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Timothy5378

Timothy5378

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Dave Jesus did not heal everyone...its says He could not do many miricales there because of what????

Yep...there unbelief....people have to believe....but because very poor people said they don't exist any more people stopped in certain places believing...there is so much written in the NT...yet little of it is kept

Maybe if you did not want to keep 1 scripture of the 8000 in the NT God might just be pretty upset so imagine how bad it is that people don't even read the whole NT today much less the whole OT...and as I have said you have to read and do for decades to get it....maybe you are too much in conflict to see???
 
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Timothy5378 said:
Dave Jesus did not heal everyone...its says He could not do many miricales there because of what????

Yep...there unbelief....people have to believe....but because very poor people said they don't exist any more people stopped in certain places believing...there is so much written in the NT...yet little of it is kept

Maybe if you did not want to keep 1 scripture of the 8000 in the NT God might just be pretty upset so imagine how bad it is that people don't even read the whole NT today much less the whole OT...and as I have said you have to read and do for decades to get it....maybe you are too much in conflict to see???
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Face it, if you had any of the gifts it would be headline news and people would be lined up at your door.
 
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David the dead gets raised there are documented cases...it has always been rare but it still goes on Dave
 
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I have the gifts and they get used but I'm telling you God manages them...and sometimes back to back miracles happen other times it's less strong....but the apostles preached...they did not spend there lives just healing people all day in a line for there whole lives
 
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Dave-L said:
Face it, if you had any of the gifts it would be headline news and people would be lined up at your door.
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headline news will not cover things of God truthfully, do you work for CNN
 
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Dave John 14 says we will do greater works than Jesus
 
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Dave-L said:
It's all hearsay. How many are healed from psychosomatic illnesses? How many drunks get healed when they stop drinking.
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Sorry, but these hearsay comments of yours are just dumb. I take it that you are not a lawyer, or a historian for that matter. Why would you use a principle of English Common Law from a thousand years after the New Testament was written as your standard? And a lot of this stuff would not be hearsay if you would just research it.

If you read firsthand testimony of people who are healed, that is not hearsay. When I wrote to you about the girl with the seriously crossed eyes and visually obvious vision problems (glasses that made her eyes look much longer) who was able to function normally without her glasses after her healing, that was my eyewitness account. It is not hearsay.

Historians do not follow the rules of the courtroom, either. Would you consider Luke and Acts to be mostly 'hearsay.' Luke was not there when the angel appeared to Mary, but he may have heard Mary speak about it. At some point, fairly late in Paul's journal, Luke joined and started talking about 'we' went to this place or that, instead of 'he' or 'they.' For most of those miracles early in Acts, Luke was not an eye witness. But he could gather eye witness testimony and record it like a historian.

You can stick your head in the sand and not listen to the testimony of eye witnesses or do any reading.
 
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Dave-L said:
It's all hearsay. How many are healed from psychosomatic illnesses? How many drunks get healed when they stop drinking.
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Sorry, but these hearsay comments of yours are just dumb. I take it that you are not a lawyer, or a historian for that matter. Why would you use a principle of English Common Law from a thousand years after the New Testament was written as your standard? And a lot of this stuff would not be hearsay if you would just research it.

If you read firsthand testimony of people who are healed, that is not hearsay. When I wrote to you about the girl with the seriously crossed eyes and visually obvious vision problems (glasses that made her eyes look much longer) who was able to function normally without her glasses after her healing, that was my eyewitness account. It is not hearsay.

Historians do not follow the rules of the courtroom, either. Would you consider Luke and Acts to be mostly 'hearsay.' Luke was not there when the angel appeared to Mary, but he may have heard Mary speak about it. At some point, fairly late in Paul's journal, Luke joined and started talking about 'we' went to this place or that, instead of 'he' or 'they.' For most of those miracles early in Acts, Luke was not an eye witness. But he could gather eye witness testimony and record it like a historian.

You can stick your head in the sand and not listen to the testimony of eye witnesses or do any reading.
 
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Timothy5378 said:
Dave John 14 says we will do greater works than Jesus
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I had a friend whom passed away a few years ago. She was a women who truly believed in the word of the Lord, but she also was very much into the “5 Fold Ministry”. Of course we had our conversations about that to which I did have my objections. What are your thoughts on that particular doctrine?
 
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presidente said:
Sorry, but these hearsay comments of yours are just dumb. I take it that you are not a lawyer, or a historian for that matter. Why would you use a principle of English Common Law from a thousand years after the New Testament was written as your standard? And a lot of this stuff would not be hearsay if you would just research it.

If you read firsthand testimony of people who are healed, that is not hearsay. When I wrote to you about the girl with the seriously crossed eyes and visually obvious vision problems (glasses that made her eyes look much longer) who was able to function normally without her glasses after her healing, that was my eyewitness account. It is not hearsay.

Historians do not follow the rules of the courtroom, either. Would you consider Luke and Acts to be mostly 'hearsay.' Luke was not there when the angel appeared to Mary, but he may have heard Mary speak about it. At some point, fairly late in Paul's journal, Luke joined and started talking about 'we' went to this place or that, instead of 'he' or 'they.' For most of those miracles early in Acts, Luke was not an eye witness. But he could gather eye witness testimony and record it like a historian.

You can stick your head in the sand and not listen to the testimony of eye witnesses or do any reading.
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Where's the proof? If you had a fraction of what you claim it would be headline news.
 
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Dave-L said:
Where's the proof? If you had a fraction of what you claim it would be headline news.
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When did God spew you out of His mouth .. You are the proof ..
4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
6 And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.
 
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Can you state the 5 fold ministry as you see it pls...its not said that way in the Bible...it has been said that now...but I'm just asking you to state it and I will give you your answer

I don't get into the Koran and book of Mormon...God won't let me read them...he just wants me to know His Word...i know the cults and isms...about them...but others know more than me...but the Word I know thanks
 
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Show me where the Bible teaches that newspeople believe when they hear about the works of God and report it on the news.
 
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I've got some of that very testimony of Jesus too .. But should I throw pearls before the swine
 
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Ask Jesus or have you become like king saul
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We have all these profound miracles nobody has ever seen. Just like the Apostles. But not one cell phone has ever recorded one. Just the freak shows we have on YouTube.
 
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Being born and raised in the Pentecostal movement in 73 years i have seen the real and the fake.
 
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1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
 
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