Only Believe And Receive
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The more the Bible is opened up the more light to add to other verses to make us see even more light. "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path" Hebrews 4 is an oxymoron instructing us to work--too-----rest. huh???? The divine promise still holds, we enter into His rest through faith. We cease from our works of calculating....rushing....figuring....maneuvering...."worrying" "fearing"
We stop doing and allow Him to do for us. Complete reliance on God's promises. Then the full surrender of the watch care of not only our souls but our bodies to Him. He is good for it. Faith is a strange and unearthly thing. But without faith it is impossible to please God.
T
"Yes. When we remember that we have forgiveness of our sins in Christ it stops us from looking to ourselves and causes us to look to the object of our faith, Jesus Christ, who IS the narrow door....and His character will be manifested in our behavior.." Freenchrist
Agreed!
And so the ultimate target that Jesus gives to us to be "perfect like our Father" is attainable in Him and through Him.
We just have to get rid of ourselves! lol - our worldly egos, our fleshly wills - which impede such perfection in us.
And so I cry ... More of Christ and less of me!
Agreed!
And so the ultimate target that Jesus gives to us to be "perfect like our Father" is attainable in Him and through Him.
We just have to get rid of ourselves! lol - our worldly egos, our fleshly wills - which impede such perfection in us.
And so I cry ... More of Christ and less of me!
So if all one has to do is simply believe then why the distinctions in the parable of the sower
Some will not hear.
Some hear but do not believe.
Some hear and believe
Some hear and believe receiving with joy.
And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
Some hear and believe and receive
such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.
If the seed did not come from heaven then they were right not place any substance in the sower's seed, if the sower received his seed from heaven the they screwed themselves out of a blessing because when you receive the seed given by a sower that he received from heaven then you are not receiving the sower per say but are actually receiving the LORD and is storing your treasure in heaven. And that is drawing the LORD presence closer by your faith. If the sower has not seen his Father, nor heard his voice then where did his seed come from, his own opinion or beliefs. But remember too that the LORD's thoughts are not our thoughts and his ways not ours.
John 3:27
27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
Thus if a sower is sowing seed that is not from heaven, then it is holds no blessing being that it was not given from the LORD. That is why the Gospel is freely given, not because it is free but it operates by faith. The foxes like to reap where they have not sown.
Since the LORD gave the sower the seed so it is not the sower's to sell, the sower must receive the seed in order to it be obtain the blessing. So how does he receive it, he takes the seed, being the testimony he received of the LORD, which the truth that the LORD gives unto them and gives it unto every living creature he can.
Because receiving from the LORD he knows it is the Word and the LORD's Word is an everlasting truth. Moreover, unto him that has more shall be given and those that have not, even that which they have shall be taken away from them. See Proverbs 23:23. And if they reject it then he has still received it because he placed his substance, or worth in the LORD's Word.
The serpents love to say the truth is free you don't have to receive it , especially that receiving is simply believing. Because the serpents reap their pleasure from appeasing their own desire and needs. The Gospel doesn't teach to store your treasure in heaven because it is some divine retirement account, but as written where you put your treasure being the value of your substance there shall you heart be also. If you want a big mansion just remember without the LORD it is just a bunch of rocks so don't let them seduce you with money and don't be afraid to acknowledge that that the Gospel is of value, great value. The truth of this world has worth, the Gospel has enduring value.
Some will not hear.
Some hear but do not believe.
Some hear and believe
Some hear and believe receiving with joy.
And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
Some hear and believe and receive
such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.
If the seed did not come from heaven then they were right not place any substance in the sower's seed, if the sower received his seed from heaven the they screwed themselves out of a blessing because when you receive the seed given by a sower that he received from heaven then you are not receiving the sower per say but are actually receiving the LORD and is storing your treasure in heaven. And that is drawing the LORD presence closer by your faith. If the sower has not seen his Father, nor heard his voice then where did his seed come from, his own opinion or beliefs. But remember too that the LORD's thoughts are not our thoughts and his ways not ours.
John 3:27
27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
Thus if a sower is sowing seed that is not from heaven, then it is holds no blessing being that it was not given from the LORD. That is why the Gospel is freely given, not because it is free but it operates by faith. The foxes like to reap where they have not sown.
Since the LORD gave the sower the seed so it is not the sower's to sell, the sower must receive the seed in order to it be obtain the blessing. So how does he receive it, he takes the seed, being the testimony he received of the LORD, which the truth that the LORD gives unto them and gives it unto every living creature he can.
Because receiving from the LORD he knows it is the Word and the LORD's Word is an everlasting truth. Moreover, unto him that has more shall be given and those that have not, even that which they have shall be taken away from them. See Proverbs 23:23. And if they reject it then he has still received it because he placed his substance, or worth in the LORD's Word.
The serpents love to say the truth is free you don't have to receive it , especially that receiving is simply believing. Because the serpents reap their pleasure from appeasing their own desire and needs. The Gospel doesn't teach to store your treasure in heaven because it is some divine retirement account, but as written where you put your treasure being the value of your substance there shall you heart be also. If you want a big mansion just remember without the LORD it is just a bunch of rocks so don't let them seduce you with money and don't be afraid to acknowledge that that the Gospel is of value, great value. The truth of this world has worth, the Gospel has enduring value.
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2 Corinthians 11:3 King James Version (KJV)
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
The simplicity of the Gospel is often complicated by self-righteousness and works. Jesus is our foundation and, unfortunately, some people have missed that and put barriers between them and God. So it may be simple, but it is essential. If you don't fully comprehend the simplicity of the Gospel you end up trying to obtain the very things Christ is giving freely.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
The simplicity of the Gospel is often complicated by self-righteousness and works. Jesus is our foundation and, unfortunately, some people have missed that and put barriers between them and God. So it may be simple, but it is essential. If you don't fully comprehend the simplicity of the Gospel you end up trying to obtain the very things Christ is giving freely.
The word "make every effort" in 2 Peter 1:5, 10 means in greek - be diligent , make haste ( this is an attitude not self-effort on your own without the life of Christ in you )
In Luke 13:24 it is a completely different word and it means to "contend" to enter the narrow gate which of course is Christ.
The life of Christ inside of us is where His life through and in us is manifested in our outward behavior.
In Luke 13:24 it is a completely different word and it means to "contend" to enter the narrow gate which of course is Christ.
The life of Christ inside of us is where His life through and in us is manifested in our outward behavior.
T
"( this is an attitude not self-effort on your own without the life of Christ in you )" - Grace777x70
I agree with half of what you say here ...
The endeavor to add to our faith (as Peter exhorts) ... is "not self-effort on your own without the life of Christ in you"-Grace
But
I do wonder how we would "add knowledge" without the effort of cracking open a Bible and praying.
I agree with half of what you say here ...
The endeavor to add to our faith (as Peter exhorts) ... is "not self-effort on your own without the life of Christ in you"-Grace
But
I do wonder how we would "add knowledge" without the effort of cracking open a Bible and praying.
We do that by following the Holy Spirit within us. He always leads me to go to the word of God. He also uses creation too like Jesus did. He told His disciples to "look at the birds and lilies..etc"
The one here would be to look at how a plant grows...the plant gets "light"...then the light to the plant produces photosynthesis which in turn makes it grow from the nutrients from the roots...the sap comes up from the root and then the plant bears fruit on it's branches as it is nourished.
This is a beautiful picture of the true Christian life that has Christ as the vine and we are the branches - our whole " fruit bearing "..is dependent on the light and the life of the plant ( which is Christ's life in us ). we are wholly dependent on Him.
Doing good works and a godly life will come by grace and come naturally to us as He lives in and through us. The true Christian life is freeing and wonderful in Him.
Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
The one here would be to look at how a plant grows...the plant gets "light"...then the light to the plant produces photosynthesis which in turn makes it grow from the nutrients from the roots...the sap comes up from the root and then the plant bears fruit on it's branches as it is nourished.
This is a beautiful picture of the true Christian life that has Christ as the vine and we are the branches - our whole " fruit bearing "..is dependent on the light and the life of the plant ( which is Christ's life in us ). we are wholly dependent on Him.
Doing good works and a godly life will come by grace and come naturally to us as He lives in and through us. The true Christian life is freeing and wonderful in Him.
Colossians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
T
"Doing good works and a godly life will come by grace and come naturally to us as He lives in and through us. The true Christian life is freeing and wonderful in Him."- grace777x70
I agree with that! Maybe we have been on the same page all along and arguing semantics?
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My qualm is against those who are sinning heinously daily, repetitively, and without remorse while at the same time "proclaiming" (usually loudly) that they are "saved". These people live sinful lives and tell others that it is fine to do the same as long as you asked Jesus to be your Lord and Savior.
I have obviously brought baggage against that type of "Christian" here ...
You're not saying this are you?
I agree with that!
Maybe we have been on the same page all along and arguing semantics?***
My qualm is against those who are sinning heinously daily, repetitively, and without remorse while at the same time "proclaiming" (usually loudly) that they are "saved". These people live sinful lives and tell others that it is fine to do the same as long as you asked Jesus to be your Lord and Savior.
I have obviously brought baggage against that type of "Christian" here ...
You're not saying this are you?
We are on the same page for sure. People that sin without having any willingness to change are simply not under grace no matter how much they "say" they are.
That is called licentiousness and they are actually "replacing " grace for licentiousness as Jude talks about. The word for "turning in KJV " means " to transpose "...it is a very interesting study as the word doesn't mean to turn grace into licentiousness but to "transpose it " or "exchange "......move from one place to another
.the other times used in the NT were when Enoch was "translated" in Heb 11:5....the priesthood being "changed out " in Heb 7:12.....believers being "removed " from grace in Gal 1:6...and the final time was when Jacob's bones were "removed" from one place to another in Acts 7:16
These people "exchanged" the grace of God for licentiousness will have the below happen to them unless God brings mercy to them on this earth before death comes.
Romans 8:12-13 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh—
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
That is called licentiousness and they are actually "replacing " grace for licentiousness as Jude talks about. The word for "turning in KJV " means " to transpose "...it is a very interesting study as the word doesn't mean to turn grace into licentiousness but to "transpose it " or "exchange "......move from one place to another
.the other times used in the NT were when Enoch was "translated" in Heb 11:5....the priesthood being "changed out " in Heb 7:12.....believers being "removed " from grace in Gal 1:6...and the final time was when Jacob's bones were "removed" from one place to another in Acts 7:16
These people "exchanged" the grace of God for licentiousness will have the below happen to them unless God brings mercy to them on this earth before death comes.
Romans 8:12-13 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh—
[SUP]13 [/SUP] for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
"Doing good works and a godly life will come by grace and come naturally to us as He lives in and through us. The true Christian life is freeing and wonderful in Him."- grace777x70
I agree with that! Maybe we have been on the same page all along and arguing semantics?
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My qualm is against those who are sinning heinously daily, repetitively, and without remorse while at the same time "proclaiming" (usually loudly) that they are "saved". These people live sinful lives and tell others that it is fine to do the same as long as you asked Jesus to be your Lord and Savior.
I have obviously brought baggage against that type of "Christian" here ...
You're not saying this are you?
I agree with that!
Maybe we have been on the same page all along and arguing semantics?***
My qualm is against those who are sinning heinously daily, repetitively, and without remorse while at the same time "proclaiming" (usually loudly) that they are "saved". These people live sinful lives and tell others that it is fine to do the same as long as you asked Jesus to be your Lord and Savior.
I have obviously brought baggage against that type of "Christian" here ...
You're not saying this are you?
No problem..it's good to ask questions. Us "grace" believers get accused of being licentious all the time from those that do not understand grace properly...and it doesn't matter how many times we say that true grace will "teach" us to live godly in this world.....they keep saying the exact opposite...it's just the nature of the beast I suppose....
The "Acceptance" aspect of the gospel of the grace of Christ is a major stumbling block to the "works-salvation" believers.
But Paul on 3 occasions had to defend what he taught about the grace of Christ because people were accusing him of being licentious and saying that they can sin all they want. It's a true sign of the gospel being preached when you get accused of that. If we are not accused of saying people can sin all they want when they hear the true gospel..then the true gospel has not been preached.
The leading theologian of modern times ( now gone to be with the Lord ) has this to say about preaching the true gospel and what signs to look for in order to see if what we are preaching is really the true gospel..
The "Acceptance" aspect of the gospel of the grace of Christ is a major stumbling block to the "works-salvation" believers.
But Paul on 3 occasions had to defend what he taught about the grace of Christ because people were accusing him of being licentious and saying that they can sin all they want. It's a true sign of the gospel being preached when you get accused of that. If we are not accused of saying people can sin all they want when they hear the true gospel..then the true gospel has not been preached.
The leading theologian of modern times ( now gone to be with the Lord ) has this to say about preaching the true gospel and what signs to look for in order to see if what we are preaching is really the true gospel..
I have never heard of the idea of two types of grace. Acceptance grace and empowering grace. (Nods) ... This makes sense to me and adds to my understanding.
Thank you Grace
PS - I apologize for the baggage ...
Thank you Grace
PS - I apologize for the baggage ...