Pagan Christianity?

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Churinga

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Far better to be known for what we do rather than what we say our friends and neighbors miss very little and relations are not blind but the overriding fact is that we can fool those around us but God sees every thought and deed. There has always been a remnant of true Gentile believers throughout history and always will and God alone knows who they are. To a casual observer Christianity is so tolerant that God has turned a blind eye to the way Christians live and raise their families which amounts to an anything goes attitude which when compared to the way Jews live if it wasn’t so critical to the individuals destiny it would be laughable. By choice we ignore Gods handling of the children of Israel when they spoke against God through Moses directions the punishment was swift to act as a deterrent to others and yet the sinful attitude continued to such an extent that very few entered the Promised Land, including Moses. The Easter Bunny Halloween and Christmas is pagan yet have become as ingrained in some quarters as to be normal behavior. At other times gluttony is encouraged in the full knowledge that people go hungry within the USA and abroad without a twinge of conscious. The catch cry to counter such behavior is “ we are Abrahams spiritual seed saved by Grace” and the sad part is most believe it without ever sitting down to examine themselves.
 

Lillywolf

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An oxymoron. There is no such thing as Pagan Christianity.
 

JaumeJ

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An oxymoron. There is no such thing as Pagan Christianity.

It seems there is such if we understand it to be apostacy within the brethren. That is people teaching God said something He did not.
 

iamsoandso

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Far better to be known for what we do rather than what we say our friends and neighbors miss very little and relations are not blind but the overriding fact is that we can fool those around us but God sees every thought and deed. There has always been a remnant of true Gentile believers throughout history and always will and God alone knows who they are. To a casual observer Christianity is so tolerant that God has turned a blind eye to the way Christians live and raise their families which amounts to an anything goes attitude which when compared to the way Jews live if it wasn’t so critical to the individuals destiny it would be laughable. By choice we ignore Gods handling of the children of Israel when they spoke against God through Moses directions the punishment was swift to act as a deterrent to others and yet the sinful attitude continued to such an extent that very few entered the Promised Land, including Moses. The Easter Bunny Halloween and Christmas is pagan yet have become as ingrained in some quarters as to be normal behavior. At other times gluttony is encouraged in the full knowledge that people go hungry within the USA and abroad without a twinge of conscious. The catch cry to counter such behavior is “ we are Abrahams spiritual seed saved by Grace” and the sad part is most believe it without ever sitting down to examine themselves.

it's as though God removed a carnal temple then left the rest to us and in all our wisdom all we saw to change were the pictures and toys as if the Jews were drawing all the wrong pictures and playing with all the wrong toys...
 

TMS

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An oxymoron. There is no such thing as Pagan Christianity.
What would you call pagan practices that have been given christian names and meaning? Easter is pagan but has been given christian meanings.
I call it pagan christianity when the two are mixed together. True christianity does not have pagan practices mixed through it.
 

Demi777

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Far better to be known for what we do rather than what we say our friends and neighbors miss very little and relations are not blind but the overriding fact is that we can fool those around us but God sees every thought and deed. There has always been a remnant of true Gentile believers throughout history and always will and God alone knows who they are. To a casual observer Christianity is so tolerant that God has turned a blind eye to the way Christians live and raise their families which amounts to an anything goes attitude which when compared to the way Jews live if it wasn’t so critical to the individuals destiny it would be laughable. By choice we ignore Gods handling of the children of Israel when they spoke against God through Moses directions the punishment was swift to act as a deterrent to others and yet the sinful attitude continued to such an extent that very few entered the Promised Land, including Moses. The Easter Bunny Halloween and Christmas is pagan yet have become as ingrained in some quarters as to be normal behavior. At other times gluttony is encouraged in the full knowledge that people go hungry within the USA and abroad without a twinge of conscious. The catch cry to counter such behavior is “ we are Abrahams spiritual seed saved by Grace” and the sad part is most believe it without ever sitting down to examine themselves.
Backlash for the truth coming...
 

Dino246

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Jun 30, 2015
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Far better to be known for what we do rather than what we say our friends and neighbors miss very little and relations are not blind but the overriding fact is that we can fool those around us but God sees every thought and deed. There has always been a remnant of true Gentile believers throughout history and always will and God alone knows who they are. To a casual observer Christianity is so tolerant that God has turned a blind eye to the way Christians live and raise their families which amounts to an anything goes attitude which when compared to the way Jews live if it wasn’t so critical to the individuals destiny it would be laughable. By choice we ignore Gods handling of the children of Israel when they spoke against God through Moses directions the punishment was swift to act as a deterrent to others and yet the sinful attitude continued to such an extent that very few entered the Promised Land, including Moses. The Easter Bunny Halloween and Christmas is pagan yet have become as ingrained in some quarters as to be normal behavior. At other times gluttony is encouraged in the full knowledge that people go hungry within the USA and abroad without a twinge of conscious. The catch cry to counter such behavior is “ we are Abrahams spiritual seed saved by Grace” and the sad part is most believe it without ever sitting down to examine themselves.
Have you sat down and examined yourself? Or, as so many do, are you content to cast aspersions at the general population of Christianity and sidestep any personal responsibility? There is far more integrity in stating that you, personally, choose not to partake in "Christian" celebrations of Christmas or Easter (even if your reasons are flawed) than in stating "most Christians are foolish and ignorant"... which is the gist of your post.
 

pottersclay

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Pagan christianty ? Now we have a appropriate name to go with the condition. I have referred to them as self made Christian's.
I going way past the holiday thing and am getting to the fact of personal walk and lifestyle.
If your belief in Christ has not changed your lifestyle better rethink your belief. Are the motives you have for you or for God?
Do you crave to read and study for instruction or just to know and debate. Just some of the things that may not be in a pagan Christian's life. Only you know.
Nobody wants to be a fanatic but where do you draw the line?? There is no line ......it relationship.
Do you take the word of God seriously? Or is it a neat thing to belong to and be recognized for?
The best gift we were ever given was the gift of prayer....we all have it....we all need it. We can't seek the kingdom without it.
We all have asked for money.....that special person, ....this and that ,but have you ever asked the Lord for love? To love more because you do not have it. Trust....because you don't have any? Compassion....because you lack.
If you lack ask....but what is it to ask a miss? David says in the Psalms that he doesn't pray with lying lips. What does that mean?
Being truthful that you lack...that you don't do what you are asked. That you have a hard time or even you have no desire.
Always remember God will meet you where you are. So ask.
 

Hevosmies

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hah. Those ignorant Christians dont know anything, still celebrating Christmas (celebrating Jesus' birth you know..) and Easter (celebrating the gospel, death burial and resurrection of Jesus...).
Dont even got enough sense to stop celebrating pagan holidays.

Well, im sure glad im a lot smarter than them. Im more humble too.

as MC hammer would say: "cant touch this"
 

JaumeJ

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Can't touch that!
 

Lillywolf

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What would you call pagan practices that have been given christian names and meaning? Easter is pagan but has been given christian meanings.
I call it pagan christianity when the two are mixed together. True christianity does not have pagan practices mixed through it.
I don't know where you live, but if you lived in Europe, England for instance, and attended a church there, you'd likely be singing hymns on what use to be consecrated ground for pagan rites.
When the Christian missionaries entered Great Britain they converted or murdered the pagans they found there. And the sacred sites that had been used for ritual for generations were burned. Atop the remains those Christians built churches. Their point was to vanquish their Christian Devil from the area where no pagan believed in a devil nor did they ever worship such a thing.

The days of the week in the Christian calendar are the names of pagan God's and Goddesses. Christainized so as to overcome their "power" with the intention of Christ.
All those holidays celebrated today? Christmas, Easter, are indeed pagan rooted. Blame the Christian church, the Roman Catholic to be precise, and also for Sun-day church worship. Early Christians thought they would co-opt Pagan ritual days and overcome them with the honoring of Christ.
One thing they didn't count on. The falsity of that.
Jesus wasn't born on December 25. Nothing in scripture gives a date for his birth, and nothing in scripture says his birth day should be honored. While pagans, uneffected by the December 25 "Christ's Mass" calendar date worshiped on the Winter Solstice from December 21st unto December 23rd.

Easter, was formerly the ritual day of the goddess Ostara. The goddess of fertility. Again, having not a thing to do with Christianity whatever when co-opting it to symbolize Jesus resurrection. And that day was typically scheduled for rites and worship during the Spring Equinox. March 20th to March 23rd.

"Halloween" was in Europe was called Samhain, pronounced "sow-en". It was the time to celebrate the harvest of plenty, wherein the villagers would survive a harsh winter. This is also why their god of the wood is depicted as either a man wearing antlers, or a stag. Because in winter that was the one meat animal they could avail themselves of to survive winter also. That is if the law of the King of England wasn't still prosecuted so as to make all deer in the woods of England his private property. "Poaching" of which by villagers, starving peasants, being a death penalty offense.
Christian missionaries saw the horned stag honored by those pagan, peasant, villagers and attached the Christian Devil to the image when in reality there was no such being in Pagan faith.

Pagans were decapitated, burned, or hanged, in Europe by those who intended to convert all of Europe to the prince of peace.

Today, Christianity is Christianity. Being nothing the early conversion missions co-opted from Pagans actually pertained to pagans, there is no such thing today as Pagan Christianity.
Christmas isn't celebrated on Winter Solstice.
Nor is Easter.
And the days of our week are so far removed from the pagan name god's and goddesses as to make even that irrelevant.
The only thing that remains in practice that was pagan, Roman pagan, was the Roman's Catholic faithful conceding to worship God on the Suns-day, like unto the Romans.
When in reality, they'd formerly recognized Sabbath as Jesus did. From sundown Friday unto sundown Saturday.
But in order to survive in Rome at that time, the early Roman church compromised so as to let their worship appear to be synced, if just on the day, with Saturnalia. The worship of the Roman god Saturn.
 

p_rehbein

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God the Son took upon Himself the form of man, and through the miracle of Virgin birth, came to earth to establish God the Father's salvation plan for all men. We know that is Truth. The day He was born has been in heated debate since.............we know that is Truth. The miracle of His birth is surely an event worthy enough to have His Church celebrate. Long ago, by men and women I will never (in this life) know decided to celebrate that miraculous event on December 25th. Did it coincide with a pagan holiday? Yes. There aren't many days, that do not represent something in the pagan religion, so, to choose a day that would not coincide would be kinda difficult I imagine. And, as I understand it, the believers of the early Church were still drawn to the pagan celebrations they had participated in all along, and the leaders of the early Church decided it would be a good idea to establish a Christ worthy celebration to get the early believers to refocus on Christ/God. (don't remember where I read all of this, been awhile). Makes sense to me.

As with many things the pagans of that day, and the pagans of this day celebrate, I believe they have had their fun, and have controlled those days LONG ENOUGH. Time to seize them, and take them back, and give them back to the One who Created all, and make them Christ worthy of celebration.

As for me and my house, we will celebrate [with a sincere and contrite heart] through reading of Scripture, prayers of thanksgiving, song, communal fellowship, the breaking of bread the WONDERFUL BIRTH OF CHRIST OUR LORD. And, as it happens that the majority of Christians do this on December 25th (which is as good a day as any) we also will celebrate His Birth on December 25th.

Everything above applies to our celebration of Resurrection Sunday. Thanksgiving.

Every person on these Forums, and throughout the world has the God given right to choose for themselves what they will do.........so I do not criticize them for the choices they make. And, I pay no heed to their criticisms of the choices I make, for what I choose to believe, celebrate is between me and God. I do not seek or need the approval of man.......any man.

With that being said................let me say

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AMEN!
 

Locutus

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Far better to be known for what we do rather than what we say our friends and neighbors miss very little and relations are not blind but the overriding fact is that we can fool those around us but God sees every thought and deed. There has always been a remnant of true Gentile believers throughout history and always will and God alone knows who they are. To a casual observer Christianity is so tolerant that God has turned a blind eye to the way Christians live and raise their families which amounts to an anything goes attitude which when compared to the way Jews live if it wasn’t so critical to the individuals destiny it would be laughable. By choice we ignore Gods handling of the children of Israel when they spoke against God through Moses directions the punishment was swift to act as a deterrent to others and yet the sinful attitude continued to such an extent that very few entered the Promised Land, including Moses. The Easter Bunny Halloween and Christmas is pagan yet have become as ingrained in some quarters as to be normal behavior. At other times gluttony is encouraged in the full knowledge that people go hungry within the USA and abroad without a twinge of conscious. The catch cry to counter such behavior is “ we are Abrahams spiritual seed saved by Grace” and the sad part is most believe it without ever sitting down to examine themselves.
Bread and water for you from now on boyo.
 

JaumeJ

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kOnly our Father knows teh hearts of man.