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No I don’t see that Avinu.
PeterT, I would never tell someone to just take my word on it, and there's not enough room to write it all out, there are so many scriptures from OT and NT that prove this out. All I can say is just keep studying it out. One thing that might help, John goes back and forth alot in Rev. He'll moved forward then go back, he does that multiple times. Plus the 6th bowl and the 7th bowl are identical. They both describe the exact same event, that one all by itself makes them concurrent. Shalom.
 
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I studied this very same thing Avinu , lined it up , just like you described....
Amen, NM, that is going to be one insane time to say the least. To see all those things happen is nuts for whoever is there. Shalom, Avinu
 
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For people that think the 70th week is completed,it is not.

24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The Bible clearly states that at the end of 70 weeks that is determined upon Israel,they have to be in the truth,and right with God,and recognize Jesus as their Messiah.

But the Jews are not in the truth with God,as today,so the 70 weeks cannot be completed.

If the Jews were in the truth with God at the end of 70 weeks that satisfied God,then God would not have allowed the Roman Empire to overthrow Jerusalem and scatter Israel in to the nations,which God said He would do if they were not in the truth.

So how can the 70 weeks be completed,which they must be in the truth at the end of 70 weeks,when they were scattered from their land because they rejected Jesus,and the Bible says that Jesus came unto His own but they received them not.

A few Jews accepting Jesus does not complete the 70 weeks,but the nation of Israel accepting Jesus completes the 70 weeks.

25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous tim 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate(Daniel 9:24-27).


Jesus did not complete the 70 week,for that is determined upon Israel to complete the 70 weeks.

In verse 26,it talks of the people of the prince to come overthrowing Jerusalem,then continues in verse 27 talking of the prince to come as confirming the covenant,which Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24,the abomination of desolation,that will happen in the end times not in the past,which verse 27 talks of the spreading of abominations that the prince to come causes.

The 70th week has not happened yet,and God will see to it that the Jews come to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,which Jesus said the Jews will not see Him again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord,and those that come to the truth during that time will instruct others to come to the truth.
The seventy weeks have been fulfilled it does not say that all Israel have to be in line with the truth we could be waiting for eternity for that.
 

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PeterT, I would never tell someone to just take my word on it, and there's not enough room to write it all out, there are so many scriptures from OT and NT that prove this out. All I can say is just keep studying it out. One thing that might help, John goes back and forth alot in Rev. He'll moved forward then go back, he does that multiple times. Plus the 6th bowl and the 7th bowl are identical. They both describe the exact same event, that one all by itself makes them concurrent. Shalom.
Correction, I made an error on the last sentence, the 6th bowl and the 6th trumpet are identical, which makes them concurrent. Shalom
 
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PeterT, I would never tell someone to just take my word on it, and there's not enough room to write it all out, there are so many scriptures from OT and NT that prove this out. All I can say is just keep studying it out. One thing that might help, John goes back and forth alot in Rev. He'll moved forward then go back, he does that multiple times. Plus the 6th bowl and the 7th bowl are identical. They both describe the exact same event, that one all by itself makes them concurrent. Shalom.
Revelation 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.16 And the number of the army of the horsemen [were] two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses [were] as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

Wow it SOUNDS little bit like the battle of Armageddon yes,“WAR” and “THIRD PART OF MEN KILLED”.

But there is one tinny little problem. THIS IS THE SIXTH TRUMPET, NOT THE SEVENTH TRUMPET.

And Jesus doesn’t come back until the seventh trumpet, the last trumpet, which is another two hole Chapters in the Bible and another one hole trumpet, and you kind of need Jesus in the mix for the battle of Armageddon don’t you think?

“the 6th bowl and the 6th trumpet are identical, which makes them concurrent”

The sixth trumpet is ,“WAR” and “THIRD PART OF MEN KILLED”.

The sixth bowl is, devils working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty, and gathered them together into a place called Armageddon. No WAR and no one getting killed, just gathering to gather in one place to make WAR.

That’s NOT identical.

Lets go th Rv 19 we’ve got are heavenly bodies, we are at the marriage supper of the Lamb, we get arrayed in fine linen, clean and white, then we follow Jesus upon white horses and make WAR with them that are , gathered together to make war against him.

You may want your garment spotted with false teachings, but you’re not putting a stain on mine.

Rev 16 12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs [come] out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, [which] go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed [is] he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


Rv 19. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all [men, both] free and bond, both small and great.19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
 
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Daniel 9:27
(27) And he (Messiah) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he (Messiah) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
John 19:30
(30) When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Luke 23:44-46
(44) And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
(45) And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.
(46) And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Acts 8:2-4
(2) And devout men carried Stephen to his burial, and made great lamentation over him.
(3) As for Saul, he made havock of the church, entering into every house, and haling men and women committed them to prison.
(4) Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word.
yep...there it is, thank you Lao.
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John 14:30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.


Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come TITUS shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; >> skips ahead outside the 70 weeks to fortell consummation of decree of desolation in 70AD - within that generation just like Jesus said! and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Jerusalem left desolate 70Ad

Daniel 9:27 And he (the prince) JESUS shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he(the prince) JESUS shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and (BECAUSE OF) for the overspreading of abominations he JESUS shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation (later in 70AD), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (and it was)

If its Jesus what’s he doing making a agreement for seven years with people on earth just before his coming and the end of the world?
that was fulfilled in Jesus' lifetime!
IT'S OVER!

don't drag that 70th week into the future! that's THE SET-UP!

all fulfilled. if we get that wrong, we're walking right into the snare!

use the KJV on this one - the others make a mess of this prophecy (anoint the Most Holy 'Place', etc)
i do not understand how this can't be seen.
 
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Scotth1960

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For people that think the 70th week is completed,it is not.

24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


The Bible clearly states that at the end of 70 weeks that is determined upon Israel,they have to be in the truth,and right with God,and recognize Jesus as their Messiah.


But the Jews are not in the truth with God,as today,so the 70 weeks cannot be completed.


If the Jews were in the truth with God at the end of 70 weeks that satisfied God,then God would not have allowed the Roman Empire to overthrow Jerusalem and scatter Israel in to the nations,which God said He would do if they were not in the truth.


So how can the 70 weeks be completed,which they must be in the truth at the end of 70 weeks,when they were scattered from their land because they rejected Jesus,and the Bible says that Jesus came unto His own but they received them not.


A few Jews accepting Jesus does not complete the 70 weeks,but the nation of Israel accepting Jesus completes the 70 weeks.


25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous tim 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate(Daniel 9:24-27).


Jesus did not complete the 70 week,for that is determined upon Israel to complete the 70 weeks.


In verse 26,it talks of the people of the prince to come overthrowing Jerusalem,then continues in verse 27 talking of the prince to come as confirming the covenant,which Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24,the abomination of desolation,that will happen in the end times not in the past,which verse 27 talks of the spreading of abominations that the prince to come causes.


The 70th week has not happened yet,and God will see to it that the Jews come to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,which Jesus said the Jews will not see Him again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord,and those that come to the truth during that time will instruct others to come to the truth.

Dearmpaper345, We need a Study Bible we can trust. I no longer trust the footnotes or
notes in the New Scofield Reference Bible by C.I Scofield, (New York: Oxford University Press). Scofield's Bible was proved false when the pre-tribulation rapture did not happen in 1988 40 years (one generation) after the establishment of Israel in 1948, as Hal Lindsey, following C.I. Scofield, predicted in his book "The Late Great Planet Earth".
See: The Incredible Scofield and His Book. book available on Amazon.com on GOOGLE.
The following teaching is from God and is the true teaching, because it is from the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the Eastern Orthodox Church is the One True Church that Jesus Christ founded. So, Scofieldism, coming from outside the Orthodox Church is, therefore, false. The idea that the Seventy Weeks awaits future fulfillment is also false.

See Note on Matthew 25:15 in the OSB (Orthodox Study Bible), page 1315:

24:15 "Daniel's prophecy of the abomination of desolation (Daniel 9:23) was fulfilled in AD 70, when the Roman general Titus entered the Most Holy Place and had a statue of himself erected in the temple before having the temple destroyed. The Lord's phrase "when you see" indicates that many of the disciples would still be alive at that time. The words "whoever reads, let him understand" are commonly understood to be inserted by Matthew into Christ's address as an encouragement to his early Christian flock, who may have witnessed this event".

Matthew 24:15-16 "Therefore wen you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (whoever reads, let him understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains." NKJV New King James Version

This already happened, and the first century Church fleed to the mountains, and thus

was saved from the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans.

God save us. Amen. Scott Harrington Erie PA USA



 

zone

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This already happened, and the first century Church fleed to the mountains, and thus

was saved from the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans.

God save us. Amen. Scott Harrington Erie PA USA
scotty your posts are impossible...please do this:

go to the end of the person's post and drag and copy the
thing, put it where you want to end the paragraph to reply and paste it.

then type your answer...

then go get the [quote original poster's name etc] from the top left and place it at the top left of the next paragraph and so on ok?

like this:

[quote original poster's name etc]
otherwise i can't tell who is saying what.
thank you zone.
it will make the boxes for you.
 
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Dear Peter T, If you want the Bible truth about the seventy weeks and the great tribulation see;


Mauro, Philip. The Seventy Weeks and the Great Tribulation. Amazon.com GOOGLE

Cox, William E. Why I Left Scofieldism. Presbyterian & Reformed, Phillipsburg, NJ Amazon.com GOOGLE

The Incredible Scofield and His Book. Canfield, Joseph M. Ross House Books. Amazon.com GOOGLE

DeMar, Gary. (1999). Last Days Madness: Obsession of the Modern Church. Powder Springs, GA:

American Vision. Amazon.com GOOGLE

Sparks, Fr. Jack N., Ph.D., ed. The Orthodox Study Bible. Copyright 2008, St. Athanasius Academy

of Orthodox Theology, Elk Grove, CA. Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Bibles.

God bless you. In Erie Scott R. Harrington


Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.


Daniel 9:27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate

Daniel 11:31And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Daniel 12:11And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Follow the bread crumbs.

Jesus said When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place,

Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world.

So lets Follow Jesus’s bread crumbs to the book of Daniel and see the abomination of desolation that Jesus spoke about.

he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate
there it is right in the middle of the week the ( 7years)

How do we know a week is 7 years, this verse
Genesis 29:27 Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.

Right in the middle of the week the Great tribulation will begin 3 ½ years.

Conformed with this.
Rv11 the two witnesses shall prophesy for 3 ½ years.

Rv12 the woman fled into the wilderness from the face of the serpent for 3 ½ years.

Rv 13 the beast had power to continue for 3 ½ years.

Before the middle of the week the first 3 ½ Jesus calls it the beginning of sorrow .

false prophets, wars, famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, betrayal, and persecution of the church. the beginning of sorrow Jesus called it.


Revelation 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Revelation 12:14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.
 
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that was fulfilled in Jesus' lifetime!
IT'S OVER!

don't drag that 70th week into the future! that's THE SET-UP!

all fulfilled. if we get that wrong, we're walking right into the snare!

use the KJV on this one - the others make a mess of this prophecy (anoint the Most Holy 'Place', etc)
i do not understand how this can't be seen.
Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come TITUS shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; >> skips ahead outside the 70 weeks to fortell consummation of decree of desolation in 70AD - within that generation just like Jesus said! and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Jerusalem left desolate 70Ad

Daniel 9:27 And he (the prince) JESUS shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he(the prince) JESUS shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and (BECAUSE OF) for the overspreading of abominations he JESUS shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation (later in 70AD), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (and it was)
You make it up as you go along Zone adding words to scripter. You want it to be fulfilled so it fits in with your doctrine, it’s just a wild guess that you think its Jesus and not the prince of this world the AC. There is no scripter to say its Jesus, but there is scripter to say it’s the prince of this world the AC
This is basic bible prophecy Zone get this wrong and you will be led astray the rest of your life with Bible prophecy.

John 14:30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 9:27 And he (the prince) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he(the prince) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


It’s a 7 year pared with 3 ½ great tribulation.
Right in the middle of the week the Great tribulation will begin 3 ½ years.

Conformed with this.
Rv11 the two witnesses shall prophesy for 3 ½ years.

Rv12 the woman fled into the wilderness from the face of the serpent for 3 ½ years.

Rv 13 the beast had power to continue for 3 ½ years.

Before the middle of the week the first 3 ½ Jesus calls it the beginning of sorrow .

false prophets, wars, famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, betrayal, and persecution of the church. the beginning of sorrow Jesus called it.


Revelation 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Revelation 12:14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.


If its Jesus and not the prince of this world the AC then what’s Jesus doing making a agreement for seven years with people on earth just before his coming and the end of the world?
 
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You make it up as you go along Zone adding words to scripter. You want it to be fulfilled so it fits in with your doctrine, it’s just a wild guess that you think its Jesus and not the prince of this world the AC. There is no scripter to say its Jesus, but there is scripter to say it’s the prince of this world the AC
This is basic bible prophecy Zone get this wrong and you will be led astray the rest of your life with Bible prophecy.

John 14:30Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 9:27 And he (the prince) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he(the prince) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


It’s a 7 year pared with 3 ½ great tribulation.
Right in the middle of the week the Great tribulation will begin 3 ½ years.

Conformed with this.
Rv11 the two witnesses shall prophesy for 3 ½ years.

Rv12 the woman fled into the wilderness from the face of the serpent for 3 ½ years.

Rv 13 the beast had power to continue for 3 ½ years.

Before the middle of the week the first 3 ½ Jesus calls it the beginning of sorrow .

false prophets, wars, famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, betrayal, and persecution of the church. the beginning of sorrow Jesus called it.


Revelation 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Revelation 12:14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.


If its Jesus and not the prince of this world the AC then what’s Jesus doing making a agreement for seven years with people on earth just before his coming and the end of the world?
Why do people change the rule of scripture to suit their own doctrines? The seventy weeks here are interpreted as a day for a year if the final week in Daniel 9 is 7 years then that is a day for a year.

Numbers 14:34
(34) After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.

Ezekiel 4:6
(6) And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.


In prophetic time a day equals a year that is why the 70 prophecy in Daniel 9 is 490 years. But, then people say that the 1260 day prophecy is 3.5 years. One rule applies to all, the 1260 days is prophetic time and is 1260 years. It may sound as if it fits 3.5 years but, the 1260 day prophecy is mentioned 7 times in The book of Daniel & Revelation and covers the same time period it is not 3.5 + 3.5. It is 1260 years and is not related to Daniel 9.

We cannot interpret the Bible the way we want, we must let the Bible speak to us, by gathering all the information on any subject and the rule for prophetic time is 1 day=1 year
 
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Why do people change the rule of scripture to suit their own doctrines? The seventy weeks here are interpreted as a day for a year if the final week in Daniel 9 is 7 years then that is a day for a year.

Numbers 14:34
(34) After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.

Ezekiel 4:6
(6) And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.
“We cannot interpret the Bible the way we want,”
You Just did.

“Numbers 14:34(34) After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Ezekiel 4:6(6) And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.”
That situation was a day for a year, Not everyday in the bible is a year.

How do we know a week is 7 years, this verse
Genesis 29:27 Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.
He served 7 years and they called it one week.

So Jesus was dead for 3 ½ years? Where do you get your info from whackedpedia
 
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“We cannot interpret the Bible the way we want,”
You Just did.

“Numbers 14:34(34) After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Ezekiel 4:6(6) And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.”
That situation was a day for a year, Not everyday in the bible is a year.

How do we know a week is 7 years, this verse
Genesis 29:27 Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.
He served 7 years and they called it one week.

So Jesus was dead for 3 ½ years? Where do you get your info from whackedpedia
I did not say that everyday is a year but in prophetic time 1 day=1 year
 
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silverwind

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#35
The "prince who is to come" is NOT the same as Messiah, the Prince.... Messiah, the Prince does NOT shatter God's holy people. It is someone else. Daniels week is NOT fulfilled, and the woman has not been to the wilderness for 3.5 years or 1260 days. It's future. God is not a God of confusion, and look what we have done with this passage. I can't agree with zone on this one, nor with the 'amillenialism'. Where is the faith?
 
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Laodicea

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#36
The "prince who is to come" is NOT the same as Messiah, the Prince.... Messiah, the Prince does NOT shatter God's holy people. It is someone else. Daniels week is NOT fulfilled, and the woman has not been to the wilderness for 3.5 years or 1260 days. It's future. God is not a God of confusion, and look what we have done with this passage. I can't agree with zone on this one, nor with the 'amillenialism'. Where is the faith?
Daniel 9:26-27
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince (Israel) that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(27) And he (Messiah) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he (Messiah) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Because of the sins of Israel Jerusalem was destroyed and they went into Babylonian captivity, and because Israel rejected Christ and His message the City was destroyed in 70 AD.

Jeremiah 38:19
(19) And Zedekiah the king said unto Jeremiah, I am afraid of the Jews that are fallen to the Chaldeans, lest they deliver me into their hand, and they mock me.
Jeremiah 38:23

(23) So they shall bring out all thy wives and thy children to the Chaldeans: and thou shalt not escape out of their hand, but shalt be taken by the hand of the king of Babylon: and thou shalt cause this city to be burned with fire.


[FONT=&quot]In verse 26, after Messiah was cut off, Jerusalem was destroyed. And in verse 27, Jerusalem was destroyed after the Prince caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease! The critical question at this juncture is, does the New Testament shed any light on how the destiny of the Messiah is linked to the fate of the second city and temple? The answer is a resounding yes![/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Of particular significance is the parable of Matthew 21:33-44 where Jesus reviewed the[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]history of Israel in five stages:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Stage # 1[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: God sent servants to Israel to gather fruit in harvest season but Israel rejected[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]God’s messengers (verses 34-35).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Stage # 2[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: God then sent more servants and Israel did the same with them (verse 36).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Stage # [/FONT][FONT=&quot]3: God then sent them His own Son and they killed Him (verses 37-39).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Stage # 4[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: The wicked men who killed the Son were destroyed (verse 41)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Stage # 5[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: The kingdom was taken from Israel and given to the Gentiles (verse 43; Acts[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13:46-47).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]These five stages of Israel’s history as described in Matthew 21:33-44 parallel very closely the same stages of Israel’s history as described in Daniel 9:[/FONT]
 
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peterT

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#37
The "prince who is to come" is NOT the same as Messiah, the Prince.... Messiah, the Prince does NOT shatter God's holy people. It is someone else. Daniels week is NOT fulfilled, and the woman has not been to the wilderness for 3.5 years or 1260 days. It's future. God is not a God of confusion, and look what we have done with this passage. I can't agree with zone on this one, nor with the 'amillenialism'. Where is the faith?
The spirit of God seems to be strong in this statement. God bless
 
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peterT

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#38
Daniel 9:26-27
(26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince (Israel) that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
(27) And he (Messiah) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he (Messiah) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Genesis 29:27 Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.

I will say a gene.

Jesus when talking about the end of the world in Matt24 said when you therefor shall see the Abomination of desolation , for then will great tribulation begin.

Then we go to the book of Revelation all about the tribulation end of the world then everything is 3 ½ years. 1260 days, 42 months, time times and ½ time, all 3 ½ years. So the verse Daniel 9:27And he (the prince) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: it is saying 7 years conformed with those verses in Rv, and Genesis 29:27 Fulfil her week, and we will give thee this also for the service which thou shalt serve with me yet seven other years.

You look forward and it must be 7 years and you look back and it must be 7 years. So just this verse one week can be interpreted as 7 years. Not all weeks can be interpreted as 7 years just that verse. unless it can be conformed forward and backward in bible scripture.

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words [are] closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

The prophecy of Daniel is to help Gods people at the time of the end.

Jesus wasn’t talking about are history in matt24 He was talking about the end of the world and his coming NOT are history.

And as for 1260 days being 1260 years unless you can conform it forward and backward in scripture then a day is a day and a year is a year.

Beware lest you be led away from the simplicity of the Gospel.
 
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Laodicea

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#39
Jesus when talking about the end of the world in Matt24 said when you therefor shall see the Abomination of desolation , for then will great tribulation begin.

Matthew 24:1-3
(1) And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
(2) And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
(3) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Matthew 24:15-17

(15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
(16) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
(17) Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Luke 21:20-21
(20) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
(21) Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

We cannot take 1 verse and put our interpretation into it putting these verses together it is clearly talking about the destruction of Jerusalem.
 
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peterT

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#40

We cannot take 1 verse and put our interpretation into it putting these verses together it is clearly talking about the destruction of Jerusalem.
it is clearly talking about the END of the WORLD. And Jesus coming in the CLOUDS after the TRIBULATION. And the tribulation doesn’t start until you shall see the abomination of desolation for then shall begin Great tribulation
Matt24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand.

matt24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This has NOT happened yet

Matt24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

Matt24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This has NOT happened yet.

Take heed that no man deceive you, you are NOT going to deceive ME. This is NOT our history it is future.95% of Christians can see this why can’t you?
I think you don’t want to see it because it doesn’t fit you privet interpretation of prophecy.

Matt24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

This has NOT happened yet.

Luke 21:20-21(20) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

This has NOT happened yet. You may think it’s happened but its talking about the END of the world when Jesus comes in the clouds

Matt24”31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This has NOT happened yet.