - Galatians 6:7
If a Christian becomes so carnal that he commits fornication after fornication and so on, he will not lose his salvation. Now while he cannot lose his salvation, he can still lose his testimony, his joy, his fellowship with God the Father, his health, his money, and even his life. But not only that, this Christian man can also lose his eternal rewards at the Judgement Seat of Christ and his millennial inheritance. So, while a Christian man or woman in this dispensation known as the Church Age cannot lose their salvation, they can still lose a lot of other things.
Oh and by the way, that verse that you took from Matthew.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. - Matthew 24:13
That verse is talking about the Tribulation also known as the Time of Jacobs Trouble. And no Christian will be here for that. Since it is not the Church's trouble, but rather the time of Jacob's trouble.
Many pastors who attack the doctrine of Eternal Security usually are men who have not learned how to rightly divide their Bible. There are divisions in the Bible. There are dispensations in the Bible, and when you rightly divide them, there is no confusion. The confusion comes, when people try to take a verse from one dispensation and apply it doctrinally to another dispensation.
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. - John 3:36
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son - 1 John 5:11
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God - 1 John 5:11
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:33-39
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. - John 6:39
That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none. - John 18:9
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, - Ephesians 1:13
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. - Ephesians 4:30
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. - John 6:47
When you get saved, the Holy Spirit baptizes you into Christ's body. Therefore our salvation is not ours to lose. Remember that salvation is a gift. And also remember that God is not an Indian giver. Once you are born again, you cannot be unborn again.
Also notice that both Ephesians 1:13 and Ephesians 4:30 says that we are sealed by the Holy Spirit. And as Ephesians 4:30 says, we are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Now, if a Christian does sin, even though his sins have already been forgiven, he still will have to reap the consequences.
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. - Galatians 6:7
If a Christian becomes so carnal that he commits fornication after fornication and so on, he will not lose his salvation. Now while he cannot lose his salvation, he can still lose his testimony, his joy, his fellowship with God the Father, his health, his money, and even his life. But not only that, this Christian man can also lose his eternal rewards at the Judgement Seat of Christ and his millennial inheritance. So, while a Christian man or woman in this dispensation known as the Church Age cannot lose their salvation, they can still lose a lot of other things.
Oh and by the way, that verse that you took from Matthew.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. - Matthew 24:13
That verse is talking about the Tribulation also known as the Time of Jacobs Trouble. And no Christian will be here for that. Since it is not the Church's trouble, but rather the time of Jacob's trouble.
Many pastors who attack the doctrine of Eternal Security usually are men who have not learned how to rightly divide their Bible. There are divisions in the Bible. There are dispensations in the Bible, and when you rightly divide them, there is no confusion. The confusion comes, when people try to take a verse from one dispensation and apply it doctrinally to another dispensation.
first of all, none of the verses you have listed prove your point. Nothing is said about Christians who turn their backs on Christ and decide that they do not want to live the Christian life any longer and completely reject Christ. Of course we have eternal security but that eternal security is conditional. Please note first John 1:7–9. The blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin if we walk In the light. Again if we walk in the light. That little two letter word , if, often gets overlooked.
Matthew 24:13 means exactly what it says. He is addressing all Christians. There is the Mosaic dispensation, and the New Testament dispensation which became effective when Christ died on the cross. That's it. You are over complicating the Bible when you start talking about various dispensations such as "the time of Jacobs trouble" whatever that means.
Galatians 54 says it if we try to be justified by the law we have fallen from Grace. You can't fall from someplace you have never been. Paul is obviously addressing Christians here.
once saved always saved is a dangerous and deadly false doctrine.
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I realize this is an old thread, however I wanted to address this particular post since some of these items are still being discussed.
first of all, none of the verses you have listed prove your point. Nothing is said about Christians who turn their backs on Christ and decide that they do not want to live the Christian life any longer and completely reject Christ. Of course we have eternal security but that eternal security is conditional. Please note first John 1:7–9. The blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin if we walk In the light. Again if we walk in the light. That little two letter word , if, often gets overlooked.
Matthew 24:13 means exactly what it says. He is addressing all Christians. There is the Mosaic dispensation, and the New Testament dispensation which became effective when Christ died on the cross. That's it. You are over complicating the Bible when you start talking about various dispensations such as "the time of Jacobs trouble" whatever that means.
Galatians 54 says it if we try to be justified by the law we have fallen from Grace. You can't fall from someplace you have never been. Paul is obviously addressing Christians here.
once saved always saved is a dangerous and deadly false doctrine.
first of all, none of the verses you have listed prove your point. Nothing is said about Christians who turn their backs on Christ and decide that they do not want to live the Christian life any longer and completely reject Christ. Of course we have eternal security but that eternal security is conditional. Please note first John 1:7–9. The blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin if we walk In the light. Again if we walk in the light. That little two letter word , if, often gets overlooked.
Matthew 24:13 means exactly what it says. He is addressing all Christians. There is the Mosaic dispensation, and the New Testament dispensation which became effective when Christ died on the cross. That's it. You are over complicating the Bible when you start talking about various dispensations such as "the time of Jacobs trouble" whatever that means.
Galatians 54 says it if we try to be justified by the law we have fallen from Grace. You can't fall from someplace you have never been. Paul is obviously addressing Christians here.
once saved always saved is a dangerous and deadly false doctrine.
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Im not sure that I believe once saved always saved. Doesnt that imply that all you have to do is confess Christ, and you can live any kind of way and expect God to have grace for that??
No it does not, but there are those who do not understand the nature of God that would like you and others to think of it that way. When a sinner believes in the cross of Christ, they are forgiven and cleansed from sin and the HOLY SPIRIT comes to indwell the believer. God's Holy Spirit indwelling a sinful man. Do you think that would have no effect upon how a person lives their life? Is it not the Holy Spirit that brings conviction into the mind and heart? Many have tried to live their own lives after they believed and they had no rest in doing so. The Spirit was constantly lusting after the flesh and the flesh after the Spirit... Gal 5:17...
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
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we are only guaranteed eternal security if we "walk in the light". See first John 1:7–9. Those that believe once saved always saved always overlook this two letter word.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
We can see from this passage that Paul addresses believers in Corinth who are babes in Christ, yet, they are NOT spiritual but are carnal. They have problems with envying, strife and divisions which are all of the flesh and not of the Spirit and walk as natural men. You can't say from this passage that they are walking in the light, however, Paul never questions their salvation or eternal security and refers to them as babes in Christ not being able to be fed with meat but only milk from the word. If you read the rest of the chapter Paul deals with these issues they are having. The believers at Corinth are part of the body of Christ members one of another and that can't be denied (1 Cor 12, Rom 12:5).
1 Cor 3:1-3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
We can see from this passage that Paul addresses believers in Corinth who are babes in Christ, yet, they are NOT spiritual but are carnal. They have problems with envying, strife and divisions which are all of the flesh and not of the Spirit and walk as natural men. You can't say from this passage that they are walking in the light, however, Paul never questions their salvation or eternal security and refers to them as babes in Christ not being able to be fed with meat but only milk from the word. If you read the rest of the chapter Paul deals with these issues they are having. The believers at Corinth are part of the body of Christ members one of another and that can't be denied (1 Cor 12, Rom 12:5).
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
We can see from this passage that Paul addresses believers in Corinth who are babes in Christ, yet, they are NOT spiritual but are carnal. They have problems with envying, strife and divisions which are all of the flesh and not of the Spirit and walk as natural men. You can't say from this passage that they are walking in the light, however, Paul never questions their salvation or eternal security and refers to them as babes in Christ not being able to be fed with meat but only milk from the word. If you read the rest of the chapter Paul deals with these issues they are having. The believers at Corinth are part of the body of Christ members one of another and that can't be denied (1 Cor 12, Rom 12:5).
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Henry C. Thiessen further states: “Concerning such it affirms that they shall ‘never totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace.’ This is not equivalent to saying that they shall never backslide, never fall into sin, and never fail to show forth the praises of Him Who has called them out of darkness into His marvelous light. It merely means that they will never totally fall away from the state of grace into which they have been brought, nor fail to return from their backsliding in the end.”[SUP]3[/SUP]
The problem that many are having has to do with what Christ did to sin on the cross. Did He crucify all sin and put it away or did he do something else. Christ put away sin through His death, burial and resurrection so that man could approach God by faith through His Son without sin being the issue. Sinful man can only come to the Father through Jesus Christ and what He did on the cross. There is no other salvation, redemption, cleansing or forgiveness of sin accept through the finished work of the cross (John 19:30). If the Son put away sin and we can come to God by faith through Christ to be saved and cleansed from sin, then once we have been cleansed through faith, we can continue to come to God for all things. If He is able to keep what we commit to Him (2Tim 1:12), how much greater is He at keeping us justified and seated together in Christ (Rom 16:25, 1Peter 1:5, Eph 2:4-8), complete and hid with Christ in God (Col 2:10, 3:3,10)?
Rom 8:32-34
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Rom 8:32-34
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
[h=3]Romans 3:24-26[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Some scribe will twist this one too
2 Peter 1:9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
B
This is what happens when someone let their friend who does not study do their homework they both fail.
So sad they study Calvin and Thiessen more than the scripture
So sad they study Calvin and Thiessen more than the scripture