Orthodox Christianity

[crossnote]

And what relevance has this individual's moral behavior have with the eastern orthodox christian faith?
Was he less of a sinner before discovering the orthodox faith and becoming an orthodox christian?
I don't know how he belittled his father (you never said how, only that he did it), but if indeed, he dishonored his father, how do you know that he didn't repent for it? If he didn't repent from it it means that he didn't dishonored his father and has a clear conscience about how he treated his parents. Either way, we don't know. And bringing intimate things of this man's life seems like a dishonorable thing in itself and with no relevance on the topic.

It wasn't intimate, he loud mouthed it in the media.
I doubt he has born again in the first place and is probably why he went E.O. being attracted by the religious trappings, icons, and history...very little to do with the living Christ.
He never repented, at least didn’t loud mouth it.

 

[GuessWho]

It wasn't intimate, he loud mouthed it in the media.
I doubt he has born again in the first place and is probably why he went E.O. being attracted by the religious trappings, icons, and history...very little to do with the living Christ.
He never repented, at least didn’t loud mouth it.

What did he "loud mouthed"? How did he dishonored his father?

 

[sydlit]

Where'd ya go?

 

[Magenta]

What? That Mary is not the mother of Jesus Christ (God)?

I never said Mary was not the mother of Jesus Christ.
Your dishonesty leaves much to be desired. Good bye.

 

[sydlit]

I never said Mary was not the mother of Jesus Christ.
Your dishonesty leaves much to be desired. Good bye.

I think it was a ref to Jesus never saying it, not magenta, gueswho.

 

[GuessWho]

I never said Mary was not the mother of Jesus Christ.
Your dishonesty leaves much to be desired. Good bye.

It's not dishonesty. I just don't get your point.

Goodbye.

 

[atwhatcost]

Why is this relevant?

Because Franky was fighting against his parents instead of following God.

(Not that I'm getting any of why folks are answering a question now when the OP left years ago.)

 

[GuessWho]

I think it was a ref to Jesus never saying it, not magenta, gueswho.

The conclusion being that Mary was not the mother of Jesus Christ because He didn't refer to her as such?

 

[GuessWho]

Because Franky was fighting against his parents instead of following God.

(Not that I'm getting any of why folks are answering a question now when the OP left years ago.)

If by fighting against his parents you mean he had different views than them, than no, he didn't dishonor them.

Only because someone criticize his father's beliefs doesn't mean he belittles his father.

I bet that if it would have been the other way around, if Franck was brought up as an eastern christian orthodox and would have chosen to become calvinist, you wouldn't have said that he dishonored his parents.

 

[sydlit]

Because Franky was fighting against his parents instead of following God.

(Not that I'm getting any of why folks are answering a question now when the OP left years ago.)

good one, lynn, you got me crackin up again. Somebody call the OPer, tell em we think we found an answer. Rofl

 

[atwhatcost]

And what relevance has this individual's moral behavior have with the eastern orthodox christian faith?
Was he less of a sinner before discovering the orthodox faith and becoming an orthodox christian?
I don't know how he belittled his father (you never said how, only that he did it), but if indeed, he dishonored his father, how do you know that he didn't repent for it? If he didn't repent from it it means that he didn't dishonored his father and has a clear conscience about how he treated his parents. Either way, we don't know. And bringing intimate things of this man's life seems like a dishonorable thing in itself and with no relevance on the topic.

Why did OP want to be EO? Read the first post.

How do we know where Frank is now? Common knowledge. Feel free to google. It's not like it's a big secret. Why are you sticking up for a guy you don't even know anything about? Your chief complaint is exactly why we bring it up.

And bringing intimate things of this man's life seems like a dishonorable thing in itself

At least be consistent.

 

[atwhatcost]

It's not dishonesty. I just don't get your point.

Goodbye.

Nanny nanny nu nu isn't a good defense.

 

[atwhatcost]

If by fighting against his parents you mean he had different views than them, than no, he didn't dishonor them.

Only because someone criticize his father's beliefs doesn't mean he belittles his father.

I bet that if it would have been the other way around, if Franck was brought up as an eastern christian orthodox and would have chosen to become calvinist, you wouldn't have said that he dishonored his parents.

No, "fighting with his parents" didn't suddenly become a new definition. I disagree with 98% of what my Dad believes, yet I don't fight against him -- publicly (like Frank made his name doing) or privately. You're still fighting from a base of ignorance. It makes no sense.

 

[crossnote]

What did he "loud mouthed"? How did he dishonored his father?

Here is just a sample of many...
Losing Patience with Frank Schaeffer - The American Vision

Why are you even asking? It was so well known, or are you trying to trip me up?
Are you E.O.? It bothers me not, just maybe you are trying to defend him at all costs.

 

[atwhatcost]

It wasn't intimate, he loud mouthed it in the media.
I doubt he has born again in the first place and is probably why he went E.O. being attracted by the religious trappings, icons, and history...very little to do with the living Christ.
He never repented, at least didn’t loud mouth it.

Correction. He hasn't repented yet. He's still alive. We have no idea what God's plans for him are.

 

[crossnote]

Correction. He hasn't repented yet. He's still alive. We have no idea what God's plans for him are.

Right. I don’t think I said 'he repented', I just wasn't sure if he had or hadn't.

 

[GuessWho]

Here is just a sample of many...
Losing Patience with Frank Schaeffer - The American Vision

Why are you even asking? It was so well known, or are you trying to trip me up?
Are you E.O.? It bothers me not, just maybe you are trying to defend him at all costs.

Yes, I am. I don't try to defend him at all costs. I just don't believe that arguing with you parents over different views doesn't make you dishonoring your parents.

Also, I don't think that some individual's moral behavior should determine the truth of a faith.

But since you brought up the commandment "thou shalt honor your parents", I noticed that while some people criticize this man for dishonoring his parents, at the same others criticize e.o. christians for honoring Saint Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ (who is God, thus making her the mother of God). And these people imply that we shouldn't honor her because Jesus Christ Himself didn't honor her.

Not very coherent from their part...

 

[Willie-T]

Aren't "Honor" and "Worship" two different words, with entirely different connotations? I've never prayed to my mother or father.

 

[GuessWho]

Aren't "Honor" and "Worship" two different words, with entirely different connotations? I've never prayed to my mother or father.

Yes, they are.

On CC there is a forum called "prayer request". In E.O. we also requests prayers from saints, angels, saint Mary. Because we believe they are the triumphant "part" of the church, while we are the fighting "part" of the same church. We are still struggling with sin, while they are no longer.

 

[GuessWho]

Yes, I am. I don't try to defend him at all costs. I just don't believe that arguing with you parents over different views doesn't make you dishonoring your parents.

Also, I don't think that some individual's moral behavior should determine the truth of a faith.

But since you brought up the commandment "thou shalt honor your parents", I noticed that while some people criticize this man for dishonoring his parents, at the same others criticize e.o. christians for honoring Saint Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ (who is God, thus making her the mother of God). And these people imply that we shouldn't honor her because Jesus Christ Himself didn't honor her.

Not very coherent from their part...

In the bold part I meant to say that arguing with your parents over religious, political, cultural views and ideas doesn't mean you are dishonoring them.