Passover/Unleavened Countdown . . .For Those Who Celebrate Them
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Go and read Hebrews. Under the Old it was all shadows of what was to come,in the New we have the fulfillment of the shadows
Hebrews 10
10 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins.4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’”[a]
8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law.9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]
17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[c]
18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.
Hebrews 10
10 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins.4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:
“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’”[a]
8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law.9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[b]
17 Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”[c]
18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.
It wasn't...
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
The word here for rest is Sabbatismos and means keeping the Sabbath. The Diaglott has it...
Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God.
The argument that the New Testament doesn't reiterate the Sabbath doesn't hold water. There was no need to continually repeat it, nothing changed.
Had the Sabbath been done away with, there would have been such an uproar, the conference in Acts 15 would have paled into insignificance, yet there is nary a word about the Sabbath being done away. Do you personally have to be told every morning to brush your teeth? After all, if it isn't continually repeated, it must no longer be in effect. Let's carry this principle on out, the prohibition on beastiality is nto repeated in the New Testament, do you then assume it is done away? Is that the way your mind operates?
In any circumstance, instead of asking what you can get away with, why not ask what is Godly?
Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
The word here for rest is Sabbatismos and means keeping the Sabbath. The Diaglott has it...
Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God.
The argument that the New Testament doesn't reiterate the Sabbath doesn't hold water. There was no need to continually repeat it, nothing changed.
Had the Sabbath been done away with, there would have been such an uproar, the conference in Acts 15 would have paled into insignificance, yet there is nary a word about the Sabbath being done away. Do you personally have to be told every morning to brush your teeth? After all, if it isn't continually repeated, it must no longer be in effect. Let's carry this principle on out, the prohibition on beastiality is nto repeated in the New Testament, do you then assume it is done away? Is that the way your mind operates?
In any circumstance, instead of asking what you can get away with, why not ask what is Godly?
Not a clue about context, eh? What is Hebrews 10 about?
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Let me guess, the subject of Hebrews 10 is about Space Shuttles? NO, IT IS ABOUT SACRIFICES AND THE PERFECT SACRIFICE OF CHRIST.
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Christ replaced the animal sacrifices by offering Himself.
It is not about the Ten Commandments, it is about the sacrifice of Christ that paid the penalty for sin. The breaking of the Law...
1Jn 3:4 Every one the doing the sin, also the lawlessness does; and the sin is the lawlessness.
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Let me guess, the subject of Hebrews 10 is about Space Shuttles? NO, IT IS ABOUT SACRIFICES AND THE PERFECT SACRIFICE OF CHRIST.
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Christ replaced the animal sacrifices by offering Himself.
It is not about the Ten Commandments, it is about the sacrifice of Christ that paid the penalty for sin. The breaking of the Law...
1Jn 3:4 Every one the doing the sin, also the lawlessness does; and the sin is the lawlessness.
Again do you ACTUALLY READ WHAT IS BEING SAID?
This is what I SAID
Go and read Hebrews. Under the Old it was all shadows of what was to come,in the New we have the fulfillment of the shadows
The writer of Hebrews plainly says this
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said:
“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”[c]
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
What does OBSOLETE mean?
ob·so·lete [ob-suh-leet, ob-suh-leet] Show IPA
adjective
1.
no longer in general use; fallen into disuse: an obsolete expression.
2.
of a discarded or outmoded type; out of date: an obsolete battleship.
3.
(of a linguistic form) no longer in use, especially, out of use for at least the past century. Compare archaic.
4.
effaced by wearing down or away.
5.
Biology . imperfectly developed or rudimentary in comparison with the corresponding character in other individuals, as of the opposite sex or of a related species.
This is what I SAID
Go and read Hebrews. Under the Old it was all shadows of what was to come,in the New we have the fulfillment of the shadows
The writer of Hebrews plainly says this
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8 But God found fault with the people and said:
“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”[c]
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
What does OBSOLETE mean?
ob·so·lete [ob-suh-leet, ob-suh-leet] Show IPA
adjective
1.
no longer in general use; fallen into disuse: an obsolete expression.
2.
of a discarded or outmoded type; out of date: an obsolete battleship.
3.
(of a linguistic form) no longer in use, especially, out of use for at least the past century. Compare archaic.
4.
effaced by wearing down or away.
5.
Biology . imperfectly developed or rudimentary in comparison with the corresponding character in other individuals, as of the opposite sex or of a related species.
You know what blows me away brother? People speak against the law arbitrarily. In reality, there are 2 aspects to the law. One is the temple and priests responsibility,(written on stone) Exodus 25 through 31, and the other is our responsibility (In Spiritual understanding) that was written by Moses, and the prophets. Hebrews talks about the covenant concerning the temple. Hebrew 8:1-5 and Hebrews 9:1 say it will.
Then add Hebrews 8:7-13, realizing that the writter is talking about the temple and priest responsibility, and this conflict of interest would vanish.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith , Behold , the days come , saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not , saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying , Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest .
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith , A new covenant, he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
A new (temple?), he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
What is ready to vanish away at the time Hebrews was written? It couldn't be but only one aspect of the whole law. "Covenant," in verse 13 is an added word, and so it is an added word in Hebrews 9:1.
Then add Hebrews 8:7-13, realizing that the writter is talking about the temple and priest responsibility, and this conflict of interest would vanish.
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith , Behold , the days come , saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not , saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying , Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest .
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith , A new covenant, he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
A new (temple?), he hath made the first old . Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
What is ready to vanish away at the time Hebrews was written? It couldn't be but only one aspect of the whole law. "Covenant," in verse 13 is an added word, and so it is an added word in Hebrews 9:1.
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Do your parents still tell you every day to wash your hands after you go to the bathroom? No. They don't need to tell you to do that.
Do you still wash your hands after you go to the bathroom? I sure hope so.
God didn't repeat it because He'd already said it. And He never said to stop doing it either.
Do you still wash your hands after you go to the bathroom? I sure hope so.
God didn't repeat it because He'd already said it. And He never said to stop doing it either.
Can anyone tell me with reasonable intelligence as to why when the commandments were repeated in the NT that keeping the Sabbath was left out?
Trying to justify a separation of Gods word of the Old Testament, and the New Testament is like taking the wheels off your car and calling it good to go because the engine runs. Take what Jesus fulfilled, and throw it away, and then there is nothing left to fulfill in our lives 2000 AD.
Get real people.
Men, and women live by "EVERY" word that proceeds/proceeded out of the mouth of God. There is power in the Word. Why can't some understand that Jesus quoted the "law" to Satan in the 40 days He was temped? There is still POWER in all God has spoken, and will ever speak.
See post 647
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Amen brother! And further, EVERYBODY knows that isn't true deep inside themselves, even though some rhetoric seems to point to something that isn't true. Remember our conversation on the Passover, and yesterday? This is why I think it's important.
Ephesians 4:4-7
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Ephesians 4:4-7
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
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And this is what lot of people believe, they believe a harsh old Father was the God of the O.T. and a liberal Son came to right all the injustices in the N.T.
NOTHING could be further from the truth. Jesus Christ was the God of the Old Testament. He is the One who created Adam and Eve. He is the One who appeared to Abraham and made the promises. He is the One who gave the Ten Commandments from Mt. Sinai and He is the One who died for the sins of mankind and He is the One that will judge the world.
NOTHING could be further from the truth. Jesus Christ was the God of the Old Testament. He is the One who created Adam and Eve. He is the One who appeared to Abraham and made the promises. He is the One who gave the Ten Commandments from Mt. Sinai and He is the One who died for the sins of mankind and He is the One that will judge the world.
John 14:8-10
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
IBTimesUK looks at Pesach, one of the most important Jewish festivities in the calendar.
History of Passover
Passover, or Pesach, commemorates the liberation of Israelites from slavery under the Egyptian Pharaoh.
According to the Book of Exodus in the Torah, Moses called for the Pharaoh to free the Israelites, and warned that if he failed to do so Egypt would be hit by terrible plagues, the last one of which would be the death of every Egyptian first-born male.
The Pharaoh refused despite Egyptians being subjected to nine plagues, including invasions by frogs and flies, a livestock blight and total darkness. According to the story, God than set to kill all Egyptian firstborn males.
Moses urged Jews to mark their doors with lamb's blood so that God could 'pass over' their houses and spare their firstborns.
The Pharaoh eventually relented and the Israelites fled Egypt.
Pesach comes from the Hebrew root Pei-Samekh-Cheit, and means to pass over, or to spare.
When is Passover Celebrated?
Passover begins on the 15th day of the Hebrew month of Nisan, which typically falls in March or April of the Gregorian calendar.
This year, Passover started on 14 April and will end on 22 April.
How do Jews celebrate?
Passover 2014: History Behind Jewish Festival Pesach
since there are multiple threads on this subject and related issues, i'm just posting this here. i get that you say you relate passover to Christ's sacrifice. but that's not what God instituted passover commemoration for. it was specifically for the jews to remember their flight from egypt.
any christian can see the typology, the shadow pointing to Christ there. nevertheless, as certain sects develop their own versions of the jewish passover (and it was israelites, not gentiles), do you think this is provoking the jews to jealousy? or do you think they are astonished at the ignorance and posturing?
if you need help with that answer, i'll post their testimonies.
as for equating passover with Christ's sacrifice, why not celebrate his actual sacrifice and not animal blood on doorposts?
what i have discovered, generally speaking, is that people who say they are christians observe these feast days and sabbaths and pretend to keep (some) mosaic ordinances because they are confused (in error) about eschatology. they actually believe that God really didn't dispense with the old covenant (wherein all those ordinances are commanded to be observed exactly) and brought in a better covenant, based on better promises, involving a new high priest who can not serve on earth, Christ the Lord.
they actually believe we are in some kind of holding pattern until a future time when all those things will be reinstated. the repeated and erroneous posting of zechariah 14 and other prophets is proof these people are ill instructed at best and deceived at worst.
there will be no future temple or animal sacrifices, no return to any of those ordinances. they are gone, and so is the mosaic system which was the schoolmaster to bring all who truly are called to CHRIST.
so my question (rhetorical) would be, if people understood there is no going back, would they be toying with a covenant that ensured curses and just doesn't even exist any longer? what makes these people any different from the poor unbelieving jews who still think they are in a covenant with God?
History of Passover
Passover, or Pesach, commemorates the liberation of Israelites from slavery under the Egyptian Pharaoh.
According to the Book of Exodus in the Torah, Moses called for the Pharaoh to free the Israelites, and warned that if he failed to do so Egypt would be hit by terrible plagues, the last one of which would be the death of every Egyptian first-born male.
The Pharaoh refused despite Egyptians being subjected to nine plagues, including invasions by frogs and flies, a livestock blight and total darkness. According to the story, God than set to kill all Egyptian firstborn males.
Moses urged Jews to mark their doors with lamb's blood so that God could 'pass over' their houses and spare their firstborns.
The Pharaoh eventually relented and the Israelites fled Egypt.
Pesach comes from the Hebrew root Pei-Samekh-Cheit, and means to pass over, or to spare.
When is Passover Celebrated?
Passover begins on the 15th day of the Hebrew month of Nisan, which typically falls in March or April of the Gregorian calendar.
This year, Passover started on 14 April and will end on 22 April.
How do Jews celebrate?
Passover 2014: History Behind Jewish Festival Pesach
since there are multiple threads on this subject and related issues, i'm just posting this here. i get that you say you relate passover to Christ's sacrifice. but that's not what God instituted passover commemoration for. it was specifically for the jews to remember their flight from egypt.
any christian can see the typology, the shadow pointing to Christ there. nevertheless, as certain sects develop their own versions of the jewish passover (and it was israelites, not gentiles), do you think this is provoking the jews to jealousy? or do you think they are astonished at the ignorance and posturing?
if you need help with that answer, i'll post their testimonies.
as for equating passover with Christ's sacrifice, why not celebrate his actual sacrifice and not animal blood on doorposts?
what i have discovered, generally speaking, is that people who say they are christians observe these feast days and sabbaths and pretend to keep (some) mosaic ordinances because they are confused (in error) about eschatology. they actually believe that God really didn't dispense with the old covenant (wherein all those ordinances are commanded to be observed exactly) and brought in a better covenant, based on better promises, involving a new high priest who can not serve on earth, Christ the Lord.
they actually believe we are in some kind of holding pattern until a future time when all those things will be reinstated. the repeated and erroneous posting of zechariah 14 and other prophets is proof these people are ill instructed at best and deceived at worst.
there will be no future temple or animal sacrifices, no return to any of those ordinances. they are gone, and so is the mosaic system which was the schoolmaster to bring all who truly are called to CHRIST.
so my question (rhetorical) would be, if people understood there is no going back, would they be toying with a covenant that ensured curses and just doesn't even exist any longer? what makes these people any different from the poor unbelieving jews who still think they are in a covenant with God?
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