Passover/Unleavened Countdown . . .For Those Who Celebrate Them

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KohenMatt

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SarahM777 said:
Again go back to what I said. I said YOU ACCEPT PAYMENT for a holiday you believe is PAGAN. And whether you like it or not just because you can JUSTIFY IT by saying it is also a civil holiday DOES NOT change the fact you have quite clearly said you believe it is a pagan holiday. Aren't you doing the very same thing you claim others have done by celebrating Christmas as a Christian holiday?
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Nope. I accept payment for a day my government chooses to give me off. My government doesn't give me a day off for a religious holiday. They give it to me because it's a civil holiday. I am not celebrating anything on that day. (Actually, I celebrate the fact that I can sleep in on that day!)

But if you can't see any of that, that's fine. It's just your opinion vs. mine.
 
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SarahM777 said:
My question is if you believe Christmas is Pagan why do you ACCEPT Christmas pay for the day off? Is that not accepting UNRIGHTEOUS MAMMON?
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You don't like my answer eh? Ok I would give another one:
Do you believe your employer is a perfect upright sinless person? If he is then good for you. If he is not then why would you accept unrighteous money from him?
 
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chubbena said:
You don't like my answer eh? Ok I would give another one:
Do you believe your employer is a perfect upright sinless person? If he is then good for you. If he is not then why would you accept unrighteous money from him?
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I am self employed. By the way what does that have to do with ACCEPTING CHRISTMAS PAY if you believe that Christmas is a PAGAN holiday?
 
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you're either not paying attention, or being dishonest.
i like you Matt. but pony up and address some of your friends who insist on mosaic law. for the approval of God. i don;t have the time to fetch the posts. you know who wrote them and what they said.
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Insist on mosaic law who? This accusation is getting very old.
 
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SarahM777 said:
I am self employed. By the way what does that have to do with ACCEPTING CHRISTMAS PAY if you believe that Christmas is a PAGAN holiday?
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I don't accept "Christmas Pay".

I accept my paycheck, no matter what day I'm told to work on.

The day itself isn't pagan. The celebration came from those roots is.

And as I've said before, I know that there are plenty of my brothers and sisters who celebrate Christmas with a pure and worshipful heart. I will never judge those people.
 
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SarahM777 said:
I am self employed. By the way what does that have to do with ACCEPTING CHRISTMAS PAY if you believe that Christmas is a PAGAN holiday?
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So the answer/question still stands: Are you a perfect upright sinless person who never cheat? If you are, good for you.
Is your government perfect upright sinless? Why are you still a citizen? Why do you pay tax (assuming you do)?

But the real question is. why are you so hostile towards biblical holidays?
 
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As I continue in observing the Appointment of Unleavened Bread several questions have come to mind. Where did the Israelites get new leaven after purging all the old? One answer I found was they could find leaven on grape leaves. Grape leaves??? Then I see another answer about spores of wild yeast being virtually everywhere. Basically, as long as they had flour and water, they would be able to make a pre-ferment for leavened bread.

Exodus 13:6 Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, and on the seventh day there shall be a feast to the Lord. 7 Unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days; no leavened bread shall be seen with you, and no leaven shall be seen with you in all your territory. (ESV) See also about chametz. The NIV says ". . . within your borders." The NASB agrees with the NIV, using "borders." The King James uses "quarters," which seems a different meaning.

What I take from this, is that sin is everywhere. No matter how hard you try and purge it from your life it may drift back in and you unaware. The more I study the feasts the more need of Messiah I have, for only by Him are we able to inherit life.

With His grace, I will do my best to overcome, and when I recognize sin in my life I pray to Almighty that I will love the truth enough to let go of sin and not excuse it, and not fear asking Him to show me where my sins are, where are my spots and blemishes, how I can be the best child of His that I can be.

John 3:16
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[SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
 
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What is wrong with accepting Christmas pay? Nothing. Christmas is not holy to the LORD. It would be no different than accepting vacation pay.
 
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Karraster said:
As I continue in observing the Appointment of Unleavened Bread several questions have come to mind. Where did the Israelites get new leaven after purging all the old? One answer I found was they could find leaven on grape leaves. Grape leaves??? Then I see another answer about spores of wild yeast being virtually everywhere. Basically, as long as they had flour and water, they would be able to make a pre-ferment for leavened bread.

Exodus 13:6 Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, and on the seventh day there shall be a feast to the Lord. 7 Unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days; no leavened bread shall be seen with you, and no leaven shall be seen with you in all your territory. (ESV) See also about chametz. The NIV says ". . . within your borders." The NASB agrees with the NIV, using "borders." The King James uses "quarters," which seems a different meaning.

What I take from this, is that sin is everywhere. No matter how hard you try and purge it from your life it may drift back in and you unaware. The more I study the feasts the more need of Messiah I have, for only by Him are we able to inherit life.

With His grace, I will do my best to overcome, and when I recognize sin in my life I pray to Almighty that I will love the truth enough to let go of sin and not excuse it, and not fear asking Him to show me where my sins are, where are my spots and blemishes, how I can be the best child of His that I can be.

John 3:16
(AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
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Sister, praise God for your insight that comes by His Holy Spirit! If more people could understand the awesome revelation you just shared, we'd have SO few less debates on the subject.

If we don't take the very attitude you took here, our celebration of the Feasts means virtually nothing.

Your applications are spot on and powerful, and bear witness with many of the same thoughts I've had.

Excellent, excellent, excellent post!


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(You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Karraster again.)
 
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chubbena said:
So the answer/question still stands: Are you a perfect upright sinless person who never cheat? If you are, good for you.
Is your government perfect upright sinless? Why are you still a citizen? Why do you pay tax (assuming you do)?

But the real question is. why are you so hostile towards biblical holidays?
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I'm not,the thing is the Biblical holidays were under the OLD COVENANT,I am not under the Old Covenant but under the New Covenant. Jesus DID NOT give us a modified version of the Old Covenant. And Christ's law is the law of love,which is NOT bound by rules and regulations.
 
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SarahM777 said:
I'm not,the thing is the Biblical holidays were under the OLD COVENANT,I am not under the Old Covenant but under the New Covenant. Jesus DID NOT give us a modified version of the Old Covenant. And Christ's law is the law of love,which is NOT bound by rules and regulations.
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"Under" the old or new covenant for what purpose?
 
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The feasts all point to Jesus Messiah, God says they are His appointed days, they aren't jewish feasts, they are celebrating Jesus. It's sad that so many are afraid to see how beautifully prophetic they were and will be. Besides who doesn't like a feast????
 
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Matt, my brother, you are very kind, and your words uplifting. I need to tell you, it was your Sabbath thread that helped open my eyes about Sabbath. that was shortly after joining cc. If people could see how Sabbath protects and keeps us, it is a divine appointment with the Creator of the universe! He has plainly said, pleaded with man, to keep His Words of Life, and we in our mighty mouse minds say "no thanks???"" blindness is what it is though, and sometimes we just do no see..but praise Him, that it's true, the more truth you obey the more truth He will give you. It's so wonderful, and reasonable as well.

and so Matt, we will continue to lift up each other, encourage each other, and do not be weary my friend, for you are helping advance Almighty's kingdom more than you know, and I can prove it if anyone wants proof.:)

Also interesting, this verse:
Romans 11;11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

Now I ask, if we are to provoke the unbelieving Jews to jealousy for the LORD, which we clearly see is His plan, then how in Sam Hill we gonna do it dying eggs and eating chocolate bunnies? That is foolish and vain, and pagan! ? How about those who have awakened from their slumber and do what Messiah commanded with love for Him? What would Messiah say?

edit: I apologize to any Sam Hills out there..I mean no harm.
 
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Can anyone tell me with reasonable intelligence as to why when the commandments were repeated in the NT that keeping the Sabbath was left out?
 
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I meant the early church (apostolic and the first of the seven in Rev) met daily.
 
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Kerry said:
Can anyone tell me with reasonable intelligence as to why when the commandments were repeated in the NT that keeping the Sabbath was left out?
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"gasp" did you just say the 9 out of 10 are in the New Testament? You'll have to pardon me while I go faint.:)
 
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I meant, which one these laws did Abraham ( the friend of God ) keep? which one did the children of Israel after leaving Egypt keep? In fact they were under grace and God was with them by day as a pillar of smoke and by night as a pillar of fire. Their shoes didn't were out. they didn't get sick, food was provided every day. The law was given because they did not believe.

The angel of death passed over because of the blood of a lamb. Jesus is the lamb of God. Just as Abraham told his son that God would provide the sacrifice.
 
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So, in effect, by keeping Passover or any other feast or placing faith in Sabbath, you are saying that the cross is not enough.
 
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SarahM777 said:
I'm not,the thing is the Biblical holidays were under the OLD COVENANT,I am not under the Old Covenant but under the New Covenant. Jesus DID NOT give us a modified version of the Old Covenant. And Christ's law is the law of love,which is NOT bound by rules and regulations.
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And yet we read...

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Which is a direct quote from...

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

And the word for Law is Torah...

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

It becomes apparent you do not know what the Old Covenant is, neither do you know what the New Covenant is.
 
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