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So you have no proof of your false accusations, as with the others who also falsely accuse. Perhaps you people should think before you accuse, or at least have some sort of proof of your accusations. Just a word to the wise. :)

I conclude that you actually ARE sitting on that sword...

just ridiculous you people who think you are above everyone else and make threats and religious sounding posts

yuck yuck yuck
 

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So you have no proof of your false accusations, as with the others who also falsely accuse. Perhaps you people should think before you accuse, or at least have some sort of proof of your accusations. Just a word to the wise. :)
I see only questions from Blain, not accusations. I also see you evading his questions and not answering them. :)
 

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So you have no proof of your false accusations, as with the others who also falsely accuse. Perhaps you people should think before you accuse, or at least have some sort of proof of your accusations. Just a word to the wise. :)
If you do not want to answer my questions then I will tell you the answer I came up with as I grew in faith.
I became a Christian having no one to teach me how to be one or what it meant to be one I went directly to God himself. I wanted to know what it means to be a Christian what it meant to be strong what true strength is, he was not slow in showing me the answers I sought.

For me it isn't enough to be saved it isn't enough for me to have a place in heaven, I was given a gift I was given salvation but what do I intend to do with that gift? I seek to be strong but if the hearts motives and reasons for being strong is not right then they can only be strong to a certain point and won't know what real strength is. Jesus showed true strength he showed mercy and kindness love and compassion when no one else would he knew how great he was he knew that he was a mighty kind and if anything we should be serving him washing his feet instead of the other way around but look what he did him the king of all kings fully knowing who he was lowered himself to our level to serve us not the other way around.

I am not a Christian just to be one just to have salvation the fire that burns in my heart burns for the sake of others and out love for others, if I am to be strong if I am to keep going no matter how times I fall down it will never be about me or for me. I swore when I saved I would be love above all else that I would be strong for the very reason he was for the very reason the fire burns in his eyes so strongly. true strength is only found and known when you seek to be strong and when you fight for others not for yourself. my blade the blade that I bear not the bible blade but the blade my heart and soul bears the blade that my words my actions are is not one to cut down it is to protect.

my blade is not to be right is not to be perfect and sinless it is not to be a great christian and isn't about me at all, mine is to build up is to serve to show love and to show fathers heart when no one else will it is to comfort and wrap my arms around the wounded the hurting it is show mercy when otherwise would have been slaughter. The blade that you seem to bear is not like mine and mine is far from perfect but even so yours is not about God it isn't about others it isn't about love, yours seems to be more for cutting down.
 
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But this never happens to one who is kept by Jesus. I pet 1.4-5
Like a horse? Luther imagined GOD riding believers like horse because he denied free will. Funny how the witness in scripture of free will and man's responsibility gets ignored.

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world. James 1:27

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keeps himself, and that wicked one touches him not. 1 John 5:18
 
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And you still sin, so that makes you a servant of sin - doesn't it?


John 8:35
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,

Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. (1 John:3:4)

John 3:8 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed (1 John 3:9)

Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,
but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous,
even as he is righteous. (1 John 3:10)

Speaks of when ye were the servants of sin


 

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It's their false beliefs that contradict scripture, that why they hate me for speaking the Truth. :)
well, Christians are not supposed to hate anyone. also, try telling the truth sometimes, see how that works out for you. i'll start. me, you and everyone else on planet earth are sinners. and God sent his Son to die for all of us. we BELIEVE in the risen Savoir, and are saved because we BELIEVE. there is truth.
 

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It's their false beliefs that contradict scripture, that why they hate me for speaking the Truth. :)
No one here hates you. You don't have listen my answers to the questions I asked you and I am in no way better than you not do I see myself any better of a believer or person. All I want is for you to ask yourself these questions search your heart and seek the answers.

anyone who asks themselves why they are a Christian what true strength is what their blade they wield is what it's for is beyond wise in my book
 
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I see only questions from Blain, not accusations. I also see you evading his questions and not answering them. :)
He said my statement was wrong, so I gave him the opportunity to prove it, which he did not, but rather avoided it with a fluffy speech. I tend to stay away from arguments with those who make accusations but without proving such accusations as true. Clearly what he claimed was wrong in my statement was not based on any proof he had, but rather just his own opinionated hatred for the one who said it.

By the way, why is it when I speak out against ongoing sin, and also the doctrine of truly being set free from sin (as Jesus also said), I am then attacked personally by many false accusations? Think about that, and also think about what spirit could be behind that motivation to personally attack a poster and bring false accusations.

If you guys don't believe the scriptures I post that's your choice. But there is no need to bring false accusation against me or others who do believe them, and also speak them. :)
 
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John 8:35
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,

Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. (1 John:3:4)

John 3:8 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed (1 John 3:9)

Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,
but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Romans 6:20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous,
even as he is righteous. (1 John 3:10)

Speaks of when ye were the servants of sin


Ah, someone who knows the Truth. :)
 
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well, Christians are not supposed to hate anyone. also, try telling the truth sometimes, see how that works out for you.
Show me where I did not speak the truth? Unless of course these are more false accusations. :)
 
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It's their false beliefs that contradict scripture, that why they hate me for speaking the Truth. :)
That was a little spoof on what was similarly said "to me" (in respects to a verse I quoted contradicted the scripture) not really for you (per' se') just something I thought was funny.

In other words, the scripture contradicted the scripture (when I felt I was confirming it)

But he did say,

John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you,

The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

The doctrine, the words of God, by abiding in Christ.


 

valiant

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It's their false beliefs that contradict scripture, that why they hate me for speaking the Truth. :)
which Scripture do these contradict?

'All that the Father gives to Me will come to Me, and him who comes to Me I will in no wise cast out. For I am come down from Heaven not to do my own will, but the will of Him Who sent
Me. And this is the will of Him Who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the Last Day,' (John 6.37-39)


But you do not believe (My Father's works) because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice and I know them, and they follow Me, and I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and none shall pluck them from My hand. My Father who gave them to Me is greater than all, and no one IS ABLE to pluck them out of the Father's hand. I and my Father are one (John 10.27-30).


All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, being accounted as righteous by His grace FREELY through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith by His blood (Rom 3,23-25).


'Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you, so that you come behind in no gift, waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,who will also confirm you unto the end, that you might be unreproveable in the Day of our Lord Jesus Christ.' (1 Corinth 1.6-8). (and this the corinthian church!)


'By grace you are saved, through faith, and that (gracious act) not of yourselves, it is the gift of God and not of doings, lest any man should boast, for we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them' (Eph 2.8-10).


'Being confident of this very thing, that he which has begun a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ' (Phil 2.6).


'Who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our doings, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, but now has been manifested by the appearing of our Saviour, Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel (2 Tim 1.9).


I am not ashamed, for I know Him Whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed to Him against that Day (2 Tim 1.12).


But when the kindness of God our Saviour, and His love towards man appeared, not by works done in righteousness which we did ourselves, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, which He poured out upon us richly through Christ Jesus our Saviour, that being justified by His grace we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3.4-7).


Wherein God, being minded to show more abundantly unto the heirs of promise the immutability of His Counsel, interposed with an oath, that by two immutable things in which it is impossible for God to lie we may have a strong encouragement who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us, which we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and entering into that within the veil, whither as a forerunner Jesus entered for us, having become a High Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedek (Heb 7.7-20).


Wherefore He is able to save to the uttermost them that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever lives to make intercession for them (Heb 7.25).


He has perfected for ever those who are being sanctified (Heb 10.14)
 

valiant

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Show me where I did not speak the truth? Unless of course these are more false accusations. :)
you said : It's their false beliefs that contradict scripture, that why they hate me for speaking the Truth. :)

That is not the truth, show me one contradiction in the Scripture I have posted.
 

gb9

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Show me where I did not speak the truth? Unless of course these are more false accusations. :)
whenever you or anyone else implies that one has to be perfect to be saved, that is not true. not true. this pushes people away from, instead of drawing them to him.
 
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no I don't say one has to get saved over an over again its a one time thing the issue is when a believer willfully sins and we all do its the part of the need of repentance and quickly and also turning away form that sin where the conflict comes in this is when a believer puts off repentance for what ever reason(for an example he or she is enjoying that certain sin) an they get repeatedly do it and are entangled in its strong hold and are overcome by it they will be cut off....if they don't repent getting saved is a one time deal its our daily an continued need of confessing our sins is what is being discussed.
 
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That was a little spoof on what was similarly said "to me" (in respects to a verse I quoted contradicted the scripture) not really for you (per' se') just something I thought was funny.

In other words, the scripture contradicted the scripture (when I felt I was confirming it)

But he did say,

John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you,

The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God hearethus; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

The doctrine, the words of God, by abiding in Christ.


A lot of times those who think the scriptures are contradicting the scriptures just don't understanding what the scriptures are saying as a whole. Some take parts and pieces of scripture and build a whole false doctrine on just selective verses, but they exclude certain other verses of scriptures that gives you the complete picture and the whole truth. For instance some will use Romans 7 as a crutch to support ongoing sin, but fail to take into account what Paul said in Romans 6 and 8 of being set free from that condition of being in bondage to sin and a servant of sin. :)
 
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whenever you or anyone else implies that one has to be perfect to be saved, that is not true. not true. this pushes people away from, instead of drawing them to him.
Again, where is the proof of what you claim I said? Where did I say "one has to be perfect to be saved?" You and others are doing nothing more but bearing false witness and bringing unsupported false accusations against me and others. Do you see anything wrong with that?
 

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I did not say you said it, I said you implied it. read the words carefully. if you or anyone implies or says that they are sinless, they are liars. it only takes one sin to make one a sinner. so, if me, you or anyone else sins 1 time after coming to Christ, than we are still sinners. their is no sliding scale.