ONLY CHRIST'S ATONEMENT SATISFIES GOD

joaniemarie · Oct 3, 2017

[FONT=&quot]I don't have a problem with the Bible teaching of JP so why would I address this problem you see that I don't see or have a problem with? I don't have a problem with a whole bunch of different Christians even if they don't agree with me.

You make no sense here except that you want to call to arms anyone who dislikes a pastor from Singapore named Joseph Prince.

Will you call to arms all Christians who you believe should be against OTHER Christians who don't agree with you. All the other thousands of Christians teachers writers evangelists, Pastors, Preachers who have written or spoken or shared Jesus Christ. there are many maybe millions.[/FONT]

joaniemarie · Oct 3, 2017

Not sure how long you will last as you pit one believer against another believer 7seas. That is a false gospel if anything is.

Nehemiah6 · Oct 3, 2017

joaniemarie said:

That should be "I believe all our PAST sins are forgiven..." Since John is writing to believers who can sin and will sin (knowingly or unknowingly) he is dealing with PRESENT SINS.

No one denies that all our sins were laid on Christ, and He bore the punishment for all of them. But that does NOT translate into ignoring our present sins and not dealing with them as God expects (and as John writes by Divine inspiration). And here is where Prince and his cohorts introduce false doctrine.

You omitted a critical component of that verse, so let's go back and see what Scripture really says:
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

So what this verse says is that there is no condemnation for only those Christians who walk in the Spirit. But according to John's first epistle, there will be times when Christians will "walk after the flesh", or "walk in darkness", or in other words sin. Therefore Christians must not only confess their sins but REPENT of those present sins.

Just because John does not explicitly say "confess and repent" does not mean that a guy like Prince can come along and say "that does not mean repent". That is not only false doctrine, but it is a sin against anyone who reads what he writes and simply believes his nonsense.

joaniemarie · Oct 3, 2017

Nehemiah6 said:

There are no added words of condition after Romans 8:1. That was added by the translators on their own. Even some of 'them' could not accept the truth that there is therefore NOW no more condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. It doesn't depend on how we walk, it depends on Jesus Christ and His gift of righteousness to us. We are the rigthteousness of God in Christ now.

If you read one of the better translations you will read Romans 8:1 in it's simplicity without the added ideas of human reason that can't understand there being forgiveness and no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus regardless of any sin ...past.... present or future. All is forgiven IN Christ Jesus. No conditions except having Jesus.

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.

No one but you have said we "ignore" our sins. We deal with our sins today knowing we are no longer condemned in and by them any more. They are dealt with by our free access to God through His Son Jesus. If any man sins we have an Advocate with the Father now. We did not have that before we received Jesus.

That is how we deal with sins., we go with confidence to the throne of grace and find help in time of need. We are no longer condemned with the world. When we believers fail today, our Advocate is there and we are convicted of our righteous standing in Jesus and Him alone. We are aware of Jesus and His provision now and no longer are under the curse of sin.

That is how we deal with any and all sin. We don't ignore them., we put them where they belong., forgiven. We believe in the finished work of Christ on the cross.

joaniemarie · Oct 3, 2017

[FONT=&quot]John is not preaching conditional forgiveness. He says as much in the next few verses. We are not forgiven on account of our works of confession but on “account of His name” (2:12). Only those who receive the gift of forgiveness get to call themselves “forgiven,” but the gift has been given already. On the cross the Lamb of God did away with the sins of the world (2:2).[/FONT][FONT=&quot]So what’s all this business about confessing in 1 John 1:9? Why does John sound like he is quoting the Old Testament?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Because he is quoting the Old Testament! John is paraphrasing an Old Testament scripture to illuminate a New Testament concept. Look at these two passages side by side and see if they resemble one another:

John is not preaching an old law (confess to be forgiven); he is using old and familiar language to describe something that would have been new and strange to his readers.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In this regard he is just like Paul who quotes the exact same Psalm in Romans 4:7-8. Paul quotes Psalm 32 to show that we are blessed through faith and not works; John quotes Psalm 32 to show that we won’t be blessed except through faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For that is what the word “confess” actually means in Greek. It does not mean review your sins. It means to agree with or say the same thing as another. Since faith is a positive response to something God has said or done, confession with the mouth is the articulation of faith in the heart.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Gifts are for those who want them[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This makes perfect sense when you read the 1 John 1:9 in context. In chapter 1 John was addressing some unsaved dudes who thought they were sinless. In other words, they had a terminal case of self-righteousness. (I know it’s hard to swallow the idea that the Bible was written for non-Christians as well as Christians but it was. The good news is for everyone.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]John doesn’t mince his words. He says these guys had no fellowship with God, they walked in darkness, and the truth was not in them. He was not describing Christians or the “dear children” of chapter 2.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]If you are self-righteous, then you won’t see your need for the gift of His righteousness. If you think you are without sin, then you won’t see your need for the gift of His forgiveness. John writes to say, “That’s dumb – stop calling God a liar, agree with Him about your sorry sinful state, and receive His gift of forgiveness. Only those in Christ are truly sinless. Only those who trust in His grace receive the already-given gift of forgiveness.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]There is nothing wrong with 1 John 1:9. It is pure, unadulterated good news. Any problems that arise in connection with this verse stem from confusion about what makes the new covenant new. On the cross the Lamb of God carried the sins of the world. That’s what forgiveness is – it is sending your sins away. Now they are gone as far as the east is from the west.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]To recap, the wrong way to read 1 John 1:9 is to think that God will forgive only those sins you for which you own up and accept responsibility. (This is nightmare theology!) The right way is to agree that the cross is the once and for time solution to all your sin.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]You have been eternally forgiven through the blood of the Lamb. Forgiveness is one of the greatest treasures ever given to humanity. Don’t insult the Giver by trying to pay for His incredible gift; just say “Thank you Jesus.”

I agree with Paul Ellis on this topic of 1 John 1:9 based on the gift of righteousness and how we do not step in and out of the righteousness of God in Christ. Jesus gives us the place to stand and we need to stand. Don't allow the enemy to take away the ground already given to you in Christ. Be aware of the truth and use it when condemnation comes. Because the world the flesh and the devil will send condemnation our way. We use the Word to refute all the lies of the enemy.
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joaniemarie · Oct 3, 2017

I wish I could write as eloquently as other Christians but will have to rely on cut and paste so these lovely truths are not missed because of my lack of writing skills.

[FONT=&quot]12 reasons why Christians don’t need to confess-to-be-forgiven[/FONT]
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1. It’s not in the Bible. To confess (homologeo) is to agree with God. We all need to agree that we are sinful and in need of a Savior. We also need to agree that our sins were dealt with once and for all at the cross. We need to agree with the scriptures that say we are eternally and completely forgiven. We need to stop misreading 1 John 1:9.[/FONT]
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2. You were forgiven 2000 years ago. All your sins were future sins – you hadn’t been born yet.[/FONT]
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3. You were forgiven through his blood. Your forgiveness was paid for with God’s blood. Your works don’t come into it.[/FONT]
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4. You were forgiven completely for all time. Jesus will never go to the cross again.[/FONT]
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5. You were forgiven in accordance with the riches of God’s grace. Forgiveness is his business and his gift to give. Receive it or reject it but you can’t earn it.[/FONT]
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6. Your sins are long gone. Jesus’ sacrifice was the atom bomb that did away with sin.[/FONT]
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7. God chooses to forget your sin. God is love. Love keeps no record of wrong. Your heavenly Father is not a fault-finder.[/FONT]
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8. The Holy Spirit is not convicting you. The law convicts, but the Holy Spirit liberates. How could he convict you of something he chooses not to remember?[/FONT]
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9. Confessing-to-be-forgiven puts us under law. Mixing God’s grace with man’s works is like mixing milk with poison. The result is not going to be good for you.[/FONT]
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10. Confessing-to-be-forgiven empowers sin. Instead of dealing with sin and releasing life, law-based confession stirs up sin and leads to death.[/FONT]
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11. Confessing-to-be-forgiven keeps us from God. When dealing with people, confessing sins and seeking forgiveness may help heal a guilty conscience. But God doesn’t relate to us with human love. Reviewing our sins in a religious way can harm a good conscience and shipwreck our faith.[/FONT]
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12. Confessing-to-be-forgiven makes us sin-conscious, not Christ-conscious. Every minute you spend dwelling on your sin is a minute wasted. You’re not worthy? Get over yourself! Christ is worthy![/FONT]
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Why confess-to-be-forgiven when it’s not in the Bible?[/FONT]
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I am not against confession. True confession is putting faith into words; it is articulating God’s promises, God’s declarations, and God’s will. But confessing-to-be-forgiven is a dead work. Whether you confess to a priest or directly to God makes no difference. If you do it because you believe it makes you righteous or acceptable to God, what need have you of a Savior? You have set aside grace and put yourself under law.[/FONT]
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You won’t find any believer in the New Testament confessing their sins to be forgiven. So why do we do it? Why do we spend so much time and energy on a death-dealing extra-Biblical practice? I can think of at least 4 reasons.[/FONT]

We do it simply because we’ve always done it. (So read your Bible, renew your mind and live free.)
We do it because we think our sin is greater than God’s grace. (It isn’t.)
We do it because we are fearful of unconfessed sin. (Sin is sin and on the cross Jesus dealt with it all – big sin, small sin, secret sin and unconfessed sin. There is no sin that escaped his perfect redeeming work.)
We do it because we are fearful of judgment day and uncertain about our forgiveness. We hope we’ve been forgiven, but we worry that might not be. If this is you, listen to the words of Jesus: “My friend, don’t worry! Your sins are forgiven.” (Mt 9:2, CEV)

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At some point you’re just going to have to step out in faith and trust that when Jesus said “it is finished” that it really was finished. At the cross, your sin was dealt with once and for all time. Look at Jesus and cheer up![/FONT]
I agree again with Paul Ellis on this topic of the imputed Righteousness of Christ.

joaniemarie · Oct 3, 2017

There is a long line of Christians like me who believe in the gift of righteousness given that will not be taken away because the gift of salvation is irrevocable. We are sealed in His righteousness. It's sad when Christians don't understand the truth of that. If we allow the enemy to steal these truths we won't be able to walk in them. We can live like paupers even though we are children of the Lord and have been given all things pertaining to life and Godliness.

That is why so many Christians are weak and sickly and even die. We can allow the enemy to steal from us., then destroy our lives here and ultimately kills us IF we don't know and practice the truths in the Bible by faith. If we walk by our sight and never learn to walk by faith we will be easy pickins.

Desertsrose · Oct 3, 2017

Sorry, Joanmarie.

I didn't mean you, as in you, Joanmarie as a direct accusation because as I've said in my previous posts, I responded in opposition to the devotion written by Joseph Prince.

I can only judge others by what they say they believe, but even then, I still don't know where a person is at with the Lord.

I was caught up in WOF and I didn't get unsaved. God takes all into account and knows/sees where we are at in our dying breath. He sees before that and knows the steps we'll take before we put one foot before the other.

Tomorrow you might leave Joseph Princes teachings and see them as false as I did and left the WOF.

Please accept my apology. It clearly looks like I was saying you in particular. As I read it that is what I says. But it's not what I meant to say.

joaniemarie said:

Desertsrose · Oct 3, 2017

joaniemarie said:

Hi Joaniemarie,

So what does one do with an advocate? You ask them to plead your case before a judge. SO when we sin, the Lord will plead our case because we've broken the law. We sinned.

So we go to the advocate and tell Him we've sinned against Him and ask for forgiveness. And because Jesus shed His blood for us, we will be forgiven because He paid the debt that we owe for our sins which is His death on the cross.

His blood purchased our forgiveness, but the sins committed after the new birth is forgiven in real time. We still must repent of them and turn away from them. The promise is to cleanse us from all unrighteousness as part of the sanctification process.

FlSnookman7 · Oct 3, 2017

Desertsrose said:

Hi Joaniemarie,

So what does one do with an advocate? You ask them to plead your case before a judge. SO when we sin, the Lord will plead our case because we've broken the law. We sinned.

So we go to the advocate and tell Him we've sinned against Him and ask for forgiveness. And because Jesus shed His blood for us, we will be forgiven because He paid the debt that we owe for our sins which is His death on the cross.

His blood purchased our forgiveness, but the sins committed after the new birth is forgiven in real time. We still must repent of them and turn away from them. The promise is to cleanse us from all unrighteousness as part of the sanctification process.

Jesus blood covers all sin, past, present and future. If His blood did not cover future sin how could we be saved now from an event that happened 2000 years ago?

joaniemarie · Oct 3, 2017

Desertsrose said:

Walking in faith is the sanctification process. I answered this in the previous posts and in great detail and even posted a much better writer than me who described it in better detail. So, you didn't read it. We don't step in and out of our righteous standing. Our standing of righteousness is secure IN Christ., so how do you interpret that verse? I interpret that verse to mean John was speaking to those who were not righteous yet.

As Fishnookman said., we were forgiven all our sins as soon as we received Jesus. His payment for our sin basically in "real time" kicked in for us when we believed. And as far as time goes., Jesus paid for my sins over 2000 years ago when He died on the cross. Jesus doesn't need to go back and do the whole process again and neither do we. By faith we accept His sacrifice once for all.

When I sin today., I thank Jesus for taking care of me and always making intercession for me because He is my Great High Priest. Because Jesus is unlike each and every old testament human high priest., with each and every one of their blood sacrifices of bulls and goats...., over all the life time of each and every high priest who lived.., AND died of old age or sickness or whatever.,

these high priests taught other younger men to take over for them and they were raised up to be newer high priest who lived and died.... All these human high priests and their sacrifices for sin needed to be made over and over and over and over again for the people., ....... But Jesus sacrifice "sticks" for as long as He lives. And Jesus lives after the power of an endless life.

Do you see the difference? No more sinful human high priests making intercession for people with their rule keeping and their animal blood sacrifices year after year after year...... Jesus Himself the perfect God-man became the sinless lamb Himself and did this once for all. I acknowledge this about Him for myself personally. I accept His 100% forgiveness for the long standing gift it is for my life. It lasts forever.

Each day I learn how to walk it out by faith..., believing my only access to God is through Jesus the Perfect Great High Priest and not dependent on my human performance or anyone else's., Only His finished work on the cross when His blood was shed. We are each day soiled by the world the flesh and the devil and we need only to have our feet washed. That is done by the "water of the Word"

When we go to communion we go in the knowledge of what Jesus did for us. We receive communion in remembrance of Jesus and the amazing sacrifice that was made as He said to do this in memory of Him. It's a time of acknowledging Jesus forgiveness for all my sin., and we can come boldly to the throne of grace and find help in time of need because we don't have to plead our case anymore. We remember Jesus paid it all. Communion is a time of thankful worship not dreadful encounters.

joaniemarie · Oct 3, 2017

FlSnookman7 said:

Amen. This was a difficult concept for me when I first heard it. We are as the preachers say "creatures of time" Thanks for your posts and your support here.

joaniemarie · Oct 3, 2017

Other verses come to mind like "For sin shall not have dominion over you for you are not under law but under grace. " We are not under the law and guilty to break it anymore. We were taken out from the law of sin and death and brought into His marvelous light. WOW. We are no longer of the night but of the day.

Our place is in righteousness now because we were MADE righteous by His blood. Now our sins and lawless deeds He remembers no more.... That means something major when it's understood.

"The forgiveness of your sins is established on unmerited favor., you cannot earn it with confessions."

Speak2Me · Oct 3, 2017

MarcR said:

MarcR, I've read your posts in other threads, & was impressed with your understanding and depth in the Bible. But now I'm totally perplexed at how you could give a thumbs-up to Joseph Prince, since most baby christians who have read up on him wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.

Mat 7:15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
I ask you, how can you back this man, knowing he can't possibly show good fruit?

joaniemarie · Oct 3, 2017

joaniemarie said:

John is not preaching conditional forgiveness. He says as much in the next few verses. We are not forgiven on account of our works of confession but on “account of His name” (2:12). Only those who receive the gift of forgiveness get to call themselves “forgiven,” but the gift has been given already. On the cross the Lamb of God did away with the sins of the world (2:2).So what’s all this business about confessing in 1 John 1:9? Why does John sound like he is quoting the Old Testament?
Because he is quoting the Old Testament! John is paraphrasing an Old Testament scripture to illuminate a New Testament concept. Look at these two passages side by side and see if they resemble one another:

John is not preaching an old law (confess to be forgiven); he is using old and familiar language to describe something that would have been new and strange to his readers.
In this regard he is just like Paul who quotes the exact same Psalm in Romans 4:7-8. Paul quotes Psalm 32 to show that we are blessed through faith and not works; John quotes Psalm 32 to show that we won’t be blessed except through faith.
For that is what the word “confess” actually means in Greek. It does not mean review your sins. It means to agree with or say the same thing as another. Since faith is a positive response to something God has said or done, confession with the mouth is the articulation of faith in the heart.
Gifts are for those who want them
This makes perfect sense when you read the 1 John 1:9 in context. In chapter 1 John was addressing some unsaved dudes who thought they were sinless. In other words, they had a terminal case of self-righteousness. (I know it’s hard to swallow the idea that the Bible was written for non-Christians as well as Christians but it was. The good news is for everyone.)
John doesn’t mince his words. He says these guys had no fellowship with God, they walked in darkness, and the truth was not in them. He was not describing Christians or the “dear children” of chapter 2.
If you are self-righteous, then you won’t see your need for the gift of His righteousness. If you think you are without sin, then you won’t see your need for the gift of His forgiveness. John writes to say, “That’s dumb – stop calling God a liar, agree with Him about your sorry sinful state, and receive His gift of forgiveness. Only those in Christ are truly sinless. Only those who trust in His grace receive the already-given gift of forgiveness.”

There is nothing wrong with 1 John 1:9. It is pure, unadulterated good news. Any problems that arise in connection with this verse stem from confusion about what makes the new covenant new. On the cross the Lamb of God carried the sins of the world. That’s what forgiveness is – it is sending your sins away. Now they are gone as far as the east is from the west.
To recap, the wrong way to read 1 John 1:9 is to think that God will forgive only those sins you for which you own up and accept responsibility. (This is nightmare theology!) The right way is to agree that the cross is the once and for time solution to all your sin.
You have been eternally forgiven through the blood of the Lamb. Forgiveness is one of the greatest treasures ever given to humanity. Don’t insult the Giver by trying to pay for His incredible gift; just say “Thank you Jesus.”

I agree with Paul Ellis on this topic of 1 John 1:9 based on the gift of righteousness and how we do not step in and out of the righteousness of God in Christ. Jesus gives us the place to stand and we need to stand. Don't allow the enemy to take away the ground already given to you in Christ. Be aware of the truth and use it when condemnation comes. Because the world the flesh and the devil will send condemnation our way. We use the Word to refute all the lies of the enemy.

Worth posting again since it wasn't read by some the first time.

UnderGrace · Oct 3, 2017

joaniemarie said:

I do find that very cute....thanks for the smile.

UnderGrace · Oct 3, 2017

Amen!

All sins past, present and future, forgiven, the debt is paid for the believer, if we need to confess every sin for sanctification even after being born again then what happens if we miss one is the other question that comes to my mind?

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Nehemiah6 · Oct 4, 2017

FlSnookman7 said:

Yes the blood of Jesus Christ covers all sins. But notice carefully (all fans of Joseph Prince) how the apostle John presents this truth in view of the present sins of believers (1 John 1:7):

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Now let's take a closer look at exactly what is being taught to us by God (in the context of 1 John 1-2:6). A text without context is a pretext (as someone has said a long time ago). And since this is addressed to believers, it is a given that their past sins were forgiven (remitted) when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ and received Him as Lord and Savior. So John is not taking about past sins, but present sins (and no Christian dare make God a liar by claiming he/she has no present sins (1 John 1:8,10).

Getting back to the verse in question:

1. as he is in the light -- God is Light and in Him is no darkness at all. "Darkness" is a metaphor for sin and evil, and God is absolutely righteous and holy. And that has a bearing on our fellowship with Him.

2. But if we walk in the light -- Does this not imply that it is possible for the Christian to NOT walk in the Light? If that were not so, there would be no reason for "if". So the "if" implies a condition.

3. we have fellowship one with another -- John has already said that the condition for fellowship (communion) with God is to walk in the Light. Now He says that this is also the condition to have fellowship with other believers who are walking in the Light.

4.and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin -- so this is speaking about our present cleansing from sin, by the application of the blood of Christ to our present sins.

Now this final truth cannot be isolated from the context in which it has been given. So what is the context?

1. God wants us to have fellowship with Him and with His Son Jesus Christ (1:3)

2. Our joy cannot be complete or full unless we have fellowship with the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (no mentioned but integral) (1:4)

2. God cannot have fellowship with Darkness because He Himself is Light (1:5)

3. If we claim we have fellowship with God but at the same time we sin, we are liars (1:6)

4. But if we walk in the Light, then we have fellowship with God and with one another, and it is the blood of Christ which keeps us clean from all sin (1:7)

5.However, we cannot claim that we have no sin, since that means self-deception and absence of truth within (1:8)

6. If we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and cleanse us from all unrighteousness (1:9)

So here is the crux of the matter. While past sins have been forgiven, present sins must be confessed honestly. But is there any value in confessing present sins and failing to repent?So while John does not say "If we confess our sins and repent" that is implied, and anyone who teaches otherwise is a false teachers.

Therefore to simply say (as FISnookman has done) "Jesus blood covers all sin, past, present and future" is insufficient to address the issue which Prince failed to address, and in fact stated emphatically that confession does not imply repentance. In fact he dismissed repentance thus:
What about repentance then?

The word “repentance” is metanoia in the Greek, which means to change one’s mind. For example, you used to believe that Jesus was just a good man. Then one day, you repented and believed that He is the Son of the living God, who died for your sins and rose again on the third day, and you gladly took Him as your Savior.

Bible repentance is not this idea of hitting or punishing yourself to atone for your sins. Don’t turn it into a human work, like the man who went to a priest to confess his sins. When they were done, the priest asked the man, “By the way, what do you do for a living?” The man replied, “I’m a contortionist,” and proceeded to give a demonstration. Another man came along wanting to confess his sins. When he saw the contortionist all twisted up on the ground, he said, “If this is repentance, forget it!” and ran off!

My friend, there is no need to climb the Himalayas or whip your back bloody to atone for your sins. No amount of self-punishment or crying can atone for them. Your sins have already been punished fully in the body of Jesus. Only His finished work satisfies God. So change your mind and simply believe that Jesus alone is the propitiation for your sins!
Absolutely nothing about dealing with present sins, but a lot of useless words.

joaniemarie · Oct 4, 2017

Nehemiah., These questions were answered but you apparently have not read the posts. I'll repost one of them for you again. Please read. Paul Ellis agrees with JP., and then those 2 guys agree with a bunch of other Christians like me for instance., who agrees with a bunch of other Christians and so it goes. I know this comes as a shock to you but not every Christian sees every Bible in the exact same context as you do.

12 reasons why Christians don’t need to confess-to-be-forgiven

1. It’s not in the Bible. To confess (homologeo) is to agree with God. We all need to agree that we are sinful and in need of a Savior. We also need to agree that our sins were dealt with once and for all at the cross. We need to agree with the scriptures that say we are eternally and completely forgiven. We need to stop misreading 1 John 1:9.

2. You were forgiven 2000 years ago. All your sins were future sins – you hadn’t been born yet.

3. You were forgiven through his blood. Your forgiveness was paid for with God’s blood. Your works don’t come into it.

4. You were forgiven completely for all time. Jesus will never go to the cross again.

5. You were forgiven in accordance with the riches of God’s grace. Forgiveness is his business and his gift to give. Receive it or reject it but you can’t earn it.

6. Your sins are long gone. Jesus’ sacrifice was the atom bomb that did away with sin.

7. God chooses to forget your sin. God is love. Love keeps no record of wrong. Your heavenly Father is not a fault-finder.

8. The Holy Spirit is not convicting you. The law convicts, but the Holy Spirit liberates. How could he convict you of something he chooses not to remember?

9. Confessing-to-be-forgiven puts us under law. Mixing God’s grace with man’s works is like mixing milk with poison. The result is not going to be good for you.

10. Confessing-to-be-forgiven empowers sin. Instead of dealing with sin and releasing life, law-based confession stirs up sin and leads to death.

11. Confessing-to-be-forgiven keeps us from God. When dealing with people, confessing sins and seeking forgiveness may help heal a guilty conscience. But God doesn’t relate to us with human love. Reviewing our sins in a religious way can harm a good conscience and shipwreck our faith.

12. Confessing-to-be-forgiven makes us sin-conscious, not Christ-conscious. Every minute you spend dwelling on your sin is a minute wasted. You’re not worthy? Get over yourself! Christ is worthy!

Why confess-to-be-forgiven when it’s not in the Bible?

I am not against confession. True confession is putting faith into words; it is articulating God’s promises, God’s declarations, and God’s will. But confessing-to-be-forgiven is a dead work. Whether you confess to a priest or directly to God makes no difference. If you do it because you believe it makes you righteous or acceptable to God, what need have you of a Savior? You have set aside grace and put yourself under law.

You won’t find any believer in the New Testament confessing their sins to be forgiven. So why do we do it? Why do we spend so much time and energy on a death-dealing extra-Biblical practice? I can think of at least 4 reasons.

We do it simply because we’ve always done it. (So read your Bible, renew your mind and live free.)
We do it because we think our sin is greater than God’s grace. (It isn’t.)
We do it because we are fearful of unconfessed sin. (Sin is sin and on the cross Jesus dealt with it all – big sin, small sin, secret sin and unconfessed sin. There is no sin that escaped his perfect redeeming work.)
We do it because we are fearful of judgment day and uncertain about our forgiveness. We hope we’ve been forgiven, but we worry that might not be. If this is you, listen to the words of Jesus: “My friend, don’t worry! Your sins are forgiven.” (Mt 9:2, CEV)

At some point you’re just going to have to step out in faith and trust that when Jesus said “it is finished” that it really was finished. At the cross, your sin was dealt with once and for all time. Look at Jesus and cheer up!
[FONT=&quot]I agree again with Paul Ellis on this topic of the imputed Righteousness of Christ.
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joaniemarie · Oct 4, 2017

UnderGrace said:

Yes., what if someone doesn't have a good memory? I guess that person would not get very sanctified.....

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