PICTURES OF JESUS

[Evmur]

can you compare having a graven image as just as bad

I am not comparing one sin to another.. I am using murder as an example.. I believe any sin that is not atoned for will see the transgressor cast into the eternal lake of fire.. So if i steal a pack of cookies from a grocery store and that sin is not atoned for i will be cast into the eternal lake of fire for stealing that pack of cookies.. Same goes for if i was a Nazi guard working in auswitz concentration camp and i brutalized and murdered tens of thousands of people.. Either sin will see me cast into the eternal lake of fire if they are not atoned for..

A person who has murdered tens of thousands of people can be just a easily forgiven and have their sin atoned for by the blood of the LORD as the one who stole a pack of cookies.. All they need do is believe Jesus and trust in that atonement and acknowledge their sin to God...

Anyone who sins a sin no matter how major or minor Needs to have that sin Atoned for.. Or else they will end up unforgiven and will be cast into the eternal lake of fire..



No.. I do not believe so.. According to Jesus it is right to love ones enemy.. And you do not love your enemy by killing them..

All our sins were future when Jesus died for them, He bore them, He was buried and they were buried with Him and when He arose He arose in newness of life.

He will not come and die again, you can't crucify Him afresh. If He did not deal with ALL our sins and finish the job once and for all then there is no further sacrifice, just a fearful expectation of judgement.

Someone said "ah but we must repent" [and all sin is wilful] but read Hebrews again for it say it is impossible to repent again.

That is to hold the cross up to contempt, you are saying "look I came to Christ, I came to the cross ... but it hasn't worked."

The truth is ALL our sins were forgiven once and for all time.
as it is written in Hebrews 10
"He has sanctified for ALL TIME by a single offering all who come to Him with faith"

This is what Hebrews is all about

Get over those basic fundamental truths and move on with God ... you can't really get into the deep things with God until you are SURE your sins are gone.

 

[Blik]

It also tells me that people are going to have different views. It's a pretty diverse body. An eye is going to see differently than a hand or a foot.

How we handle those different views divides the true christian from the ones who are not born again. The true Christian takes to heart what Christ said about the law to not murder. They keep in mind that all those who accept Christ as Savior, as the true Christian does, are in the family of God and support them even if they interpret scripture differently.

In the secular world there are two favorite games. One is the game of "Ain't it AWFUL" and another is the game "I'm better than YOU are". In the 60's someone wrote a book called "The Games People Play". Christians are not to play these games.
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[Evmur]

John says nobody who murders has eternal life dwelling in them.

 

[ewq1938]

Why do you have a picture of Jesus in your house?

I didn't say anything about what is in my house.

 

[ewq1938]

"You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." Ex. 20:4

"beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, 17 the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, 18 the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth." Deut 4:16-18

Don't be a fool! Of course what this poster is saying about graven images are true.

What I object to is that he doesn't even seem to read the posts others have written and comment in them correctly, and not attack them for something they did not say!

As someone else mentioned, this is a forum for Protestants. There are a few Catholics from time to time, and we argue about false RCC doctrine with them.

Got it? Protestants of one kind or another, who think that RCC doctrine is by and large, false, unbiblical nonsense!

Those verses were directed to Jews of Judaism, not Christians. There is nothing at all wrong with a picture of Jesus.

 

[JaumeJ]

oh ...

I thought Edamites had redskins

Edom had red or ruddy skin. It seems from my studies that Edom is the evolution of the name Adam. Adam may be mankind or earth, reddish earth found around this tired old earth.

Now just dam may be translated as red and/or as blood, while dam dam is bright red. The evolution of etmologies can be quite fascinating

So Eom did have a reddish complexion but this does not translate as all Eomites did or do,. I myself am a red head, well actually white now, but neither my father nor my mother had red dhair but dark hair. The red comes from the grandparents on the mother's side.

Juisst a note on your post..

 

[ewq1938]

Edom had red or ruddy skin.

Maybe but likely not, but that has nothing to do with his new name. It was because he sold his birthright for a red type of soup:

Gen 25:29 And Jacob sod pottage: and Esau came from the field, and he was faint:
Gen 25:30 And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage ; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.
Gen 25:31 And Jacob said, Sell me this day thy birthright.
Gen 25:32 And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point to die: and what profit shall this birthright do to me?
Gen 25:33 And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob.
Gen 25:34 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles ; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised his birthright.

 

[CharishHaroon]

Those verses were directed to Jews of Judaism, not Christians. There is nothing at all wrong with a picture of Jesus.

You said: "Those verses were directed to Jews of Judaism, not Christians. There is nothing at all wrong with a picture of Jesus."
Ewq. don't pick and choose what you like in the Bible! Every word in the Bible is for those who profess to follow Christ.
There's nothing wrong with a picture of Jesus? That means you worship a false Jesus! Don't insult God! (P.S. Jesus is God, fyi)

 

[CharishHaroon]

Mother Theresa of Calcutta when she was a young nun, kneeling before the crucifix was suddenly overwhelmed with shame and grief at the realisation that it was her sins that put Him on the cross.
She refused to get up
She said "Lord I will never get up from this place until I know in my heart You have forgiven me" anon she experienced peace in her soul.
I say she got saved ....

God is sovereign. Mother Teresa is a genuine woman of God - as seen, especially, from her long service to the poor.
But I would say she was saved by the Sovereign Grace of God.

But because she was a Catholic and worshipped before a crucifix, it does NOT justify crucifixes.
We worship God in spirit and in truth! John 4:23, 24.
Images, idols, pictures of Jesus, any human artistic or religious representation of God - is reprehensible to the Thrice Holy and Awesome God.
I am sure you know your New Testament!

 

[JaumeJ]

Those verses were directed to Jews of Judaism, not Christians. There is nothing at all wrong with a picture of Jesus.

I would like you to consider this, please. When the Torah was given, the writings were directed to Israel, nnot to the Tribe of Judah only.
No, if you consider this also, the Torah was more or less the Constitution of Israel, the former Israel.
All of the Prophets and the law point to and instruct of the Messiah. Even asking Israel if they knew His Name, before He came to us.
There was never any one or more denominations called Jewish before Jesus came to us.
Now all who believe are Israel with our capital city yet in Heaven to be bruoght down to us by God, Himself, New Jerusalem.

These points seem to be clouded since Constantine, but it is very easy to dispel the mist.

 

[ewq1938]

You said: "Those verses were directed to Jews of Judaism, not Christians. There is nothing at all wrong with a picture of Jesus."
Ewq. don't pick and choose what you like in the Bible! Every word in the Bible is for those who profess to follow Christ.

Ok, cool! I know of a neighbor of mine who gathered sticks on the Sabbath and I would like you and I and some others to stone him to death as per the law. Are you available tomorrow at 3pm?

 

[ewq1938]

I would like you to consider this, please. When the Torah was given, the writings were directed to Israel, nnot to the Tribe of Judah only.
No, if you consider this also, the Torah was more or less the Constitution of Israel, the former Israel.
All of the Prophets and the law point to and instruct of the Messiah. Even asking Israel if they knew His Name, before He came to us.
There was never any one or more denominations called Jewish before Jesus came to us.
Now all who believe are Israel with our capital city yet in Heaven to be bruoght down to us by God, Himself, New Jerusalem.

These points seem to be clouded since Constantine, but it is very easy to dispel the mist.

Thanks but I already understand all of that. The religion of Israel (past and present) is known in modern English as "Judaism". That does not mean it is only for people of the tribe of Judah or the house of Judah.

 

[JaumeJ]

Thanks but I already understand all of that. The religion of Israel (past and present) is known in modern English as "Judaism". That does not mean it is only for people of the tribe of Judah or the house of Judah.

Any are referred to as Jews.........../ Our Constitution is the Word of God, and all are Jews who praise God in spirit and truth while others remain pagans. Praisers are from all nations.

 

[ewq1938]

Any are referred to as Jews.........../ Our Constitution is the Word of God, and all are Jews who praise God in spirit and truth while others remain pagans. Praisers are from all nations.

Anyone who rejects Christ are pagan and are going against God.

 

[JaumeJ]

Anyone who rejects Christ are pagan and are going against God.

Interesting how what I possted has been interpreted as not saying what you have replied. Curious I would have to say.

 

[de-emerald]

News flash

It has been brought to our attention That charisharoon has been corrupted by reading a book that preaches sinless perfection in diguise. The book its self does not say it preaches sinless perfection, but if you read between the lines it makes a clear reference that it is.

The book was brought to our attention by our friend in christ postman hunter.
I also recieved a prayer last week from the holy spirit telling me he has been corrupted by sinless perfection. Its very important that we all pray for him.
Its aslo important that the only responce to now give him is to encourage him to pray
for what ever his next issue is, as all we will be doing if we dont is adding more fuel to his fire.
Once a person has been corrupted this way it is important we realise it is not his fault so please do encourage him to pray on every oppertunity.

Here is the book
((from the first book))


Why is it that so many people struggle very hard to obey God, but cannot? Every morning they say, ‘Now, to-day, I will not lose my temper; to-day I will not tell lies; to-day I will not take a bribe’; yet after two or three hours, again they lose their tempers. Even though they pray and read their Bibles, yet they fail. Why is that? Because they fail to appropriate the Blood for cleansing to begin with, and then to lay hold of Christ as their life. They are trying to do the things of God with their own human energy. That is why they fail. Do you want to overcome in every temptation? Then come under the Blood by faith, every day, every morning. The Blood speaks of two things—cleansing and life. When you confess your sins, you are washed by the Blood from every defilement and the life of Christ in you will be manifested in your daily walk and actions. The Israelites had to come under the Blood to be able to obey what God commanded.


There is sinless perfection teaching going on in the book above


Responce from our friend postman hunter

it's subtle, and it's in the middle of other things, but it's there.
'why are you unable to overcome every temptation and be sinless? because you aren't under the blood. you've got to really concentrate every morning and then you will be sinless and perfect. if your flesh isn't without sin, then you're not really saved, because you're not praying the magical 'under the blood' prayer hard enough and often enough -- you don't really have faith, or you would never stumble. **real** Christians are sinless under the blood, why aren't you?'
((my paraphrase))

Thankyou for your work in spotting this postman hunter.

I would advice you all to stay away from this book

 

[Evmur]

God is sovereign. Mother Teresa is a genuine woman of God - as seen, especially, from her long service to the poor.
But I would say she was saved by the Sovereign Grace of God.

But because she was a Catholic and worshipped before a crucifix, it does NOT justify crucifixes.
We worship God in spirit and in truth! John 4:23, 24.
Images, idols, pictures of Jesus, any human artistic or religious representation of God - is reprehensible to the Thrice Holy and Awesome God.
I am sure you know your New Testament!

Understand God

Jesus said of Himself that He is humble and lowly of heart. Folks have an idea of God sat in awful glory and holiness, perhaps He is but His truest manifestation is Christ. Everything He does is for us.

His concern is not awful affrontery, His concern is that our faith and confidence in Him will be diminished, we will look at a picture and our thoughts of Him will be diminished, our faith in Him, what He has done, what He is able to do.

And this generally is the effect of depictations of Jesus, we see Him as a babe in arms or somewhat effeminate etc and this is what God is concerned about more than worrying about His Ego.

 

[Evmur]

Edom had red or ruddy skin. It seems from my studies that Edom is the evolution of the name Adam. Adam may be mankind or earth, reddish earth found around this tired old earth.

Now just dam may be translated as red and/or as blood, while dam dam is bright red. The evolution of etmologies can be quite fascinating

So Eom did have a reddish complexion but this does not translate as all Eomites did or do,. I myself am a red head, well actually white now, but neither my father nor my mother had red dhair but dark hair. The red comes from the grandparents on the mother's side.

Juisst a note on your post..

Edom oh ... I thought we were talking about edam.

Many folks believe that the ancient Celts [Scottish and Irish folk] are of Jewish ancestry and there is a strong zionist flavour about the ancient Celtic church.

I apologise for my humour ... I am half Irish so you can blame the Jewish imput in my Celtic ancestry.

 

[mustaphadrink]

For what it is worth, this picture of Jesus seems to be the authentic one. it came about because a boy was taken up into heaven and saw Jesus. W|hen he came back to earth he painted a picture of him. At a later date, another boy was taken to heaven and saw Jesus. After he had come back donw to earth, he eventually met up with the original boy and saw his painting of Jesus. He was amazed and said "That is Jesus. I saw him."

 

[Mem]

The letter kills but the spirit gives life....

The spirit of the commandment is to have no other god, nor bow and and worship any other god.

Is the premise of this thread is, 'having art of any person place or thing, on earth or in heaven, constitutes its worship, regardless of whether it is worship of the artwork or of its depiction?