One taken,one left. The rapture.

[Absolutely]

Your position is inconsistent with the context of the flood, which is clearly presented in verses 36 - 39. In the flood, the ones "taken" were taken by destruction, not by rapture.

Watch for what? The coming of the Lord. Noah paid attention to God ("watched for His coming"), and was ready when the destruction came.

I always like your input. I get an intelligent exchange even if we disagree

Here is my point;
Jesus switches the setting/timeframe.
Mat 24
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

 

[PennEd]

Noah road out the storm in the ark he constructed as of the Lord'd instruction.
Lot walked out on his own two legs as instructed by God's angels and hide nearby as destruction came.
Jesus wast takes to Egypt by Joseph and Marry as instructed by God's angel and waited until the danger was gone before returning to their home.
Do not see any evidence of God swooping down ant taking them.
Do not see any evidence of them leaving the earth.
What I do see is the Lord providing escape to a safe place where He protected them from the destruction that was to come and because of their doing as instructed. Preparing and following His instruction.

The model, or similitude, was set by Enoch, Noah, and the Judged and destroyed.

Enoch was "raptured" BEFORE the storm, Noah was preserved DURING the storm, the wicked were destroyed BY the storm.

No reason not to think this pattern won't be the same in the end.

As for Lot, the text says the destruction COULD NOT start until he was removed. The ANGELS TOOK them by the arm.

 

[Absolutely]

Lot was warned what was to happen.
Noah was warned what was to happen.
Joseph was warned what was to happen.
All were told what they must do to escape.
All three CHOSE to do as instructed.
Show me Scripture where God reached down and removed.

Not sure of your point.

Everybody with a bible knows we are to watch and be ready for the rapture.

Just as they were also warned.

But lot was dragged out. Did not want to leave.

All 3 are pretrib/ prejudgment dynamics.
None were delivered or removed postrib.
I assume your position is postrib rapture. At the white horses 2nd coming?

 

[Unw0rthyS3rvant]

Re read it.
Mat 24
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

how could you have missed it?

I did NOT miss anything.!

It is NOT THERE PRE!

Also do not tell me to reread bc I disagree with you.
I'm not ignorant and unlearned,neither are you the mouthpiece of God.!

I have HIS WORD to tell me what I need to know and the Holy Ghost to teach me!


If this agressive attitude is how you talk to ppl I have TUNED YOU OUT!

 

[Artios1]

Why?

Why?

The gospels give an account of the life and times of Jesus…. being given by revelation between 20 – 50 years later after He was taken up; and they absolutely stay within those confines, even though three… if not all 4 (Matthew?) were written after 1 Thessalonians which revealed the gathering together unto Him (rapture)

There was no mention of the grace administration in the gospels because it was a secret (mystery) which God had kept secret and was not revealed until after Pentecost ….and was not fully realized until it was given by revelation, from Christ Jesus… to Paul.

Anything in the gospels… is dealing with the tribulation period…. While there may seem to be similarities, there are stark differences between Christ coming for the church of grace ....and Christ when He comes with the Church ...or the initial start of the tribulation time.

Did Jesus Christ know about the mystery?

Jesus makes the statement in Matt 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

I have to conclude….. that the man Jesus Christ did not know of the mystery…. as all His teachings reference the tribulation period, which He gleaned from the OT ….it’s either that, or He lied…. and that is not even a question.

But something happened to suspend the prophetic clock after the 69th week of Dan 9:24-27. What that something is…..….was an un-prophesied, untraceable mystery….a secret kept hid in God..... God did not break the rules or change prophetic scripture. He simply slipped something in that He had kept hidden, and we should all be eternally thankful and grateful that He did …otherwise you wouldn’t be here…His regularly scheduled program the (70th week) will resume once this interruption is complete.

 

[Absolutely]

The model, or similitude, was set by Enoch, Noah, and the Judged and destroyed.

Enoch was "raptured" BEFORE the storm, Noah was preserved DURING the storm, the wicked were destroyed BY the storm.

No reason not to think this pattern won't be the same in the end.

As for Lot, the text says the destruction COULD NOT start until he was removed. The ANGELS TOOK them by the arm.

Hmmmmm,
I had completely forgotten enoch raptured pretrib.

I will borrow that one frim you lol

 

[RichMan]

Not sure of your point.

Everybody with a bible knows we are to watch and be ready for the rapture.

Just as they were warned.

But lot was dragged out. Did not want to leave.

All 3 are pretrib/ prejudgment dynamics.
None were delivered or removed postrib.
I assume your position is postrib rapture. At the white horses 2nd coming?

My point is you are using events that have nothing to do with the gathering of the saints to try to prove your point.
Yes I believe the gathering of the saints will happen at the last trump, the second coming of Christ, the first resurrection, because that is what Scripture clearly states.

 

[Absolutely]

I did NOT miss anything.!

It is NOT THERE PRE!

Also do not tell me to reread bc I disagree with you.
I'm not ignorant and unlearned,neither are you the mouthpiece of God.!

I have HIS WORD to tell me what I need to know and the Holy Ghost to teach me!


If this agressive attitude is how you talk to ppl I have TUNED YOU OUT!

A mirror of the rapture that you missed had you gotten the context.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

You declared there was nothing there indicating the groom coming for the bride.

Well you missed it.
Sorry you got offended friend

 

[Absolutely]

My point is you are using events that have nothing to do with the gathering of the saints to try to prove your point.
Yes I believe the gathering of the saints will happen at the last trump, the second coming of Christ, the first resurrection, because that is what Scripture clearly states.

Huh?
Where is postrib rapture anywhere in the bible?

I have posted clear and precise prejudgment dynamics

You are all over the place trying to undo them.

 

[Dino246]

I always like your input. I get an intelligent exchange even if we disagree

Here is my point;
Jesus switches the setting/timeframe.
Mat 24
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Take another look at verse 39: ... the flood came, and took them all away...

Who is "them"? The same ones who were eating and drinking, etc. In other words, not watching for the Lord. He is coming, and

Then shall... one shall be taken (v. 40).

The words "took" and "taken" are semantically identical. Those whom the flood took away are in the same category as those who are taken at the coming of the Lord. The implication is destruction, not rapture.

 

[RichMan]

Huh?
Where is postrib rapture anywhere in the bible?

I have posted clear and precise prejudgment dynamics

You are all over the place trying to undo them.

Last trump
Wheat and tares
First resurrection
After the tribulation
After the man of sin the son of perdition
war on the saints for 1260 days
and many many more.

 

[Absolutely]

Take another look at verse 39: ... the flood came, and took them all away...

Who is "them"? The same ones who were eating and drinking, etc. In other words, not watching for the Lord. He is coming, and

Then shall... one shall be taken (v. 40).

The words "took" and "taken" are semantically identical. Those whom the flood took away are in the same category as those who are taken at the coming of the Lord. The implication is destruction, not rapture.

Apply this Context.;
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.


44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

What say you?

 

[RichMan]

Apply this Context.;
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.


44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

What say you?

You seem to be the one who does not understand context.
You continue to avoid the Scriptures I present that prove you wrong.

 

[Absolutely]

Last trump
Wheat and tares
First resurrection
After the tribulation
After the man of sin the son of perdition
war on the saints for 1260 days
and many many more.

Pretribber here.
I embrace all those verses.

The question is ,is 1 thes 4 agreeing with rev 14?

Or do the dead in Christ wait in graves till after the living christians are gathered in rev 14?

 

[RichMan]

Well, enough of this.
Some are just to blind to see what is right before their eyes.

 

[Absolutely]

You seem to be the one who does not understand context.
You continue to avoid the Scriptures I present that prove you wrong.

Take one of your verses.
O will gladly unpack it with you.

 

[Absolutely]

Well, enough of this.
Some are just to blind to see what is right before their eyes.

Sorry you got mad.

 

[RichMan]

Sorry you got mad.

Not mad.
Not offended.
Just to old and to busy to waist more time on those who have been blinded to the truth.

 

[Absolutely]

When you are remembering Lot and Sodom and Gomorrah or perhaps Noah's ark, remember the Just People were left behind and it was the wicked that were taken and destroyed. Those taken were unpleasing to God and God destroyed them by fire and water. Those left behind, not taken, were saved.

The left behind ones were destroyed.
Lot left...those left behind destroyed
Baby jesus left...those left behind destroyed.
Enoch left...those left nehind destroyed
Noah left via the flood water...those left behind clawing at the boat were destroyed.

Pretrib rapture vivid and solid.

 

[Absolutely]

Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

With the wheat and tares parable, it looks like those that are going to be destroyed are gathered first. But they aren't gathered and taken- they are gathered, and bundled together. Would farmers make bundles of weeds, then gather what they actually want to harvest, and then burn the bundles in the field? I guess I need more agricultural education.

The tares are the unbelievers..

The burning is the lof.

So the " wicked gathered" is most likely over a thousand years after the rapture .

It is far away from the one taken/left....(the pretrib rapture.)