once saved always saved?
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The bible says it is the work of god we believe,
it says we are saved by GRACE through faith (not belief itself)
if you think salvation can be lost because we stopped believing, your depending on self, not the work of God. Twist it all you want, but a wage is smething you earn by doing
my faith is not by my power or doing to earn something, i trust in gods work and gods promise, it is his GRACE that i have been saved.
it says we are saved by GRACE through faith (not belief itself)
if you think salvation can be lost because we stopped believing, your depending on self, not the work of God. Twist it all you want, but a wage is smething you earn by doing
my faith is not by my power or doing to earn something, i trust in gods work and gods promise, it is his GRACE that i have been saved.
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And you keep believing hour power to believe earns you salvation. Keep boasting of self and taking away from God, God wull have th final say.
oh and ps. A bold of lightening will not take my mind of christ and his work, and place it on myself, god has proven himself to many tims for me to deny his grace, and take crdit in my own power
See, there's part of the problem, perceptions. I don't struggle with the security of the believer. As far as I'm concerned, it won't matter to 99.999% of us. And the window to walking away is incredibly small and specific.
And altogether Biblical in non-redacted scripture.
Gotta run or we don't eat tonight!
And altogether Biblical in non-redacted scripture.
Gotta run or we don't eat tonight!
no, it’s either a or b and not all of the above. Hurry up the time clock has begun. 
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No your believing what you want, and this strawman is old and arrogant, i could use the same reasoning, thus it is invalid.
You want to put self in the rwuation, and no one can convince you otherwise,
my belief in the gospel and how i was adopted as a child of God is 100 % in line with scripture
what seperates us is i refuse to say I, you refuse to stop saying I.
You want to put self in the rwuation, and no one can convince you otherwise,
my belief in the gospel and how i was adopted as a child of God is 100 % in line with scripture
what seperates us is i refuse to say I, you refuse to stop saying I.
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I don't know, but it surely is what he does. We know that from the Parable of the Unmerciful Servant:
23“For this reason the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his slaves. 24“When he had begun to settle them, one who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him. 25“But since he did not have the means to repay, his lord commanded him to be sold, along with his wife and children and all that he had, and repayment to be made.26“So the slave fell to the ground and prostrated himself before him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you everything.’ 27“And the lord of that slave felt compassion and released him and forgave him the debt. 28“But that slave went out and found one of his fellow slaves who owed him a hundred denarii; and he seized him and began to choke him, saying, ‘Pay back what you owe.’ 29“So his fellow slave fell to the ground and began to plead with him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you.’ 30“But he was unwilling and went and threw him in prison until he should pay back what was owed. 31“So when his fellow slaves saw what had happened, they were deeply grieved and came and reported to their lord all that had happened. 32“Then summoning him, his lord said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33‘Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34“And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35“My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”"-Matthew 18:23-35
The Master really did forgive the servants debt but later reinstated the debt, and Jesus says that is what his heavenly Father will do to us, too, even though, as you say, he knows ahead of time who will receive it and who will not.
23“For this reason the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his slaves. 24“When he had begun to settle them, one who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him. 25“But since he did not have the means to repay, his lord commanded him to be sold, along with his wife and children and all that he had, and repayment to be made.26“So the slave fell to the ground and prostrated himself before him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you everything.’ 27“And the lord of that slave felt compassion and released him and forgave him the debt. 28“But that slave went out and found one of his fellow slaves who owed him a hundred denarii; and he seized him and began to choke him, saying, ‘Pay back what you owe.’ 29“So his fellow slave fell to the ground and began to plead with him, saying, ‘Have patience with me and I will repay you.’ 30“But he was unwilling and went and threw him in prison until he should pay back what was owed. 31“So when his fellow slaves saw what had happened, they were deeply grieved and came and reported to their lord all that had happened. 32“Then summoning him, his lord said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33‘Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34“And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35“My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”"-Matthew 18:23-35
The Master really did forgive the servants debt but later reinstated the debt, and Jesus says that is what his heavenly Father will do to us, too, even though, as you say, he knows ahead of time who will receive it and who will not.
Yeah for sure - Bless him, he's done so well to get through it, hope he's doing alright, taking it steady and the soreness fades quickly...
I haven't read the thread as its 01:45 am and my mind is full as it is but do hope there's plenty of nuggets for him to come back to
nice teddy bears!! At first I thought the purple one was a lamb with its floppy ears - They're having a tea party !! Hope it's sunny for them !!
I haven't read the thread as its 01:45 am and my mind is full as it is but do hope there's plenty of nuggets for him to come back to
nice teddy bears!! At first I thought the purple one was a lamb with its floppy ears - They're having a tea party !! Hope it's sunny for them !!
Sorry, but Scriptures attest to both, and so, so do I
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Check it out for yourself
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