Plato, Aristotle, St. Augustine and St. Thomas: Masters of Theology

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Elin said:
Are the red letters the only word of God in the NT?

Is that the only example of prayer in the NT?

Do any others have praise at the end?

Is praise at the end of a prayer forbidden if none are found in the NT?

More hypothetical non-issues. . .
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no to all questions above...
well, what did Jesus recommend when his disciples asked him, what is his example of a good prayer?
 
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In what way do they alter the meaning of the NT?
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well, I think there're things in the longer ending of Mark which, if Jesus said them, would be important additions to nt teaching...
 
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Growing in knowledge of Jesus implies first of all true knowledge of Jesus...
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ahh, but not a complete knowledge of Jesus...

the quote isn't perfect, I don't fully endorse it... it's an interesting idea...
 
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Elin said:
Meaning?. . .

That could be because the philosophical approach is more in agreement with the mindset of the world
and caused no animosity (1Co 1:20-31, 3:18-21).

Are any conversions in Athens by Paul at that time reported?
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well, meaning I prefer to be open-minded...

the philosophical approach often agrees with the mindset of the world... not so much with Paul's message, he's called an 'idle-babbler'...

yes, conversions... at the end of his aeropagus talk... some wanted to hear more, some joined & believed...
 
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Elin said:
Do you think he was teaching there is the only way to pray?
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no, I think he was showing a really good way to pray, which I think is material...
 
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Elin said:
Are we told to "go and do likewise" regarding Apostolic miracles in Acts or anywhere else?

The events in Acts do not alter the meaning of the NT, they are the meaning of the NT.

Differences are material when they alter the meaning of the NT.

Otherwise, they have no affect on NT revelation.

What part of this principle do you not understand?
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people in Acts ride on ships... we don't have to, not a teaching...

a difference is material if it adds to the rest of the teaching in the nt, imo...
 
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Dan_473 said:
Elin said:
Do you think he was teaching there is the only way to pray?
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no, I think he was showing a really good way to pray, which I think is material...
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And adding Biblical praise to the prayer would be a subtraction from it, making that addition material to the meaning of the NT?
 
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Elin said:
However the word is nowhere used in the NT to refer to anything other than the sect of Greek philosophers themselves who went by that name.

So again, a hypothetical issue. . .
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well, you asked for an example, and I gave one...

maybe you mean just important words? but then, I need a list of the important words...
 
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Elin said:
Or one not spoken by the human who heard it. . .
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right, we don't know... but, I think the best guess is one not heard by any human yet... so, then, a material impact on what tongues is, imo...
 
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Dan_473 said:
no to all questions above...
well, what did Jesus recommend when his disciples asked him, what is his example of a good prayer?
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It was an instruction on how to pray.
 
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Dan_473 said:
well, I think there're things in the longer ending of Mark which, if Jesus said them, would be important additions to nt teaching...
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Jesus spoke them only to the apostles, not to all believers.
 
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Elin said:
And adding Biblical praise to the prayer would be a subtraction from it, making that addition material to the meaning of the NT?
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I don't know what you mean... if the praise is there, it's an important part of the teaching, imo...
 
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Elin said:
And adding Biblical praise to the prayer would be a subtraction from it, making that addition material to the meaning of the NT?
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also, people don't live only by bread, but by everything God says... if Jesus said it (or didn't say it) that's important to me... to me, it's not wise if we say something Jesus said doesn't matter...
 
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Dan_473 said:
Elin said:
Dan_473 said:
one's current knowledge and understanding is held lightly...
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Growing in knowledge of Jesus implies first of all true knowledge of Jesus...
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ahh, but not a complete knowledge of Jesus...

the quote isn't perfect, I don't fully endorse it... it's an interesting idea...
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Got it. . .
 
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Dan_473 said:
no to all questions above...
well, what did Jesus recommend when
his disciples asked him, what is his example of a good prayer?
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Is that what they asked him?
 
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Elin said:
It was an instruction on how to pray.
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yes, and I think the parts that are there (and aren't) are important parts of that instruction...
 
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Dan_473 said:
people in Acts ride on ships... we don't have to, not a teaching...

a difference is material if it adds to the rest of the teaching in the nt, imo...
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A material difference alters the meaning of the NT.
 
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Dan_473 said:
well, you asked for an example, and I gave one...

maybe you mean just important words? but then, I need a list of the important words...
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Any words that would alter the meaning of the NT would be important.

Any that do not are immaterial regarding its meaning.
 
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Elin said:
Is that what they asked him?
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I can't find the part where his disciples ask him... maybe you know where it is...

he says, 'pray like this', so I think it's an example...
 
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