Plato, Aristotle, St. Augustine and St. Thomas: Masters of Theology

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right, we don't know... but, I think the best guess is one not heard by any human yet... so, then, a material impact on what tongues is, imo...
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On an indefinite meaning of "new" tongue. . .
 
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I don't know what you mean... if the praise is there, it's an important part of the teaching, imo...
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Its not about perceived "importance," it's about altering the meaning of the NT.
 
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also, people don't live only by bread, but by everything God says... if Jesus said it (or didn't say it) that's important to me... to me, it's not wise if we say something Jesus said doesn't matter...
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It doesn't matter only as it relates to altering the meaning of the NT.
 
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A material difference alters the meaning of the NT.
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to me, an addition to something is an alteration... some things in the longer ending of Mark would be an addition (possibly)...
 
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yes, and I think the parts that are there (and aren't) are important parts of that instruction...
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It's not about perceived "importance," it's about altering the meaning of the NT.
 
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Elin said:
Any words that would alter the meaning of the NT would be important.

Any that do not are immaterial regarding its meaning.
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well, the meaning of the nt would be the sum all the words in the nt, in the order they appear...
 
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Elin said:
On an indefinite meaning of "new" tongue. . .
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yes, some passages in the nt (or not in the nt) are not clear, so we don't know for sure what they mean...
 
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I can't find the part where his disciples ask him... maybe you know where it is...

he says, 'pray like this', so I think it's an example...
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Lk 11:1-4.
 
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Its not about perceived "importance," it's about altering the meaning of the NT.
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yes, well, an additional phrase in Jesus' example prayer would change the meaning of the nt...

core teachings of salvation? no, I don't think so...
Jesus teaching about prayer? yes...
 
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to me, an addition to something is an alteration... some things in the longer ending of Mark would be an addition (possibly)...
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The issue is an alteration in the meaning of the NT for it to be material.
 
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Elin said:
It doesn't matter only as it relates to altering the meaning of the NT.
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ahh, well we disagree there... I think there's wisdom and spiritual food in everything Jesus said.
 
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well, the meaning of the nt would be the sum all the words in the nt, in the order they appear...
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Where is the alteration in the meaning of the NT, causing it either not to mean or to mean other than what the NT means without the differences under discussion?
 
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well, try though as I might, I can't 'catch up'... gotta go for now, great talking with you!
 
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yes, well, an additional phrase in Jesus' example prayer would change the meaning of the nt...

core teachings of salvation? no, I don't think so...
Jesus teaching about prayer? yes...
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Please show how the meaning of the NT is altered by these words--
starting with what the NT meaning on prayer is without them,
then what it would no longer mean or
what would be the new meaning based on the words in question.
 
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ahh, well we disagree there... I think there's wisdom and spiritual food in everything Jesus said.
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No disagreement there. . .but these particular words do not alter the meaning and import of the NT.
 
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Elin said:
It doesn't matter only as it relates to altering the meaning of the NT.
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really? things Jesus said don't matter, unless they affect a core teaching of the nt? if I got that right, we certainly have a different way of looking at the bible...

so, to you, is the bible pretty much just a collection of core teachings?

to me, the bible has so many layers to it... proverbs talks about giving subtilty to the simple... to me, if one is willing to take a 'subtle' approach to the scriptures, there are so many different kinds of riches there!
 
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It's not about perceived "importance," it's about altering the meaning of the NT.
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so by 'meaning of the nt', I was assuming you mean 'teachings'... but maybe not... is there just one meaning (singular) for the entire nt?

if the form of Jesus example prayer changes, to me that's a material change in a teaching in the nt...
 
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Is that a reference to everyone that believes?
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yes, that's how I read it... those signs would be common events in the lives of believers...
 
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