once saved always saved?
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R
They had begun in the Spirit (faith in Christ) but were going back to the works of the law (the observance of days, weeks, months, etc.). that's what he meant.
If he had meant they were continuing in their faith in Christ the letter of Galatians would never have been written. But as it is, they had gone back to the observances of the law and away from continued faith and trust in Christ. But you are trying to make it so continuing in faith and trust in Christ is you trying to be justified and perfected by the law. Last time I checked believing and trusting in Christ was in no way shape or form a work of the law that can not justify.
If he had meant they were continuing in their faith in Christ the letter of Galatians would never have been written. But as it is, they had gone back to the observances of the law and away from continued faith and trust in Christ. But you are trying to make it so continuing in faith and trust in Christ is you trying to be justified and perfected by the law. Last time I checked believing and trusting in Christ was in no way shape or form a work of the law that can not justify.
R
Just show us where Paul said the works gospel is defined by ANYTHING you do to be justified......including continuing to believe and trust in Christ.
Paul defined the works of the works gospel as the works of the law, not the 'work' of believing and continuing to believe. But if you are sure continuing to believe is included in the works that can not justify surely you have a scripture that says that, right? Show us.
Paul defined the works of the works gospel as the works of the law, not the 'work' of believing and continuing to believe. But if you are sure continuing to believe is included in the works that can not justify surely you have a scripture that says that, right? Show us.
R
Show us. Show us that continuing to believe to be saved is a work that can not justify.
Show us where it says that in the Bible. Show us where your continued believing is you trying to earn salvation as a reward.
What you will find is believing is the very thing you do, and must do, to gain and keep salvation as a gift.
Show us where it says that in the Bible. Show us where your continued believing is you trying to earn salvation as a reward.
What you will find is believing is the very thing you do, and must do, to gain and keep salvation as a gift.
E
lets see where do i start
eph 2, by grace through faith, not of works lest anyone be proud
rom 4, if found by works, has somehing to boast, but what does scripture say! Abraham had faith and it was Accredited as righteous. (Gen 15, niether god nor paul said abraham was required to continue to believe, it says he was reckoned righteous at that moment)
titus 3:5. Not by works of rihteousness whcih we have done, he saved us by his mercy
you teach we must comtinue to believe to earn or maintain. That is nt found
abraham is the example, he believd in a moment of time and was saved eternally, and did many works (and commited many sins)for the rest if his life.
people do nt just stop believing, because it is not their work they are teusting in, its gods.
eph 2, by grace through faith, not of works lest anyone be proud
rom 4, if found by works, has somehing to boast, but what does scripture say! Abraham had faith and it was Accredited as righteous. (Gen 15, niether god nor paul said abraham was required to continue to believe, it says he was reckoned righteous at that moment)
titus 3:5. Not by works of rihteousness whcih we have done, he saved us by his mercy
you teach we must comtinue to believe to earn or maintain. That is nt found
abraham is the example, he believd in a moment of time and was saved eternally, and did many works (and commited many sins)for the rest if his life.
people do nt just stop believing, because it is not their work they are teusting in, its gods.
R
Believing is what you do. But believing is NOT a work of the works gospel that can not justify. Believing is exactly opposed to the works of the works gospel that can not justify.
Believing is the very thing you must do in order to be justified. That is what Paul said, not me.
He did not say, 'if you have to do anything that's you trying to earn your salvation'. But if you are sure he did say that surely you can quote chapter and verse for us. Show us.
Believing is the very thing you must do in order to be justified. That is what Paul said, not me.
He did not say, 'if you have to do anything that's you trying to earn your salvation'. But if you are sure he did say that surely you can quote chapter and verse for us. Show us.
R
Right........not by works BUT BY FAITH.
How does this equate faith with works, making faith (believing) equivalent to the work that can not justify and is you trying to earn your own salvation??????
I'm at work........I'll be back.
in the meantime just cut to the chase and show us the verse that says your believing is you trying to earn your salvation and is among the works that can not justify.
E
What? Where do you come up with this stuff?
jesus did the work required for you to be justified, you just have to recieve that work, or reject it.
Thats the gospel, your to proud to remove yourself crom the equation.
only those who have faith in GODS work will recieve it, those people do not have wishy washy faith, because god will not give them a reason to lose faith, if 5ey stop believing, they never believ d to begin with, 1 john 2
pagain, your argument is with John not me
The belief in Christ that saves is found only in the bible and through the Holy Spirit. Otherwise belief would be earthly like believing in space aliens or bigfoot.
The work which God does in the heart through His word and the Holy Spirit produces born again believers not pretenders.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The work which God does in the heart through His word and the Holy Spirit produces born again believers not pretenders.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I have been thinking and have thought in the past concerning OSAS.
Who is it, what is it that brings us the genuine saving faith?
John 6:29
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
John 16:8-9
8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me;
Romans 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
So I find myself thinking?
God brings us to faith in Jesus, we repent of the sin of unbelief, confess and believe he died and rose again for us. Notice rose again.
God knows everything.
Right from the very beginning.
He knows what will happen tomorrow, next year in 20 years time for everyone who has lived and will live.
He knows the date, the hour, the minute and the second we will be born and we will die.
That being the case why would he bring someone to faith knowing full well that person will reject their faith, reject Jesus.
Is that not cruel, cold hearted and downright wrong?
Who is it, what is it that brings us the genuine saving faith?
John 6:29
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
John 16:8-9
8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me;
Romans 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
So I find myself thinking?
God brings us to faith in Jesus, we repent of the sin of unbelief, confess and believe he died and rose again for us. Notice rose again.
God knows everything.
Right from the very beginning.
He knows what will happen tomorrow, next year in 20 years time for everyone who has lived and will live.
He knows the date, the hour, the minute and the second we will be born and we will die.
That being the case why would he bring someone to faith knowing full well that person will reject their faith, reject Jesus.
Is that not cruel, cold hearted and downright wrong?
