Plato, Aristotle, St. Augustine and St. Thomas: Masters of Theology

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Elin said:
Moot. . .

Since it wouldn't kill them, how would they know what they drank was poison?
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I don't think it's moot at all... if it's not listed in acts, is it a sign that accompanies those who believe?
 
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Elin said:
The Bible agrees with itself in the light of itself.
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yes, and that agreement... does it add up to a set of orthodox statements? anything that doesn't alter those statements doesn't matter?
 
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Dan_473 said:
yes, and that agreement... does it add up to a set of orthodox statements? anything that doesn't alter those statements doesn't matter?
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Dan_473 said:
I don't think it's moot at all... if it's not listed in acts, is it a sign that accompanies those who believe?
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Does it have to be recorded in Scripture in order to say that it occurred?
 
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Elin said:
One and the same. . .
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I understood you to be saying that there could be alterations that wouldn't lead one astray, and so didn't matter, weren't material alterations...
 
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Wisdom is knowing God. . .
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very true. now, given that the bible is propositional divine truth, could all the words in, say, proverbs be replaced with "Wisdom is knowing God" without a material alteration in that propositional divine truth?
 
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Elin said:
Got a dictionary?


One and the same. . .


Alleged "additions". . .may have been omissions. . .
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yes, I have a dictionary, but I wasn't sure if that phrase had a special meaning to you...

so, all of the teachings, every word, and the subtleties and nuances are one and the same with the propositional divine truth?

not alleged additions, alleged differences was what you wrote, I think...
 
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Jeff_56 said:
the greek way of thinking and living is a complete abomination to yahweh. likewise its philosophers and philosophies, and the other nations opposed to yahweh also.... --- there is no good to come from them - they are as bad as demonic doctrines, and may be the same source....

yahweh has said so clearly, no doubt nor shadow.
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well, at the same time, Paul quotes a greek poet in his talk on mars hill...
 
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Elin said:
Self evident.
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I take that to mean it is important to know if the longer ending of Mark is part of the bible... so, we have imperfect copies, copies with important differences...
 
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Elin said:
Previously addressed. . .
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right, and I was just giving you a chance to clarify your position... but if you don't want to, I'll continue with my assesment...

the only role of the bible is to keep us from going astray... it is a set of teachings... words can be added to it, or taken away from it, and as long it doesn't change the overall meaning of the teachings, it doesn't matter...

that certainly isn't a way I want to approach the bible... if you feel that is the direction the spirit is leading you, then go for it, of course!
 
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Elin said:
Does it have to be recorded in Scripture in order to say that it occurred?
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I assumed it had to be in the bible for it to be propositional divine truth. If we point to things outside of the bible, well, then, we're advocating using things outside of the bible, imo...
 
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Dan_473 said:
very true. now, given that the bible is propositional divine truth, could all the words in, say, proverbs be replaced with "Wisdom is knowing God" without a material alteration in that propositional divine truth?
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As much as anywhere else in Scripture. . .
 
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Dan_473 said:
yes, I have a dictionary, but I wasn't sure if that phrase had a special meaning to you...

so, all of the teachings, every word, and the subtleties and nuances are one and the same with the propositional divine truth?

not alleged additions, alleged differences was what you wrote, I think...
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Dan_473 said:
I take that to mean it is important to know if the longer ending of Mark is part of the bible... so, we have imperfect copies, copies with important differences...
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Dan_473 said:
right, and I was just giving you a chance to clarify your position... but if you don't want to, I'll continue with my assesment...
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Review the record. . .

the only role of the bible is to keep us from going astray... it is a set of teachings... words can be added to it, or taken away from it, and as long it doesn't change the overall meaning of the teachings, it doesn't matter...
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Review the record. . .

that certainly isn't a way I want to approach the bible...
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So ignore what was "added" to Mark or the Lord's Prayer. . .

Perhaps it would help you if you simply stated your position.
 
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Dan_473 said:
I take that to mean it is important to know if the longer ending of Mark is part of the bible... so, we have imperfect copies, copies with important differences...
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What is perceived as "important" and what is "material" are not necessarily the same thing.

The vast majority of what occurred in the ministry of Jesus did not make it into the Scriptures.
I'm sure all of it was important.
I'm likewise sure none of it was material to what we do have.

We have what God has decided to providentially secure for us there.

If he wanted us to have more, we would. . .nor do we suffer spiritual loss because we don't have it all.
 
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Elin said:
As much as anywhere else in Scripture. . .
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right, and since we see that the longer ending of Mark wouldn't be a material alteration in that propositional divine truth, then it would follow that all the words in, say, proverbs being replaced with "Wisdom is knowing God" wouldn't be a material alteration in that propositional divine truth.
 
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Elin said:
Previously addressed. . .
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so, propositional divine truth has no special meaning to you, it just means truth that is divine and proposed...

so, let's see... a change in the words would be a change in propositional divine truth, but not always a material change in that truth... only if it affects one of the core doctrines, because the bible is a set of core teachings... yes?

(you addressed 'alleged differences' by changing it to 'alleged additions'...)
 
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