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I have been giving hundreds of scriptures to everyone here, which support Calvinism. The only response I have seen is a few weak verses which were taken out of context.
Here are just a few, I will give you many more after you deal with these and refute and deny each verse. Then you will expose your true position.
How blessed is the one whom You choose and bring near to You
To dwell in Your courts.
We will be satisfied with the goodness of Your house,
Your holy temple.
– Ps 65:4
The Lord has made everything for its own purpose,
Even the wicked for the day of evil.
– Prov 16:4
And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
– Mt 24:31
now, will not God bring about justice for His elect who cry to Him day and night, and will He delay long over them?
– Luke 18:7
So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
And all the Gentiles who are called by My name,’
Says the Lord, who makes these things known from long ago.
– Acts 15:17-18
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
– Romans 8:28- 30
Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies;
– Rom 8:33
for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,
– Romans 9:11
For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
– Romans 9:15-16 (the whole chapter)
God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?
– Rom 11:2
In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace. What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;
– Romans 11:5-7
but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory;
– 1 Cor 2:7
He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,…
also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,
– Ephesians 1:5,11
knowing, brethren beloved by God, His choice of you;
– 1 Thes 1:4
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
– 2 Thes 2:13
Paul, a bond-servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness,
– Titus 1:1
according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
– 1 Peter 1:2
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
– Rev 13:8
Aren’t some of these so obvious??
Some that believe in free will may try to avoid proper hermanuetics when it comes to these verses to support what they believe, or they flat out just reject these verses. But it’s clear. And if all glory is to God and not to ourselves and if we were dead in sin before we were saved, how could we raise ourselves from the dead? To deny predestination you’d have to reject God Omniscience and that He even had a plan when He created the heavens and the earth. Thank God He has predestined us, because it is in our nature to reject God and if He didn’t seal us, we would fall away in a heart beat.
Be thankful for God, His Omniscience, and Grace to save you. Soli Deo Gloria & Sola Gratia!
Here are just a few, I will give you many more after you deal with these and refute and deny each verse. Then you will expose your true position.
How blessed is the one whom You choose and bring near to You
To dwell in Your courts.
We will be satisfied with the goodness of Your house,
Your holy temple.
– Ps 65:4
The Lord has made everything for its own purpose,
Even the wicked for the day of evil.
– Prov 16:4
And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
– Mt 24:31
now, will not God bring about justice for His elect who cry to Him day and night, and will He delay long over them?
– Luke 18:7
So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
And all the Gentiles who are called by My name,’
Says the Lord, who makes these things known from long ago.
– Acts 15:17-18
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
– Romans 8:28- 30
Who will bring a charge against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies;
– Rom 8:33
for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,
– Romans 9:11
For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
– Romans 9:15-16 (the whole chapter)
God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?
– Rom 11:2
In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace. What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened;
– Romans 11:5-7
but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory;
– 1 Cor 2:7
He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will,…
also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will,
– Ephesians 1:5,11
knowing, brethren beloved by God, His choice of you;
– 1 Thes 1:4
But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.
– 2 Thes 2:13
Paul, a bond-servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness,
– Titus 1:1
according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
– 1 Peter 1:2
All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
– Rev 13:8
Aren’t some of these so obvious??
Some that believe in free will may try to avoid proper hermanuetics when it comes to these verses to support what they believe, or they flat out just reject these verses. But it’s clear. And if all glory is to God and not to ourselves and if we were dead in sin before we were saved, how could we raise ourselves from the dead? To deny predestination you’d have to reject God Omniscience and that He even had a plan when He created the heavens and the earth. Thank God He has predestined us, because it is in our nature to reject God and if He didn’t seal us, we would fall away in a heart beat.
Be thankful for God, His Omniscience, and Grace to save you. Soli Deo Gloria & Sola Gratia!
We we are different to everyone else, my Reformed Baptist Church is non denominational so none of that applies to us. We are a Biblical Church, Christ is our only authority and we are ruled by His Word and not some old pedophile in a frock.
If you took the time to study the Bible and allow it to guide you, you would arrive at the same conclusion but you are led by fallen men and fallen angels.
If you took the time to study the Bible and allow it to guide you, you would arrive at the same conclusion but you are led by fallen men and fallen angels.
We were not discussing calvinism and I am not going to engage in that discussion with you. You disagree with my belief concerning God having provided to all mankind that which is needed to come to Him and yet allowing mankind to reject Him through suppressing the truth in unrighteousness. So be it.
We were discussing an incident wherein you claimed you were walking through the mall and a woman appeared in your line of sight and your eyes quickly beheld her which resulted in sin on your part.
I responded in Post #2,375 that what you described was not what Jesus indicates results in sin as shown in Matt 5:28.
You then indicated that you had sinned even though you had fought against the process of lusting. I then explained to you in Post #2,393 what is stated in James 1:12-15 concerning temptation, lust, and sin.
You then changed your story to indicate that you did more than what you initially stated.
Throughout this whole discussion, you never acknowledged Scripture presented to you concerning what it means to look on a woman to lust after her to the point that your behavior constitutes adultery.
As I stated earlier today, go back and study your Bible for a few more years and then re-join the discussion when you are able to deal with these issues in a Christ-like manner.
We were discussing an incident wherein you claimed you were walking through the mall and a woman appeared in your line of sight and your eyes quickly beheld her which resulted in sin on your part.
I responded in Post #2,375 that what you described was not what Jesus indicates results in sin as shown in Matt 5:28.
You then indicated that you had sinned even though you had fought against the process of lusting. I then explained to you in Post #2,393 what is stated in James 1:12-15 concerning temptation, lust, and sin.
You then changed your story to indicate that you did more than what you initially stated.
Throughout this whole discussion, you never acknowledged Scripture presented to you concerning what it means to look on a woman to lust after her to the point that your behavior constitutes adultery.
As I stated earlier today, go back and study your Bible for a few more years and then re-join the discussion when you are able to deal with these issues in a Christ-like manner.
You DO know people are at different "levels" of walk in thier relationship with God don't you? AND because each have a unique relationship with God...God "speaks" to each of us differently..including through His word..so how can you compare by saying that everyone else's INTERPRETATION of the Bible is wrong...if God gives me insight about a verse..how can you come along and say it's WRONG when God himself spoke those words into my life? Even YOU..if you read the Word now and the same verses 5 yrs from now..they might have "new meanings" to you as you learn and grow in your walk with God...and really..I don't know what you're talking about.."seeing right through me and exposing liars" etc..was that directed to me PERSINALLY and what did that have to do with my previous reply to you?
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Lol. You don't even know me. And you're already judging yourself superior to me. But, tell me some more about how awesome your Scriptural understanding is compared to me and 90% of all other Christians?
Here's one you can start with:
Phil 2:3 Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.
What are your thoughts about this Scripture?
Here's one you can start with:
Phil 2:3 Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.
What are your thoughts about this Scripture?
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Christ will keep us repented, baptized and righteous...but will you ..."maintain until the end"....? If not then you will not receive eternal salvation and you will end in hell.
Your feeble attempt to transfer guilt to the works side and blame Christ is elementary...at best.
Study scripture.
Further, why wasn't your OSAS position established before the 1960's? Did the civil and moral revolution of that era create your delusion/deception? I think so...because the OSAS malfunction has no record in Christianity before that era. Why ?...did we just get smarter in that time frame allowing a better perception of scriptures? That didn't happen.
Christ will keep us repented, baptized and righteous...but will you ..."maintain until the end"....? If not then you will not receive eternal salvation and you will end in hell.
Your feeble attempt to transfer guilt to the works side and blame Christ is elementary...at best.
Study scripture.
Further, why wasn't your OSAS position established before the 1960's? Did the civil and moral revolution of that era create your delusion/deception? I think so...because the OSAS malfunction has no record in Christianity before that era. Why ?...did we just get smarter in that time frame allowing a better perception of scriptures? That didn't happen.
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I guess it's a good thing what you believe does not produce salvation, Christians would be in trouble 
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When I was younger, I took what my pastor said as infallible. I would defend his beliefe and beliefe in my church at all costs.. Sadly, I was just like many of these people. I could not even see the truth because I was to proud to admit I might not have truth.
I still do not think I have all truth, if I ever get to that point, I become useless to God. Because my pride has taken over.
I still do not think I have all truth, if I ever get to that point, I become useless to God. Because my pride has taken over.
Yes agree that the solid foundation of the cross is salvation, what we build on it will be the life expression of every Christian, good or bad. So as for denominational beliefs and the like they are just beliefs. Which is good for the growth of a Christian, we move from one understanding to another in time for most. So thank God for understanding it's a key to the believer maturing hungering after the word.