Once saved, always saved

[mpaper345]

I grew up hearing the phrase that once you are saved, you are always saved. You cannot loose your salvation is that statement true, please help me find scriptures that discuss this topic further.

I forgot to add these scriptures to my post.

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

God would not have to warn us about falling away,and not being right with Him,if it were not possible to fall away,for if it were not possible to fall away,God would not have to warn,and God is warning people that were saved,to take heed,or they could fall away,and miss out on salvation.

Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
Rev 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

We know these people were saved,but Jesus said they have fallen,and unless they repent,they will not be saved.

But some people will say,we may sin,and mess up from time to time,but we will ultimately be right with God,before we depart this earth,and again,God would not have to warn a person can lose salvation,if that were true that they will all be saved despite their messing up,and even Paul said if he did not do right,he would be a castaway.

Ding,ding,ding,and in this corner a certain denomination,that does not preach the whole truth of the Bible,and in this corner,the greatest of all,God,come out fighting,and shouldn't it be God that wins,and not the denomination.

 

[valiant]

I forgot to add these scriptures to my post.

1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

God would not have to warn us about falling away,and not being right with Him,if it were not possible to fall away,for if it were not possible to fall away,God would not have to warn,and God is warning people that were saved,to take heed,or they could fall away,and miss out on salvation.

Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
Rev 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

We know these people were saved,but Jesus said they have fallen,and unless they repent,they will not be saved.

But some people will say,we may sin,and mess up from time to time,but we will ultimately be right with God,before we depart this earth,and again,God would not have to warn a person can lose salvation,if that were true that they will all be saved despite their messing up,and even Paul said if he did not do right,he would be a castaway.

Ding,ding,ding,and in this corner a certain denomination,that does not preach the whole truth of the Bible,and in this corner,the greatest of all,God,come out fighting,and shouldn't it be God that wins,and not the denomination.

they were warnings. But the Scriptures say.;

All that the Father gives to Me will come to Me, and him who comes to Me I will in no wise cast out. For I am come down from Heaven not to do my own will, but the will of Him Who sent
Me. And this is the will of Him Who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the Last Day,' (John 6.37-39)


But you do not believe (My Father's works) because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice and I know them, and they follow Me, and I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and none shall pluck them from My hand. My Father who gave them to Me is greater than all, and no one IS ABLE to pluck them out of the Father's hand. I and my Father are one (John 10.27-30).


All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, being accounted as righteous by His grace FREELY through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, Whom God has set forth to be a propitiation through faith by His blood (Rom 3,23-25).


'Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you, so that you come behind in no gift, waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,who will also confirm you unto the end, that you might be unreproveable in the Day of our Lord Jesus Christ.' (1 Corinth 1.6-8). (and this the corinthian church!)


'By grace you are saved, through faith, and that (gracious act) not of yourselves, it is the gift of God and not of doings, lest any man should boast, for we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them' (Eph 2.8-10).


'Being confident of this very thing, that he which has begun a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ' (Phil 2.6).


'Who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our doings, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, but now has been manifested by the appearing of our Saviour, Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel (2 Tim 1.9).


I am not ashamed, for I know Him Whom I have believed, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed to Him against that Day (2 Tim 1.12).


But when the kindness of God our Saviour, and His love towards man appeared, not by works done in righteousness which we did ourselves, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, which He poured out upon us richly through Christ Jesus our Saviour, that being justified by His grace we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3.4-7).


Wherein God, being minded to show more abundantly unto the heirs of promise the immutability of His Counsel, interposed with an oath, that by two immutable things in which it is impossible for God to lie we may have a strong encouragement who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us, which we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and entering into that within the veil, whither as a forerunner Jesus entered for us, having become a High Priest for ever after the order of Melchisedek (Heb 7.7-20).


Wherefore He is able to save to the uttermost them that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever lives to make intercession for them (Heb 7.25).


He has perfected for ever those who are being sanctified (Heb 10.14)

 

[mikpat]

I love my God, I love Jesus etc——i pray often,,, read the Bible——but last week at an old football party, a person offered some oral sex. Had a few drinks,,,,testosterone level high and the alcohol "enhanced the desire……." I crumbled, gave in, succumbed,,,,,uuuuhhhhh WHAT NEXT?///// AM I DOOMED OR AM I STILL SAVED……….??????

Does the ……"blood of the Lamb" say it's OK. ???????/

 

[mikpat]

Please——-no more 345 biblical phrases———going nowhere———-

What is the answer———-can anybody put it into their own words guided by UUUUhhhhh FAITH AND REASON———-given to us by our Creator….

 

[mikpat]

I think anybody who has to post 30, 40 , lines or more on this topic, forum uuuuuhhhhh laughable…they need reassurance,,, ohhhh Jesus loves me because yeaterday I posted 52 lines of my love——-oooooooOOOOOOOOOOoooo.

 

[willfollowsGod]

Mikpat, I am questioning that you actually were saved in the first place. There are some people who have some form of experience but they do not have a personal relationship with God. You fell, yes. I believe you are stuck in religion based on works and not on the finished work of Jesus death on the cross for your sins. So please repent and accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and sovereign Lord, that he died on the cross for your sins, and rose from the dead on the third day and begin a personal relationship with Jesus today.

Now as for the others, I believe that once saved, always saved is correct since salvation is a gift and is not a work done by man, but a work done by Christ on the cross. Now, to those who give the adulterers do not go to heaven line, they are correct. But that is referring to remaining in that and never accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and sovereign Lord, that he died on the cross for your sins, and rose again from the dead on the third day. I know that there are false conversions too, but those do not negate OSAS, they just indicated they were never saved in the first place, it was a false conversion. The Parable of the Soils shows that out of the four soils, only one is true and rest are false and were never saved in the first place in fact the interpretation of that parable by Jesus is mentioned by a lot of the authors of the gospels and the interpretation does not deny OSAS. As for those who say Lord, Lord... those people were not saved in the first place. Sadly, I find a lot of people misrepresent and misunderstand OSAS. I had a friend like that in community college. Thanks. God bless.

 

[PennEd]

I love my God, I love Jesus etc——i pray often,,, read the Bible——but last week at an old football party, a person offered some oral sex. Had a few drinks,,,,testosterone level high and the alcohol "enhanced the desire……." I crumbled, gave in, succumbed,,,,,uuuuhhhhh WHAT NEXT?///// AM I DOOMED OR AM I STILL SAVED……….??????

Does the ……"blood of the Lamb" say it's OK. ???????/

Yeah... cause 83 yr old men always get offered oral sex at a raucus party!

Methinks I see a banning in your future.

 

[tourist]

I love my God, I love Jesus etc——i pray often,,, read the Bible——but last week at an old football party, a person offered some oral sex. Had a few drinks,,,,testosterone level high and the alcohol "enhanced the desire……." I crumbled, gave in, succumbed,,,,,uuuuhhhhh WHAT NEXT?///// AM I DOOMED OR AM I STILL SAVED……….??????

Does the ……"blood of the Lamb" say it's OK. ???????/

Seriously, I don't see the humor in your disgusting posts.

Please——-no more 345 biblical phrases———going nowhere———-

What is the answer———-can anybody put it into their own words guided by UUUUhhhhh FAITH AND REASON———-given to us by our Creator….

I think anybody who has to post 30, 40 , lines or more on this topic, forum uuuuuhhhhh laughable…they need reassurance,,, ohhhh Jesus loves me because yeaterday I posted 52 lines of my love——-oooooooOOOOOOOOOOoooo.

 

[mikpat]

Apparently the question has led to silly responses and some jocularity, typical answers by the sacrocant, biblical only crowd.

Oh well…….when you put the reality of human behavior in terms of failing——the faith -based salvationists start convulsing.

Oooooooo an 83 year old offered sexual advances oooooooooooo ooooohhh how disgusting——-ooooooooo

———-ha, ha, ha, way to go Tourista ————you will probably be a virgin at 83———

Penned Ed —- uhhhh are you an authority on party activities————-peek into rooms????/

Tourista and PennEd————-real men or whatever of the world———-you two are a joke.

 

[PeterJens]

The answer to the hyper-grace version of faith here is Cornelious.

God deemed him a man of faith and righteousness, because he did the right things, gave to the poor and had faith in God.
Now Peter was called to preach the gospel to him and he was baptised with his family and friends which was the first sign to the Jewish christians that God had real intentions for those outside of being jewish and believers.

For me the point is Cornelious was deemed a man pleasing to God. Now many are preaching that righteousness and purity of are of no regard before the Lord, and those who hold to this position are lost and into works based salvation rather than just being a reflection of Gods heart. And God rather than rebuking this a self righteousness, gives it its due regard as a man after His own heart.

People should take note righteous behaviour is a reflection of who God is, and not self justification.
If your "faith" excuses failure, then you have created a faith of failure and emptiness with no victory or power.
It is love that is our engine. It also appears we have a very vocal minority here who wish to push the everything is done already, so there is no emphasis on how you walk of reflect Jesus's love in your heart and soul.

Now if you claim to encourage righteousness and purity, why do you attack me for doing this very thing?

 

[Grace777x70]

Doing righteous deeds by themselves does not make one righteous. This is having the cart before the horse.

I know there have been "good" people doing "righteous deeds " but they were not belonging to God. Many religions have moral living people in them - all doing "righteous deeds".

Here is how righteousness is manifested in a believer....we need to be righteousness conscious...not sin-conscious...we have a new creation in Christ now!

This "righteousness " that we already have now in our new creation ( the inner man ) is because we are in Christ - will manifest outwardly in doing righteous deeds - but we need the "horse" in front first.

The "horse" being Christ's righteousness in us because of our being in Christ in our inner man..our new creation in Christ.

Awake to who you are in Christ!..Awake to righteousness and sin not..when you see who you are in Him in your new man..you become like Him outwardly.

2 Corinthians 3:17-18 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.


Hebrews 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant.

Romans 5:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 54:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "In righteousness you will be established; You will be far from oppression, for you will not fear; And from terror, for it will not come near you.

2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

When you see who you are in Christ because of His finished work...you become outwardly in behavior what you are truly like in your new inner man where Christ dwells.

 

[ExtraOrdinary]

I grew up hearing the phrase that once you are saved, you are always saved. You cannot loose your salvation is that statement true, please help me find scriptures that discuss this topic further.

It is one of those questions that comes up a lot in discussion and causes a mixed opinion between some Christians. I don't actually know the truth. My own experience is that Jesus rescues me when I fall short. He picked me up out of the gutter at one point. He has been faithful to me and my response is awe and humbling and it makes me love Jesus even more . I believe we our selves place sin between us and God and Jesus 's promise is he will never leave us and he will run after us. His love is so great for us, we can't quite fathom it..
However I do believe we have a choice and we can choose to turn our backs on Jesus through sin and allowing that devil to blind us. If we know Jesus though and have experienced him and have him in our hearts, the Holy Spirit rebukes us and we realise this, then we can repent and turn back as we know Jesus and know there is nothing better than him and we love him because of His love for us. Once experienced it is something you long for and seek for . So if a person totally gives into sin and the devil and turns his/ her back away from Jesus, refusing to turn to him, did that person know Jesus in the first place? He/she may have been saved but then didnt receive the teaching or and stayed at first bass and never grew in the Lord . That is why it is so important to nurture young Christians . As Christians we need to be aware of our responsibilities, moving obediently in the spirit to encourage and build up .Eternally is a long time, we should be thinking where do we want to spend it and where we want our loves ones to spend it. There should be more prayer for others as our love in Christ for them and the knowledge of heaven being our destination and a privileged inheritance

 

[PeterJens]

Doing righteous deeds by themselves does not make one righteous. This is having the cart before the horse.

This kind of language is miss-leading. It is a straw man, saying that deeds are regarded in a particular way and not in another way.

In reality a good deed is just that, a good deed. Somewhere along the line of some thinking, a good deed becomes evil. Once you start thinking like this you have just left morality and relationships behind. It is why evil people do good things and good people do evil things. Actions are their own reference point. Once the focus goes off the deeds onto the individual doing them, you get into the world of the end justifies the means and evil people doing evil things can be regarded as acceptable.

Now it is a subtle switch and very deceptive, but it is the basis of hyper-grace theology. It is also why many christians are responding is shock at grace being turned into calling good deeds and good christians into evil people. Now we know non-christians do this all the time, but from "spiritual" people who claim to know what love is, it is plain delusion. At its core there is a belief that "religion" is good deeds being done as self righteousness or self justification which is the "evil" in the church, rather than being it is evil calling good actions "evil" because of some self defined reference points.

In scripture you will find condemnation of people saying because of our allegiance to this or that group we are acceptable to God rather than walking in righteousness and a relationship with the living Father.

What is also obvious these people are so concerned at this "evil" they will go to great efforts to condemn and isolate those who oppose their polarising doctrine, claiming they are speaking the truth and their opponents are the enemy. No surprise there then.

By their fruit you will know them. Who they condemn shows their moral high ground. If their enemies are good people who are their friends?

 

[PeterJens]

Dear reader,

I do not expect a proper response. Just pointing out scripture in their eyes is religious people being offended by grace, rather than loving caring people pointing out we are called to walk and follow in the Holy Spirit, not cleanse the church of invented evil or wrong motives. Paul was opposed by people preaching the gospel from selfish ambition. His response was amen, the gospel is being preached with is no bad thing.

SO I say amen to sharing about the massive and impossibly fantastic nature of Gods love to us in the cross, but no to saying christians are evil for following Jesus in obedience. You will discover as with Cornelious, it is the Lords work to reveal Himself to His sheep and not ours to try and weed out sheep from goats. If we have a hard time dealing with problems in the church if love and forgiveness, what hope is there when we face real evil in the wolrd that has no cuddly soft aspects to it at all.

 

[DiscipleDave]

I grew up hearing the phrase that once you are saved, you are always saved. You cannot loose your salvation is that statement true, please help me find scriptures that discuss this topic further.

Once Saved Always Saved is a lie from the pits of Hell itself, to give people false ideal that once they are Saved, it does not matter what they do, they will always be Saved. LIES from satan himself.

How easy would it be to have life everlasting if that is all it took to get Saved and you are always Saved. Scriptures teach it is narrow and difficult to find the path that leads to everlasting life, but leave it to the last days generation to teach OSAS, which is NOT narrow nor difficult, but broad and extremely wide path that most so called Christians are currently on, walking straight to their own demise. Because they choose to believe the teachings of men OVER what the Word of God actually says and teaches.

The Word of God teaches a person can be blotted out of the Book of LIfe. The mere FACT that it teaches that PROVES that Once Saved Always Saved is a lie and not the Truth. If a person can be blotted out once they are Saved and written in the Book of Life, How are they still Saved if they were blotted out of the Book of Life. Those who teach OSAS which causes others to believe that lie also, will get a double serving of His Wrath when it comes upon this Earth, and His wrath is coming for who? The disobedient children of God. You are either a good Tree producing only good fruit walking in the light on that narrow and difficult path that only a few will find, or you are one of the Blind thinking you are Heaven bound all the while you freely choose to obey His enemy the devil and willingly commit sin against HIM. Anyone who obey satan, HURTS JESUS. What if i say to you, i will follow you, but then follow your enemy, that does not hurt you? Woe to this generation who gives Jesus lip service, proclaiming they are Saved, they are Christians, yet their deeds are evil and wicked, and they continue to live in sins, without ever ceasing from them. Oh they repent 50 times in a day for the 50 sins they committed that day, yet never cease to commit them, all the while claiming with their mouths they are Christian, that Jesus is their Master and Lord, yet they willingly obey His enemy the devil. Cursed Children unable, and unwilling to cease from sin, because they don't believe it is possible. They do not believe the Word of God which plainly teaches all things are possible to them that KNOW GOD.

OSAS is a lie, it is not Scriptural. That is the TRUTH. Reject this Truth is on you, but it is not like God has not revealed the TRUTH to you.

^i^

 

[MsSuzanna]

Once Saved Always Saved is a lie from the pits of Hell itself, to give people false ideal that once they are Saved, it does not matter what they do, they will always be Saved. LIES from satan himself.

How easy would it be to have life everlasting if that is all it took to get Saved and you are always Saved. Scriptures teach it is narrow and difficult to find the path that leads to everlasting life, but leave it to the last days generation to teach OSAS, which is NOT narrow nor difficult, but broad and extremely wide path that most so called Christians are currently on, walking straight to their own demise. Because they choose to believe the teachings of men OVER what the Word of God actually says and teaches.

The Word of God teaches a person can be blotted out of the Book of LIfe. The mere FACT that it teaches that PROVES that Once Saved Always Saved is a lie and not the Truth. If a person can be blotted out once they are Saved and written in the Book of Life, How are they still Saved if they were blotted out of the Book of Life. Those who teach OSAS which causes others to believe that lie also, will get a double serving of His Wrath when it comes upon this Earth, and His wrath is coming for who? The disobedient children of God. You are either a good Tree producing only good fruit walking in the light on that narrow and difficult path that only a few will find, or you are one of the Blind thinking you are Heaven bound all the while you freely choose to obey His enemy the devil and willingly commit sin against HIM. Anyone who obey satan, HURTS JESUS. What if i say to you, i will follow you, but then follow your enemy, that does not hurt you? Woe to this generation who gives Jesus lip service, proclaiming they are Saved, they are Christians, yet their deeds are evil and wicked, and they continue to live in sins, without ever ceasing from them. Oh they repent 50 times in a day for the 50 sins they committed that day, yet never cease to commit them, all the while claiming with their mouths they are Christian, that Jesus is their Master and Lord, yet they willingly obey His enemy the devil. Cursed Children unable, and unwilling to cease from sin, because they don't believe it is possible. They do not believe the Word of God which plainly teaches all things are possible to them that KNOW GOD.

OSAS is a lie, it is not Scriptural. That is the TRUTH. Reject this Truth is on you, but it is not like God has not revealed the TRUTH to you.

^i^

God is the author and the finisher of my faith! True conversion is brought on by God himself. Noone can pull me from his hand. My salvation is not based on what I DO but what the HS does through me and to me.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Doing righteous deeds by themselves does not make one righteous. This is having the cart before the horse.

But those who have been justified and given the righteousness of Christ will do deeds of righteousness. Otherwise they are liars.

 

[Grandpa]

Salvation is a Gift from God.


Anyone teaching that Salvation can be lost is teaching against the clear principles of what Salvation is. And that is a gift.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Any problems so far?

Ok, now for the clincher.

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

God does not take back His Gifts. Salvation is a gift.

John 10:28-29
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.


Its not really about looking at all your "righteous" works and deciding if you are good enough to be following after the Lord Jesus Christ.

What it is all about is KNOWING by faith, in your heart of hearts that you can ALWAYS call on the Lord Jesus Christ and you WILL receive the gifts He has promised.

Matthew 7:7-8

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

 

[thepsalmist]

Salvation is a Gift from God.


Anyone teaching that Salvation can be lost is teaching against the clear principles of what Salvation is. And that is a gift.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Any problems so far?

Ok, now for the clincher.

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

God does not take back His Gifts. Salvation is a gift.

John 10:28-29
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.


Its not really about looking at all your "righteous" works and deciding if you are good enough to be following after the Lord Jesus Christ.

What it is all about is KNOWING by faith, in your heart of hearts that you can ALWAYS call on the Lord Jesus Christ and you WILL receive the gifts He has promised.

Matthew 7:7-8

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Amen brother Grandpa

GEN 18:19

For I know him(Abraham), that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the Lord, to do justice and judgment; that the Lord may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

God knew what Abraham would do before He made a covenant with him. God seals us with the Spirit of adoption KNOWING that we will not jump from His hand ... or turn away from the Faith. ...
so every contingency (is that the right word?) has been considered. No one can snatch us out of His hand - and we will not jump from it.

 

[roaringkitten]

Once Saved Always Saved is a lie from the pits of Hell itself, to give people false ideal that once they are Saved, it does not matter what they do, they will always be Saved. LIES from satan himself.

How easy would it be to have life everlasting if that is all it took to get Saved and you are always Saved. Scriptures teach it is narrow and difficult to find the path that leads to everlasting life, but leave it to the last days generation to teach OSAS, which is NOT narrow nor difficult, but broad and extremely wide path that most so called Christians are currently on, walking straight to their own demise. Because they choose to believe the teachings of men OVER what the Word of God actually says and teaches.

The Word of God teaches a person can be blotted out of the Book of LIfe. The mere FACT that it teaches that PROVES that Once Saved Always Saved is a lie and not the Truth. If a person can be blotted out once they are Saved and written in the Book of Life, How are they still Saved if they were blotted out of the Book of Life. Those who teach OSAS which causes others to believe that lie also, will get a double serving of His Wrath when it comes upon this Earth, and His wrath is coming for who? The disobedient children of God. You are either a good Tree producing only good fruit walking in the light on that narrow and difficult path that only a few will find, or you are one of the Blind thinking you are Heaven bound all the while you freely choose to obey His enemy the devil and willingly commit sin against HIM. Anyone who obey satan, HURTS JESUS. What if i say to you, i will follow you, but then follow your enemy, that does not hurt you? Woe to this generation who gives Jesus lip service, proclaiming they are Saved, they are Christians, yet their deeds are evil and wicked, and they continue to live in sins, without ever ceasing from them. Oh they repent 50 times in a day for the 50 sins they committed that day, yet never cease to commit them, all the while claiming with their mouths they are Christian, that Jesus is their Master and Lord, yet they willingly obey His enemy the devil. Cursed Children unable, and unwilling to cease from sin, because they don't believe it is possible. They do not believe the Word of God which plainly teaches all things are possible to them that KNOW GOD.

OSAS is a lie, it is not Scriptural. That is the TRUTH. Reject this Truth is on you, but it is not like God has not revealed the TRUTH to you.

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Same ole false accusation being made against believers of eternal redemption. Saying we teach once people get saved it doesn't matter what they do afterwards. You could have started your rant by at least being truthful, but you didn't. And of course you left out the blood of the Lamb of God which is typical of those who hate eternal security. How could you make a rant about salvation and not include the central aspect of salvation, the blood of Christ itself? You make a charge against a blood bought saint.

"Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us." Rom 8:33-34

Actually you have the books confused Dave. There's the "book of of life"(ie: Exo 32:32-33), then there is the "book of life of the Lamb". The Bible says:

"And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Rev 13:8

Those written in the Lamb's book of life were done so from the foundation of the world. These are all future believers because God knew in advance who would believe on Him! But all people have their names written in the "book of life" when they are born. Those who die in their sins(those who don't get them covered in the blood of the Lamb), have their names blotted out of the "book of life". Some may still say these two types of books are one and the same. But if a believer had their name written in the Lamb's book of life from the beginning, and God blotted them out of it, what would be the point of having their names written in the Lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world?

Rev 3:5 says:

"He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

The key words are "overcometh" and "white raiment". Those who overcame, and were clothed in white raiment("white"-Isa 1:18), did so by the blood of the Lamb. Note they didn't clothe themselves, they were clothed by God!(ie: Isa 61:10) Some examples from Revelation:

"And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Rev 7:13-14

"And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death." Rev 12:10-11

What's the one thing in common with these examples? The blood of the Lamb of God! They overcame by faith in His blood! What does the Bible say about overcoming?

"For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?" 1 John 5:4-5

These examples point to the blood of the Lamb of God as the means of overcoming and salvation. It has always been that way! Jesus has already overcome the world(John 16:33). We have the victory in Him as believers! Those who overcome in Rev 3:5 did so by the blood of the Lamb.

"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" Rev 1:5

The damnation of multitudes are coming for being deceived into a salvation by works message. You can know that you have eternal life(a present possession). If a believer can one day lose salvation and go to hell, then there is no assurance whatsoever. Of course that is a Satanic lie because we can know that we have eternal life!
"These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." 1 John 5:13