Plea not to receive mark of the beast because of waiting for rapture

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Gods children are not appointed to Gods wrath on an evil unbelieving world.

But that DOESNT mean God’s children won’t suffer man’s or satan’s persecution.

When God’s wrath happened in Scripture past, His Children were removed first.
 
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calibob said:
Which rapture theory are you talking about? I don't believe in pre trib rapture nor post trib. either. I've been distracted however because some preachers, that I've heard lecture about it, seemed to have made it their #1 topic so let's see what Jesus said: Matthew 24- 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ a spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

I've heard Hal Lindsey lecture and he sold alot of books about it too. Chuck Smith predicted it would occur in 1987 as I recall but Dr. Walter Martin (the original 'Bible answerman') was the most well educated Theological Professor (I think he had a eidetic memory) that I've ever met admitted something Professors rarely ever say. "I don't know." and he urged us to drop the subject because it leads to bickering and division which is not of God. He said just do what we're supposed to be doing. Spreading the Good News of Salvation and the end won't come until everybody, everywhere hears the simple gospel. "Jesus Saves." Then the class was dismissed.
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Enduring to the end of what?

The wrath of God ???

Lol

That means billions before the throne martyred during the gt are going to be expelled because they died during the gt.

Not only that,but all the dead in Christ did not "endure to the end of the wrath"

Nope it has zero to do with the pretrib rapture.

Not saying you believe it...just keying off your post
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Gods word has High Ground, no such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in the scripture, none

The main scripture used by supporters of this teaching is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming)(Last Day) resurrection

Is a resurrection of the believer seen below 100% yes

Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught, 100% yes

Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught 100% yes

It's you who denies the truth of Gods words below, simple,clear, and very easy to understand.

(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
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Lol rev 14 alone factors your deal into ruin.

Too funny
 
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Godcares said:
l used to believe in the rapture and now I do not after re-examining the bible and realizing that there is not enough biblical evidence.
I preferred to believe in the rapture theory because it is what is commonly preached. I liked the world ending that way. With me being raptured and not going through the tribulation. The theory suited me.
But I can no longer believe things which do not have enough evidence in the bible because they are appealing to me. Even if many pastors are preaching it and I have friends and family members and colleagues that believe in the rapture.

Through the tribulation
If you read the bible verses that are commonly used to prove the rapture theory, you will realize that they actually relate to the actual Second Coming of Jesus (especially 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).
I believe that we are going to go through the tribulation like the Israelites did during the time of the plagues in ancient Egypt. If you look at the plagues of ancient Egypt (Exodus 7-11), you will realize that they are similar to the plagues in the book of Revelation 16.The Israelites went through the plagues and God preserved them.
And I believe that the same is going to happen in future. If God can shield ancient Israel from the plagues, then He has the ability to shield us from the plagues. The faithful Christians will not be affected by the plagues; it is only those who receive the mark of the beast and worship his image according to Revelation 16. Therefore faithful Christians do not need to fear the plagues. God sustained Elijah during the 3 years of no rain (1 Kings 17) and He will be able to sustain us. However, there are Christians who will be beheaded because they refused to receive the mark and refused to worship the beast, although they will not be affected by God’s plagues (Revelation 20:4).

Mark of the beast
If the rapture theory is not true, then when the beast tells us to receive his mark, then many pastors will tell Christians that this mark could not be the mark described in the book of Revelation, because the rapture must first come. They will tell Christians that since the rapture has not come then mark could not be the mark of the beast.

This will result in thousands if not millions of Christians receiving the actual mark of the beast because they would be waiting for a rapture that will not happen. This is a scary thought!

Those who believe in the rapture, especially the pre-rapture are more in danger of receiving the mark of the beast than those who do not believe that the rapture theory is true.

Part of me wishes that the rapture theory was true, because the thought of many Christians being deceived into getting the mark of the beast pains me. However, there is not enough biblical evidence support the rapture theory.

We need to study our bibles daily to avoid being deceived and we cannot believe something because the majority of pastors are preaching it. Hosea 4:6 says “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge”

Plea
Therefore this is a plea that whether or not you believe in the rapture, if something looks even similar to the mark of the beast, do not listen to your pastors. You should make an individual decision that you will not accept it, nor receive it.

The devil is an arch-deceiver, he knows that most Christians are not going to readily receive the mark of the beast. So I believe that he is going to try to deceive many people and Christians to receive it (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 13:13-14, Mark 13:22). The rapture theory is the perfect instrument to use to execute his deception.

I did not write this post to add to the arguments about the rapture theory. There have been more than enough arguments and bickering about this subject. If you believe in the rapture and others could not convince you that it will not happen, then I doubt that I can.
I am writing to plead that if you suspect that something is the mark of the beast or image to the beast, ask the Holy Spirit whether it is or not and make a decision not to receive it. The bible is infallible, but pastors are.
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What verse makes you think you will be preserved during the tribulation?
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Is that like the Hebrews being raptured, before the plagues fell upon Egypt? :giggle:
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The exodus does not serve either side.

They were delivered INTO judgement/culling/purging for 40 years..

Does not even come close to resembling anything for either side
 
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Truth7t7 said:
The Sealed Church upon earth will be untouched, when the Two Witnesses bring the plagues upon the world, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt.

The plagues in Egypt are a testament to a remake of Moses/Aaron in Revelation Chapters 9-11-16
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Only 144 k are sealed.JEWS

If they are in christ/disciples they were already sealed.

Again you are off into some rabbit trail trying to shoehorn in a false concept.
 
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calibob said:
Which rapture theory are you talking about? I don't believe in pre trib rapture nor post trib. either. I've been distracted however because some preachers, that I've heard lecture about it, seemed to have made it their #1 topic so let's see what Jesus said: Matthew 24- 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ a spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

I've heard Hal Lindsey lecture and he sold alot of books about it too. Chuck Smith predicted it would occur in 1987 as I recall but Dr. Walter Martin (the original 'Bible answerman') was the most well educated Theological Professor (I think he had a eidetic memory) that I've ever met admitted something Professors rarely ever say. "I don't know." and he urged us to drop the subject because it leads to bickering and division which is not of God. He said just do what we're supposed to be doing. Spreading the Good News of Salvation and the end won't come until everybody, everywhere hears the simple gospel. "Jesus Saves." Then the class was dismissed.
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Do you believe in a second coming of Jesus Christ?

If yes, when?
 
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Absolutely said:
Only 144 k are sealed.JEWS

If they are in christ/disciples they were already sealed.

Again you are off into some rabbit trail trying to shoehorn in a false concept.
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All believers are sealed by the Holy Spirit, Eph 1:13, 4:30

The 144,000 will be saved, sealed, and added to the church present on earth.

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
 
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""The Sealed Church upon earth will be untouched, ...""

Really????

There are millions martyred during the gt.

Again,a tiny bit of study helps.
 
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The resurrection happens. Those believers who are still naturally alive at that time will be resurrected as well.
"Rapture" is merely a word used to describe them.

I believe the resurrection will happen at the second coming. Not 7 years before or at any time previously.
 
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I've not come across one person who is not off theologically in other major areas, who rejects a pre trib rapture .
 
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Absolutely said:
""The Sealed Church upon earth will be untouched, ...""

Really????

There are millions martyred during the gt.

Again,a tiny bit of study helps.
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Then study. The Bible without the Rapture books as a guide to it. Put the Bible first.

These are some studies Pre-trib teachers will NEVER encourage you to study in depth.
A through study of Passover
A thorough study of Joshua Chapter 6 (Some Revelation allusions are explained in Jericho & nowhere else)
A thorough study of spiritual marking including The Exodus, Ezekiel Chapter 9 & Revelation.
 
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Godcares said:
Mark of the beast
If the rapture theory is not true, then when the beast tells us to receive his mark, then many pastors will tell Christians that this mark could not be the mark described in the book of Revelation, because the rapture must first come. They will tell Christians that since the rapture has not come then mark could not be the mark of the beast.

This will result in thousands if not millions of Christians receiving the actual mark of the beast because they would be waiting for a rapture that will not happen. This is a scary thought!
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Not everyone believes the mark of the beast on the hand and forehead are literal devices or marks such as computer chips, implants, bank cards, or anything similar, and there are Scriptural reasons to believe they are not... much in the same way we would not accept that just because people were trying to build the tower of Babel meant we think they could have actually reached God that way, through their human means and/or effort, or that the laws written on our hearts are literally etched/chiseled there.

The forehead very much represents a person's thinking and beliefs, out of which arise
the actions anyone takes and the things we do and what we serve with our hands.

Revelation 14:1 says, Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion,
and with him 144, 000 who had His name and His Father's name written on their foreheads.

Revelation 22:4 says: They will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads.

I believe the mark is meant to be symbolic of Whom we have pledged our allegiance.

Fix these words of mine in your hearts and minds; tie them as reminders on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.
Deuteronomy 11:18

Deuteronomy 6:5-8 ~ Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.

Hebrews 10:16 ~ “This is the covenant I will make with them after those days,
declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their hearts and inscribe them on their minds.”

:)
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Do you believe in a second coming of Jesus Christ?

If yes, when?
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Absolutely, after the beast declares himself to be God. No one knows the day or the hour. I know that you know this. It's one of the first adult Sunday School lessons.
 
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Absolutely said:
There are millions martyred during the gt.

Again,a tiny bit of study helps.
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Please point me to the word (Millions) in scripture, waiting? :eek:

More Tim La Haye (Left Behind) Sic-Fi, antichrist death squads and guillotines every where.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Please point me to the word (Millions) in scripture, waiting? :eek:

More Tim La Haye (Left Behind) Sic-Fi, antichrist death squads and guillotines every where.
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I'm positive that lots of places that showed "A distant thunder" & "A thief in the Night" did so in order to scare people into saying the sinners prayer. They did so because they believed that it was justified. In my young Christian days I associated with Evangelical Christians, only! I worked, went to school, movies, concerts and various other meetings at the same Church. However I also went to concerts at Calvary Chapel and went to some of the shops (bookstores, etc.) at Maranatha Village in Costa Mesa.
 
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