Passover/Unleavened Countdown . . .For Those Who Celebrate Them

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KohenMatt

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Question for you since you and many others say that Christmas and Easter is pagan,Do you and those that believe that Christmas is pagan still benefit from a paid day off for Christmas or do you work it or refuse the money for that day? If not then aren't you benefitting from a pagan holiday and how does that work?
I respect the rulers of the land, and they choose to give me the day off. To me, those days off are no different than Thanksgiving, Memorial Day, etc.
 
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chubbena

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christmas and easter have nothing to do with you actually planning and having unbelieving jews ritually slaughter and prepare a passover lamb for you to EAT and serve at your table.
Please take a deep breath :)
 
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I respect the rulers of the land, and they choose to give me the day off. To me, those days off are no different than Thanksgiving, Memorial Day, etc.

If they really are no different then WHY DO YOU MAKE the distinction that they ARE different? You do say that Christmas is pagan and if so then why do you partake of the benefits of that day? There is nothing in the US law that says you MUST accept the DAY OFF WITH PAY. It is called HOLIDAY PAY.
 
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chubbena

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Question for you since you and many others say that Christmas and Easter is pagan,Do you and those that believe that Christmas is pagan still benefit from a paid day off for Christmas or do you work it or refuse the money for that day? If not then aren't you benefitting from a pagan holiday and how does that work?
You might want to read my post #578 and ask yourself why such hostility against biblical holidays in the first place. Don't you agree in Christ we have freedom? Can we not use such freedom to choose to commemorate His death and resurrection on Passover rather than Easter?
Regarding Christmas, do you believe it's pagan? If you don't, then why ask me the question? If you do, do you refuse the paid day off? Do you refuse everything pagan yourself?
I speak against Christmas but I never condemn those who choose to commemorate His birthday so why wouldn't you do the same?
 

KohenMatt

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If they really are no different then WHY DO YOU MAKE the distinction that they ARE different? You do say that Christmas is pagan and if so then why do you partake of the benefits of that day? There is nothing in the US law that says you MUST accept the DAY OFF WITH PAY. It is called HOLIDAY PAY.
Because they lock the doors and I can't get in. :p

Because my employers aren't giving me the day off for a religious holiday. They give it because it's a civil holiday. I take the civil day off the same as I would take the 4th of July off.
 
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Sukkot is. The other ones will be celebrated, but as far as I can tell, Sukkot is the only one you could say is a shadow of the future.[/QUOTE
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Exactly, KohenMatt,

Revelation 21:3.
And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men,
and He will dwell (tent/tabernacle) with them......."

Isaiah 66:22-23.
Gives us a time frame.
"For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remain before Me,..."
And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another,
all flesh shall come to worship before Me.'

during the Temple times there were two witnesses sent out to observe
when the first light of the new moon would appear.
the Hebrew reckoning of time is based on the lunar calendar, therefore,
this would be the 'new moon', the 'beginning' of months,
and this is how the Holy Days were calculated.
when the witnesses would see the first light of the new moon,
they would go to the temple gates and proclaim that they had witnessed
the first sliver of light.
and then the High Priest would speak in a loud voice for them to (come up hither).
and then they would bear witness that the New Month had begun and it would be recorded.

Revelation 11:12. And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying,
"Come up hither."
15.
Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven,
saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the Kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ,
and He shall reign for ever and ever!"= Feast of Trumpets fulfilled.

GOD SPEED THE DAY!!!

but not only this,
19.
Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the Arc of His Covenant was seen in His Temple.
this was only seen (once a year) by the High Priest on The Day of Atonement. 'Lev.16. & Heb.9:7.'

we LOVE the beauty of this Holiness, God's perfect ORDER,
both Spiritually and chronologically, you have the ('New Moon-Feast of Trumpets-Day of Atonement.')
 
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Karraster

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In my studying of the feasts, I see all three feasts as having "spiritual relevance" for the Christian today. They are all past present and future, and the feasts of tabernacles involve the other two because tabernacles is mostly for edification about all God has done, therefore increasing faith in the believer. This is a book I wrote about the three feasts. Three Feasts of the Pentateuch

2 Chronicles 8:13
13 Even after a certain rate every day, offering according to the commandment of Moses, on the sabbaths, and on the new moons, and on the solemn feasts, three times in the year, even in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles.

Isn't it nice to ignore those people who consistently show hatred toward anything other than what they have already preconceived according to a stalemated doctrine? One just gets to the point of being tired of totally unedifying remarks. Simplicity in Christ doesn't mean to be simple minded.:rolleyes:
I agree!! Everything has significance as much as ever, even more so as the day draws neigh. I have come to think of it as basically "who one considers their "church" fathers? I consider my church fathers to be Abraham Issac and Jacob, who are in line with Messiah Yeshua/Jesus. The majority see their church fathers started in Rome, which I had accepted that premise as well for far too long, but no more! I have seen the truth, and the truth is they created a religion, based on man's rules, leaving out any of God's rules they didn't like. Not by chance they have abolished exactly what Satan wants to be unknown, turning worship to Almighty into worship of Satan. Many are deceived and ignorant, still many are willfully disobedient. I believe as the end day comes nearer it will be more obvious, and the grace period of ignorance will be over.

While no man is perfect, nor does he walk perfectly, pride and arrogance and a love of Babylon that disables a soul from seeing the truth must surely be shunned in favor of a love of truth, no matter what beloved pagan rites must go. What is not profitable must be traded for real treasure that will last thru eternity, or there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth!

Have you looked at the fast days as prophecy? I hope to look into that very soon. I think those days will be turned into days of great joy!

Thanks for the link to your book! I look forward to looking into that!

I have a long ignore list. After a while man's motives become crystal clear, and unfortunately the devil still walks among us.
 
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Revelation 11:12. And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying,
"Come up hither."
15.
Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven,
saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the Kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ,
and He shall reign for ever and ever!"= Feast of Trumpets fulfilled.

GOD SPEED THE DAY!!!
GOD SPEED THE DAY?
fulfilled.

this is future.

Revelation 21
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

no temple, no moon.
 
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but not only this,
19.
Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the Arc of His Covenant was seen in His Temple.
this was only seen (once a year) by the High Priest on The Day of Atonement. 'Lev.16. & Heb.9:7.'

we LOVE the beauty of this Holiness, God's perfect ORDER,
both Spiritually and chronologically, you have the ('New Moon-Feast of Trumpets-Day of Atonement.')
Hebrews 9:1-7
1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
2 For there was a tabernacle made ; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread ; which is called the sanctuary.
3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all ;
4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded , and the tables of the covenant;
5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly .
6 Now when these things were thus ordained , the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

Revelation 11:19
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Would you say that the stone tablets are still there in the ark? Maybe that's why no one can find them.

1 Kings 8:9
9 There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone, which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.
 
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You might want to read my post #578 and ask yourself why such hostility against biblical holidays in the first place. Don't you agree in Christ we have freedom? Can we not use such freedom to choose to commemorate His death and resurrection on Passover rather than Easter?
Regarding Christmas, do you believe it's pagan? If you don't, then why ask me the question? If you do, do you refuse the paid day off? Do you refuse everything pagan yourself?
I speak against Christmas but I never condemn those who choose to commemorate His birthday so why wouldn't you do the same?
My question is if you believe Christmas is Pagan why do you ACCEPT Christmas pay for the day off? Is that not accepting UNRIGHTEOUS MAMMON?
 
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Because they lock the doors and I can't get in. :p

Because my employers aren't giving me the day off for a religious holiday. They give it because it's a civil holiday. I take the civil day off the same as I would take the 4th of July off.
The thing is YOU believe it's Pagan and YOU ACCEPT Christmas pay. Isn't that ACCEPTING UNRIGHTEOUS MAMMON?
 
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While no man is perfect, nor does he walk perfectly, pride and arrogance and a love of Babylon that disables a soul from seeing the truth must surely be shunned in favor of a love of truth, no matter what beloved pagan rites must go. What is not profitable must be traded for real treasure that will last thru eternity, or there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth!
Galatians 3
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Deuteronomy 28
15 “But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the Lord your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:

Deuteronomy 28 NKJV - Blessings on Obedience - “Now it - Bible Gateway
 
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oldthennew

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vaudeville,

what do the scriptures profit a man if
he uses them un-righteously?
 

john832

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You might want to read my post #578 and ask yourself why such hostility against biblical holidays in the first place. Don't you agree in Christ we have freedom? Can we not use such freedom to choose to commemorate His death and resurrection on Passover rather than Easter?
Regarding Christmas, do you believe it's pagan? If you don't, then why ask me the question? If you do, do you refuse the paid day off? Do you refuse everything pagan yourself?
I speak against Christmas but I never condemn those who choose to commemorate His birthday so why wouldn't you do the same?
short answer...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
 
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vaudeville,

what do the scriptures profit a man if
he uses them un-righteously?


Originally Posted by Karraster

While no man is perfect, nor does he walk perfectly, pride and arrogance and a love of Babylon that disables a soul from seeing the truth must surely be shunned in favor of a love of truth, no matter what beloved pagan rites must go. What is not profitable must be traded for real treasure that will last thru eternity, or there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth!


and how did i do that but to show the woman that her religion places her under a curse (per the scriptures i posted), and i had intended to admonish her for referring to The Lord's church as BABYLON. but the irony of her religion being today's Babylon was too much.
 
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short answer...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Galatians 4
21 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?

clearly not.

24 [s]This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children [t]who are to be slaves; [u]she is Hagar. 25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free; [v]she is our mother.
 

KohenMatt

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The thing is YOU believe it's Pagan and YOU ACCEPT Christmas pay. Isn't that ACCEPTING UNRIGHTEOUS MAMMON?
I believe the day itself if just another day, and just another civil holiday, which is what our country recognizes. I don't take the day off because it's Christmas. I take the day off because they gave me Dec. 25th off.

I believe the intent to make that day into a religious holiday with a religious observance, though is the issue.
 

KohenMatt

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Galatians 4
21 Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law?

clearly not.

24 [s]This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children [t]who are to be slaves; [u]she is Hagar. 25 Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free; [v]she is our mother.
Vaud, don't go back to the whole 2 covenants and 2 forms of salvation and being "under the law" argument. No one is talking about that. No one is talking about being under the covenant of Sinai for salvation.

Only you are.
 
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Vaud, don't go back to the whole 2 covenants and 2 forms of salvation and being "under the law" argument. No one is talking about that. No one is talking about being under the covenant of Sinai for salvation.

Only you are.
you're either not paying attention, or being dishonest.
i like you Matt. but pony up and address some of your friends who insist on mosaic law. for the approval of God. i don;t have the time to fetch the posts. you know who wrote them and what they said.
 
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I believe the day itself if just another day, and just another civil holiday, which is what our country recognizes. I don't take the day off because it's Christmas. I take the day off because they gave me Dec. 25th off.

I believe the intent to make that day into a religious holiday with a religious observance, though is the issue.
Again go back to what I said. I said YOU ACCEPT PAYMENT for a holiday you believe is PAGAN. And whether you like it or not just because you can JUSTIFY IT by saying it is also a civil holiday DOES NOT change the fact you have quite clearly said you believe it is a pagan holiday. Aren't you doing the very same thing you claim others have done by celebrating Christmas as a Christian holiday?