Our new relationship to the law.

[eternally-gratefull]

The whole concept of “ being in sin” seems rather confusing. At times I have heard it implied believers can’t be in sin or practice sin. However as I understand it, believers sin every day and can sin frequently. I do like how Jesus tells Peter we ought to forgive seven time seventy times( See Matthew 18:21-22) for this is a picture of God’s forgiveness for our failings. It is a limitless forgiveness.

Being in sin or practicing sin is a mental attitude.

A child who has never met God is in sin, because his whole focus is on self. He can’t “not sin”

A child who is in God is trained to serve other and love others as God loved them. Because of this he “can’t sin”

its a lifestyle

I agree. We still sin. Probably every day. But it is not our lifestyle. Our mental attitude is out. Not in. While a non believer is focused inward. He is incapable of focusing outward.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Because, even though he didn't steal, he coveted.

Nope

you missed the whole point

The one guy did not sin, because he thought of the owner of the item. He thought of God. And he thought of all who would pay for his sin. His focus was outward

The other did sin, because his focus was inward. He was selfish. He did not want to break the law. And get caught, He did not want to suffer the consequences. He instead wanted to go to his buddies and boast of how he was tempted but did not break the law. And how good he was.

Sin is inward thinking, the root of all sin is not the law. it is self. If your focused on loving others. Producing the fruit of the spirit with the power of God and God himself. You will not sin.

while yes. Sin is breaking the law. Thats not the root cause of sin. The root cause of sin is fleshly thinking. YOu do not even need to do the act to sin. In fact. Before you have commited any act of sin, you have already signed. Inwardly. Because your focus is on self. Scripture calls this the flesh.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

However, my question was not whether the law is the whole of scripture; but whether you believe that there are sins that are not mentioned in the Holy Bible.

No there are not sin not mentioned in the Bible. Your question is a strawman. You can;t answer my questions so you have to attack and ask these silly questions that are not worth asking

The scriptures do not only contain the law; they also contain the gospel.

the scripture contains so much more than this.

Does the law portion of scripture cover everything in your opinion?

We have been over this 1000 times.

The purpose of the law is….

Paul gave you that answer in Gal 3. If you still do not understand that. Ask paul

Or is it missing something?

The law is perfect. Your not

That would be unfortunate for you.

No pride here. Your not God my friend. Your not even showing you can understand the word.

Ignoring you would be good for my sanity.

But if you did, I would pray for you that the Holy Spirit might be able to reach your soul where I can't.

The Holy Spirit reached my soul many decades ago my friend.

You can;t reach my soul because you have nothing to offer me. But fear and hopelessness

How am I acting that you think that people will not be edified by the teaching of holy scripture that I bring to the table?

PRIDE!

Your all about self. What you THINK you offer. And what YOU THINK you are.

You can;t offer anyone anything when you are all about self.

 

[Ogom]

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@eternally-gratefull

what we see in others is not always how they are. it can be part, but not alll... and/or it can be very much a projection from our own mind. but also just as each (most?) of us are imperfect. the flaws (and/or imagined flaws) we see in another can begin to be all we see -- too much of what we can see -- even if they are not always there -- especially online, but maybe not even in person either always... forgetting ourselves also -- in all this kind of thinking that each of us can do -- that we are not perfect or all-knowing like God -- especially of another or their mind or heart -- and also that we ourselves can be many ways throughout the day and at various times. sometimes more like Christ, sometimes much less. but not all one way right? people are more like multi-colored (i believe).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

@eternally-gratefull

what we see in others is not always how they are. it can be part, but not alll... and/or it can be very much a projection from our own mind. but also just as each (most?) of us are imperfect. the flaws (and/or imagined flaws) we see in another can begin to be all we see -- too much of what we can see -- even if they are not always there -- especially online, but maybe not even in person either always... forgetting ourselves also -- in all this kind of thinking that each of us can do -- that we are not perfect or all-knowing like God -- especially of another or their mind or heart -- and also that we ourselves can be many ways throughout the day and at various times. sometimes more like Christ, sometimes much less. but not all one way right? people are more like multi-colored (i believe).

Again
when someone says we only have to climb 50 feet when in really you have to climb 1000. Someone needs to warn them
when we claim Gods standard is 10
Commands (50 feet) and that we can lise
Salvation (meaning we must work to keep it)
they need warnedthere is no
Confusion in what they believe. If you can’t see it. I do not know
Not know what to say brother

 

[Ogom]

Again
when someone says we only have to climb 50 feet when in really you have to climb 1000. Someone needs to warn them
when we claim Gods standard is 10
Commands (50 feet) and that we can lise
Salvation (meaning we must work to keep it)
they need warnedthere is no
Confusion in what they believe. If you can’t see it. I do not know
Not know what to say brother

every day is a winding road. a song I was listening to recently.

I have heard it said that the reason we are here -- not in heaven is because we are not perfect. something to think about.

 

[justbyfaith]

Being in sin or practicing sin is a mental attitude.

A child who has never met God is in sin, because his whole focus is on self. He can’t “not sin”

A child who is in God is trained to serve other and love others as God loved them. Because of this he “can’t sin”

its a lifestyle

I agree. We still sin. Probably every day. But it is not our lifestyle. Our mental attitude is out. Not in. While a non believer is focused inward. He is incapable of focusing outward.

Sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).

 

[justbyfaith]

Nope

you missed the whole point

The one guy did not sin, because he thought of the owner of the item. He thought of God. And he thought of all who would pay for his sin. His focus was outward

The other did sin, because his focus was inward. He was selfish. He did not want to break the law. And get caught, He did not want to suffer the consequences. He instead wanted to go to his buddies and boast of how he was tempted but did not break the law. And how good he was.

Sin is inward thinking, the root of all sin is not the law. it is self. If your focused on loving others. Producing the fruit of the spirit with the power of God and God himself. You will not sin.

while yes. Sin is breaking the law. Thats not the root cause of sin. The root cause of sin is fleshly thinking. YOu do not even need to do the act to sin. In fact. Before you have commited any act of sin, you have already signed. Inwardly. Because your focus is on self. Scripture calls this the flesh.

Yes; whenever we sin we violate the law (1 John 3:4).

And I think that you have things backwards.

The one who is sinning on the inside is sinning even if he is not sinning outwardly.

Both people in a given situation may not outwardly commit adultery; however one of them may be committing adultery in their heart because they are lusting.

The person who sins on the inside of themselves is sinning even if they are not sinning on the outside.

Because the law is spiritual.

Even in the ten commandments, God gives us a hint.

He tells us not to steal; and then later he tells us not to even covet.

This is hinting to us that the other commandments also, which had to do with outward behaviour, also had an inward application.

 

[justbyfaith]

No there are not sin not mentioned in the Bible.

If you actually agree with this, then what was your previous contention? Was it not that the law doesn't speak of every sin? That we need more than the law to define sin for us?

But if there is no sin that isn't mentioned in the Bible, then according to my definition of the law (that it is every moral tenet given in holy scripture), then the law does in fact speak of every sin.

 

[justbyfaith]

No pride here. Your not God my friend.

No; but I have God dwelling on the inside of me.

 

[justbyfaith]

PRIDE!

You have three fingers pointing back at you (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

It is very common for people to see their own sins, magnified in others. Even when those sins do not exist in that other person, if it even appears to be so, they will judge that person according to the flesh and according to the outward appearance.

 

[justbyfaith]

Again
when someone says we only have to climb 50 feet when in really you have to climb 1000. Someone needs to warn them
when we claim Gods standard is 10
Commands (50 feet) and that we can lise
Salvation (meaning we must work to keep it)
they need warnedthere is no
Confusion in what they believe. If you can’t see it. I do not know
Not know what to say brother

The Holy Spirit is perfectly capable of showing someone that they have not climbed the whole way up if that person is walking in the light as He is in the light (1 John 1:7).

 

[justbyfaith]

Even Paul considered that there was nothing against him concerning judgment and was no worse off for it (while he also considered that his understanding, that he had a clear conscience, did not justify him; but that He who would judge him was the Lord.

1 Corinthians 4:3-4.

 

[Dino246]

You have three fingers pointing back at you (Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42).

It is very common for people to see their own sins, magnified in others. Even when those sins do not exist in that other person, if it even appears to be so, they will judge that person according to the flesh and according to the outward appearance.

Given that several people are identifying pride in you, you’d be foolish to ignore it.

 

[justbyfaith]

Given that several people are identifying pride in you, you’d be foolish to ignore it.

I was once given an award for humility and proceeded to pin it up on my wall.

Of course I will not deny that pride may be one of the remaining elements of sin that remains in my life.

And, since it is your doctrine that we cannot be perfect in this life, allow me to utilize that to tell you that I don't need to change since I am a sinner and that cannot be remedied, according to your doctrine.

The fact that you also identify me as being prideful indicates that you also have three fingers pointing back at you. I say this for your benefit and not to deflect the issue.

 

[Dino246]

And, since it is your doctrine that we cannot be perfect in this life,

On the basis of what evidence do you make this assertion?

The fact that you also identify me as being prideful indicates that you also have three fingers pointing back at you. I say this for your benefit and not to deflect the issue.

There is nothing you can say that will benefit me. Deal with YOUR pride.

 

[justbyfaith]

On the basis of what evidence do you make this assertion?


There is nothing you can say that will benefit me. Deal with YOUR pride.

The only pride I have is over the fact that I am excessively humble.

 

[justbyfaith]

Did anyone ever stop to think, that, since in the last days God is going to send a powerful delusion to all those who "believed not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness", and that is going to be the majority at that time in history;

That those who are not deluded will be in the minority and therefore may even be counted as mentally ill (delusional) by the rest; who in all reality are the ones who are actually deluded?

2Th 2:11, And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12, That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Thus, it may very well be, that on the day of judgment, that those who were counted as outcasts and insane by society, will be counted as having been sane all along; and those who were counted as sane will be counted as not having been in their right minds.

Jesus turned everything on its head when He spoke the Beattitudes.

Those who truly believe in Christ,, and follow His teachings, are an upside-down people.

It will be found that we were in our right minds all along because we did what it would take in order to have everlasting life in a just society in heaven.

This post demonstrates your inflated view of yourself and your disparagement of others. You keep assuming that others are spiritually inferior to you. That’s unmitigated c**p. I have never before encountered someone who is simultaneously so wrong on so many levels and who also thinks they are right and everyone else is wrong.

I have concluded that you are delusional, deeply deceived, and dangerous. You need help.

I consider this to be a personal attack.

It should be clear that if anyone is born again of the Holy Spirit (spiritual) that they cannot be mentally ill (2 Timothy 1:7 (kjv)).

However, it is also clear from the holy scriptures that there will come a day when, because of "thine iniquity and the great hatred", those who are spiritual will be considered to be mad (Hosea 9:7).

Paul himself had to defend against the accusation on more than one occasion (Acts 26:24-25, 2 Corinthians 5:13).

There was a woman in the church named Rhoda who had more faith than other believers in the group; and they considered her to be mad because of it (Acts 12:12-15).

2Ti 1:7, For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Hos 9:7, The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come; Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred.
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Act 26:24, And as he thus spake for himself, Festus said with a loud voice, Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad.
Act 26:25, But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness.

2Co 5:13, For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.
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Act 12:12, And when he had considered the thing, he came to the house of Mary the mother of John, whose surname was Mark; where many were gathered together praying.
Act 12:13, And as Peter knocked at the door of the gate, a damsel came to hearken, named Rhoda.
Act 12:14, And when she knew Peter's voice, she opened not the gate for gladness, but ran in, and told how Peter stood before the gate.
TAct 12:15, And they said unto her, Thou art mad. But she constantly affirmed that it was even so. Then said they, It is his angel.

 

[gb9]

comparing oneself to Paul, any of the Apostles , or even Jesus Himself.

a sure sign of pride.

 

[Dino246]

It should be clear that if anyone is born again of the Holy Spirit (spiritual) that they cannot be mentally ill (2 Timothy 1:7 (kjv)).

Wrong. Mental illness affects genuine Christians as well as non-Christians.