Passover/Unleavened Countdown . . .For Those Who Celebrate Them

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I'm fairly new at this too! Trying to follow the dates from Aviv onward keeps me busy each year.
I'm so used to the Gregorian calendar...I hope that one day it will be easier to keep up with the months and times (Biblical calendar) for the feasts. I have miscounted a few times...

I've never heard of the four cups. It sounds interesting. I'll have to Google Mark Blitz. :)
I's not an easy thing I have found, to reprogram the brain about when the New year begins too. An interesting thing to note about the adversary, he doesn't want us to know what time it is! that makes me want to know all the more. If we trace back through history, it is not hard to find what the adversary hates the most, and it is most likely the things that God loves the most!:)

Forgot to include also, with my post about what the 4 cups represents:

6Wherefore say unto the children of Israel, I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians, and I will rid you out of their bondage, and I will redeem you with a stretched out arm, and with great judgments: 7And I will take you to me for a people, and I will be to you a God
 

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We had a church cleaning day today to get ready for Passover, and to do a thorough cleaning of the church and to remov any leaven. We had a great turnout today with almost everyone getting excited about what God is doing in our church and in individual's lives. Even the kids were blessed by the act of cleaning, and the lessons God taught them through it.

Only 22 more hours! (at least for us here in Colorado)
I hope you all are getting excited as well, and are expecting God to move in might ways.

Peace,
Matt
 
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Anyone wonder that the last time we had a red moon on Passover, Israel became a nation in 1948?
 
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What you say is inaccurate and un-biblical.

Exo 12:49 “There is one Torah for the native-born and for the stranger who sojourns among you.”

and
Act 15:19 “Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the gentiles who are turning to Elohim,
Act 15:20 but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 “For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath.”


This was the solution to the circumcision "problem." Every new, gentile believer could go to any city on Sabbath and listen to the Torah, since that was the "scripture" they had at that time. This is how the elders decided the newcomers could begin to overcome paganism.

Also, Yeshua is the vine, we are the branches. What is it that Paul says about the vine?

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, have been grafted in among them, and came to share the root and fatness of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not boast against the branches. And if you boast, remember: you do not bear the root, but the root bears you!

We have glomed on to the Jewish religion. Why do you think your god is so unreliable that forever doesn't mean forever?

Gen_17:7 And I shall establish My covenant between Me and you and your seed after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be Elohim to you and your seed after you."

Exo_31:13 And you, speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘My Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign1 between Me and you throughout your generations, to know that I, יהוה, am setting you apart.

Everlasting means forever. It's simple, man. Either you believe the word, or you don't. If you don't, you should stop trying to say you do then twist the word to fit your meaning. If you don't want to be obedient, just say so.


In the books of Exodus and Deuteronomy; the Lord is addressing His people Israel.

The Children of Israel were to keep the feasts of the LORD.

Christians are not commanded to keep the Jewish Feasts.

And if one wants to keep the Jewish Feasts; then they must go to Jerusalem. Since Jerusalem is the place where God chose to place His Name (Deut. 16:2,6,7,11,15,16) and (2 Chron. 30:1,2,3,5,11,13,14,21,26).
 

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Anyone wonder that the last time we had a red moon on Passover, Israel became a nation in 1948?
I've been hearing more and more about the whole red moon at Passover thing, and how it's supposed to co-incide with a red moon at Sukkot as well, but I know very little about it all.
 
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What you say is inaccurate and un-biblical.

Exo 12:49 “There is one Torah for the native-born and for the stranger who sojourns among you.”

and
Act 15:19 “Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the gentiles who are turning to Elohim,
Act 15:20 but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 “For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath.”


This was the solution to the circumcision "problem." Every new, gentile believer could go to any city on Sabbath and listen to the Torah, since that was the "scripture" they had at that time. This is how the elders decided the newcomers could begin to overcome paganism.

Also, Yeshua is the vine, we are the branches. What is it that Paul says about the vine?

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, have been grafted in among them, and came to share the root and fatness of the olive tree,
Rom 11:18 do not boast against the branches. And if you boast, remember: you do not bear the root, but the root bears you!

We have glomed on to the Jewish religion. Why do you think your god is so unreliable that forever doesn't mean forever?

Gen_17:7 And I shall establish My covenant between Me and you and your seed after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be Elohim to you and your seed after you."

Exo_31:13 And you, speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘My Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign1 between Me and you throughout your generations, to know that I, יהוה, am setting you apart.

Everlasting means forever. It's simple, man. Either you believe the word, or you don't. If you don't, you should stop trying to say you do then twist the word to fit your meaning. If you don't want to be obedient, just say so.

Exo_31:13 And you, speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘My Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign1 between Me and you throughout your generations, to know that I, יהוה, am setting you apart.


Sign of what? A sign leads to something else. When you see a sign that say's "stop ahead" you know that there is a stop ahead. What real McCoy did sign refer to?
 
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Last year I had to learn to make matzo because of the fact that I could not find a store that carried it. Nope, not one in my area. In a panic, I tackled it with fear and willing obedience, and it came out all right. :)

Because of that, I can choose the texture of the matzo I make, soft or hard. I will likely have a stew one night, and eat the matzo with some chili, like crackers. I will make some softer matzo and make something mexican, I think. Keep in mind taco shells are largely unleavened (read the ingredients) so you can eat those, too. I can also make a matzo "pizza" by making softer matzo by using a little more olive oil. One of my favorite things to do is just spread some button on it and munch. :D If I make some tuna crackers one day, that's 7 days of Matzo.



A big part of Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread is also eating un-leavened bread over the course of the week.

Exodus 12:15
"Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, but on the first day you shall
remove leaven from your houses"

So our family is just about done getting the yeast out, but now we are preparing to eat unleavened bread every day.

For those of you who have already de-leavened, what are you planning on doing to "eat un-leavened bread" this week?


 
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Rev 7:3 saying, “Do not harm the earth, nor the sea, nor the trees until we have sealed the servants of our Elohim upon their foreheads.”

Eze 9:3 And the esteem of the Elohim of Yisra’ĕl went up from the keruḇ, where it had been, to the threshold of the House. And He called to the man clothed with linen, who had the writer’s ink-horn at his side,
Eze 9:4 and יהוה said to him, “Pass on into the midst of the city, into the midst of Yerushalayim, and you shall put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it.”


Exo_31:13 And you, speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘My Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign1 between Me and you throughout your generations, to know that I, יהוה, am setting you apart.


Sign of what? A sign leads to something else. When you see a sign that say's "stop ahead" you know that there is a stop ahead. What real McCoy did sign refer to?
 
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it's a sign of the cross.
 
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Yes, he did:
Act 16:3 Sha’ul wished to have this one go with him. And he took him and circumcised him because of the Yehuḏim who were in those places, for they all knew that his father was Greek.

Why would he circumcise someone if he wasn't teaching it?

It helps to read the entire Bible. I've read all of your posts on here, and what you say makes no sense. You're accusatory, but accusing nothing. Everything you post supports the Judaic viewpoint, not your Western Christian new age ideal of God.

By what you are saying, you are calling your god a liar. You are saying he declared a covenant to be forever, then promptly changed his mind and broke his covenant. Your god is not the same as my god because when my god declares forever, he means forever, not until something better comes along. You worship some other god, the western version of the Sun-god.

I understand your confusion and obvious anger. You've been lied to by people you trusted. I'm sorry you've been lied to, but it's your job to study and show yourself approved, and not just agree with the guy in the pulpit because it "feels" good. The Bible even predicted you would be lied to: Jer 16:19 O יהוה, my strength and my stronghold and my refuge, in the day of distress the gentiles shall come to You from the ends of the earth and say, “Our fathers have inherited only falsehood, futility, and there is no value in them.”

Please educate yourself. Start here: PAUL THE JEW


he also became a curse for those who have faith, not for those who continue to rely on works of the law, making his death useless. did paul continue to teach circumcision (the sign of the old covenant)? no. he didn't. but you do.
 
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Kerry

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I've been hearing more and more about the whole red moon at Passover thing, and how it's supposed to co-incide with a red moon at Sukkot as well, but I know very little about it all.
actually there are four of them and the occur on feast days, the last time this happened, Israel became a nation, then they won the six day war and so on. now they are happening again on feast days such as Passover. what it means, I don't know.
 

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Hello John832,

This may seem to be a stupid question, but for the sake of clarity would you please refer me, with chapter and verse to the Scripture where God tells you to 'Keep' the Passover? For I would really like to understand where you are coming from.

Just book chapter and verse, no explanation.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Mat 26:18 And He said, "Go into the city to a certain man, and say to him, 'The Teacher says, "My time is at hand; I will keep the Passover at your house with My disciples." ' "

Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, "Take, eat; this is My body."
Mat 26:27 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you.
Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mat 26:29 But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."

Luk 22:15 Then He said to them, "With fervent desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;
Luk 22:16 for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God."
Luk 22:17 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, "Take this and divide it among yourselves;
Luk 22:18 for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."
Luk 22:19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
Luk 22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

Joh 13:4 rose from supper and laid aside His garments, took a towel and girded Himself.
Joh 13:5 After that, He poured water into a basin and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel with which He was girded.
Joh 13:6 Then He came to Simon Peter. And Peter said to Him, "Lord, are You washing my feet?"
Joh 13:7 Jesus answered and said to him, "What I am doing you do not understand now, but you will know after this."
Joh 13:8 Peter said to Him, "You shall never wash my feet!" Jesus answered him, "If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me."
Joh 13:9 Simon Peter said to Him, "Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head!"
Joh 13:10 Jesus said to him, "He who is bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean; and you are clean, but not all of you."
Joh 13:11 For He knew who would betray Him; therefore He said, "You are not all clean."
Joh 13:12 So when He had washed their feet, taken His garments, and sat down again, He said to them, "Do you know what I have done to you?
Joh 13:13 You call Me Teacher and Lord, and you say well, for so I am.
Joh 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet.
Joh 13:15 For I have given you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.
Joh 13:16 Most assuredly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him.
Joh 13:17 If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them.
Joh 13:18 "I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, 'HE WHO EATS BREAD WITH ME HAS LIFTED UP HIS HEEL AGAINST ME.'

Joh 6:32 Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven.
Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
Joh 6:34 Then they said to Him, "Lord, give us this bread always."
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

Joh 6:48 I am the bread of life.
Joh 6:49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world."
Joh 6:52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?"
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.
Joh 6:54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed.
Joh 6:56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me.
Joh 6:58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever."

1Co 11:23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread;
1Co 11:24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
1Co 11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
 

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John832,

This question was asked from a genuine desire to understand, I hope that you will not subject it to mockery too.

:)
And I answered from a genuine heart believing that you were asking an honest question.
 

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If you know the law so well then why do you leave this out?

Exodus 12

43 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “These are the regulations for the Passover meal:
“No foreigner may eat it. 44 Any slave you have bought may eat it after you have circumcised him,45 but a temporary resident or a hired worker may not eat it.
46 “It must be eaten inside the house; take none of the meat outside the house. Do not break any of the bones. 47 The whole community of Israel must celebrate it.
48 “A foreigner residing among you who wants to celebrate the Lord’s Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat it. 49 The same law applies both to the native-born and to the foreigner residing among you.”

The church at Corinth was a mixed church of both Jew and Gentile,circumcised and uncircumcised. Paul having been a PHARISEE would have well known of this part of the law and would have KNOWN that for an UNCIRCUMCISED GENTILE to partake of the Passover would have been OFFENSIVE to a circumcised Jew. Paul is NOT speaking of the Passover meal.

By the way Jesus plainly says He is using it as an EXAMPLE. Jesus is NOT giving us another ritual. Jesus taught on being a servant time and time again,and then He shows it by EXAMPLE.
Haven't figured out yet not to put new wine in old wineskins?

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;
Rom 2:29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

So an unconverted person should not take the Psasover today. To do so risks this...

1Co 11:27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
1Co 11:29 For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep.
 

john832

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A big part of Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread is also eating un-leavened bread over the course of the week.

Exodus 12:15
"Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, but on the first day you shall
remove leaven from your houses"

So our family is just about done getting the yeast out, but now we are preparing to eat unleavened bread every day.

For those of you who have already de-leavened, what are you planning on doing to "eat un-leavened bread" this week?


The wife has some recipes for unleavened bread and of course there are matzos.
 

john832

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The Feast that Paul says to keep is not the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

The Feast Paul said to keep is the Feast of the Lord's Supper.
Paul says it is NOT to eat the Lord's supper...

1Co 11:20 Therefore when you come together in one place, it is not to eat the Lord's Supper.


It cannot be the Jewish Feast of Unleavened Bread, because in order for one to keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread, they must have first kept Passover.
And that they did...

1Co 11:23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread;
1Co 11:24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
1Co 11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

And just what ceremony is this?

Luk 22:15 Then He said to them, "With fervent desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer;
Luk 22:16 for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God."
Luk 22:17 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, "Take this and divide it among yourselves;
Luk 22:18 for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes."
Luk 22:19 And He took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
Luk 22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

The New Testament Passover.
 

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I'm fairly new at this too! Trying to follow the dates from Aviv onward keeps me busy each year.
I'm so used to the Gregorian calendar...I hope that one day it will be easier to keep up with the months and times (Biblical calendar) for the feasts. I have miscounted a few times...

I've never heard of the four cups. It sounds interesting. I'll have to Google Mark Blitz. :)
Festival Calendar - COGWA Members
 

john832

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I've been hearing more and more about the whole red moon at Passover thing, and how it's supposed to co-incide with a red moon at Sukkot as well, but I know very little about it all.
Traditionally, evil has beset the Jews on "blood moons". There is no scripture concerning this so I actually do not put much stock in it.