Plea not to receive mark of the beast because of waiting for rapture

[Godcares]

l used to believe in the rapture and now I do not after re-examining the bible and realizing that there is not enough biblical evidence.
I preferred to believe in the rapture theory because it is what is commonly preached. I liked the world ending that way. With me being raptured and not going through the tribulation. The theory suited me.
But I can no longer believe things which do not have enough evidence in the bible because they are appealing to me. Even if many pastors are preaching it and I have friends and family members and colleagues that believe in the rapture.

Through the tribulation
If you read the bible verses that are commonly used to prove the rapture theory, you will realize that they actually relate to the actual Second Coming of Jesus (especially 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).
I believe that we are going to go through the tribulation like the Israelites did during the time of the plagues in ancient Egypt. If you look at the plagues of ancient Egypt (Exodus 7-11), you will realize that they are similar to the plagues in the book of Revelation 16.The Israelites went through the plagues and God preserved them.
And I believe that the same is going to happen in future. If God can shield ancient Israel from the plagues, then He has the ability to shield us from the plagues. The faithful Christians will not be affected by the plagues; it is only those who receive the mark of the beast and worship his image according to Revelation 16. Therefore faithful Christians do not need to fear the plagues. God sustained Elijah during the 3 years of no rain (1 Kings 17) and He will be able to sustain us. However, there are Christians who will be beheaded because they refused to receive the mark and refused to worship the beast, although they will not be affected by God’s plagues (Revelation 20:4).

Mark of the beast
If the rapture theory is not true, then when the beast tells us to receive his mark, then many pastors will tell Christians that this mark could not be the mark described in the book of Revelation, because the rapture must first come. They will tell Christians that since the rapture has not come then mark could not be the mark of the beast.

This will result in thousands if not millions of Christians receiving the actual mark of the beast because they would be waiting for a rapture that will not happen. This is a scary thought!

Those who believe in the rapture, especially the pre-rapture are more in danger of receiving the mark of the beast than those who do not believe that the rapture theory is true.

Part of me wishes that the rapture theory was true, because the thought of many Christians being deceived into getting the mark of the beast pains me. However, there is not enough biblical evidence support the rapture theory.

We need to study our bibles daily to avoid being deceived and we cannot believe something because the majority of pastors are preaching it. Hosea 4:6 says “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge”

Plea
Therefore this is a plea that whether or not you believe in the rapture, if something looks even similar to the mark of the beast, do not listen to your pastors. You should make an individual decision that you will not accept it, nor receive it.

The devil is an arch-deceiver, he knows that most Christians are not going to readily receive the mark of the beast. So I believe that he is going to try to deceive many people and Christians to receive it (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 13:13-14, Mark 13:22). The rapture theory is the perfect instrument to use to execute his deception.

I did not write this post to add to the arguments about the rapture theory. There have been more than enough arguments and bickering about this subject. If you believe in the rapture and others could not convince you that it will not happen, then I doubt that I can.
I am writing to plead that if you suspect that something is the mark of the beast or image to the beast, ask the Holy Spirit whether it is or not and make a decision not to receive it. The bible is infallible, but pastors are.

 

[Truth7t7]

l used to believe in the rapture and now I do not after re-examining the bible and realizing that there is not enough biblical evidence.
I preferred to believe in the rapture theory because it is what is commonly preached. I liked the world ending that way. With me being raptured and not going through the tribulation. The theory suited me.
But I can no longer believe things which do not have enough evidence in the bible because they are appealing to me. Even if many pastors are preaching it and I have friends and family members and colleagues that believe in the rapture.

Through the tribulation
If you read the bible verses that are commonly used to prove the rapture theory, you will realize that they actually relate to the actual Second Coming of Jesus (especially 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).
I believe that we are going to go through the tribulation like the Israelites did during the time of the plagues in ancient Egypt. If you look at the plagues of ancient Egypt (Exodus 7-11), you will realize that they are similar to the plagues in the book of Revelation 16.The Israelites went through the plagues and God preserved them.
And I believe that the same is going to happen in future. If God can shield ancient Israel from the plagues, then He has the ability to shield us from the plagues. The faithful Christians will not be affected by the plagues; it is only those who receive the mark of the beast and worship his image according to Revelation 16. Therefore faithful Christians do not need to fear the plagues. God sustained Elijah during the 3 years of no rain (1 Kings 17) and He will be able to sustain us. However, there are Christians who will be beheaded because they refused to receive the mark and refused to worship the beast, although they will not be affected by God’s plagues (Revelation 20:4).

Mark of the beast
If the rapture theory is not true, then when the beast tells us to receive his mark, then many pastors will tell Christians that this mark could not be the mark described in the book of Revelation, because the rapture must first come. They will tell Christians that since the rapture has not come then mark could not be the mark of the beast.

This will result in thousands if not millions of Christians receiving the actual mark of the beast because they would be waiting for a rapture that will not happen. This is a scary thought!

Those who believe in the rapture, especially the pre-rapture are more in danger of receiving the mark of the beast than those who do not believe that the rapture theory is true.

Part of me wishes that the rapture theory was true, because the thought of many Christians being deceived into getting the mark of the beast pains me. However, there is not enough biblical evidence support the rapture theory.

We need to study our bibles daily to avoid being deceived and we cannot believe something because the majority of pastors are preaching it. Hosea 4:6 says “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge”

Plea
Therefore this is a plea that whether or not you believe in the rapture, if something looks even similar to the mark of the beast, do not listen to your pastors. You should make an individual decision that you will not accept it, nor receive it.

The devil is an arch-deceiver, he knows that most Christians are not going to readily receive the mark of the beast. So I believe that he is going to try to deceive many people and Christians to receive it (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 13:13-14, Mark 13:22). The rapture theory is the perfect instrument to use to execute his deception.

I did not write this post to add to the arguments about the rapture theory. There have been more than enough arguments and bickering about this subject. If you believe in the rapture and others could not convince you that it will not happen, then I doubt that I can.
I am writing to plead that if you suspect that something is the mark of the beast or image to the beast, ask the Holy Spirit whether it is or not and make a decision not to receive it. The bible is infallible, but pastors are.

Glad to see the Lord delivered you from the spiders web in dispensationalism's deception, I was bound for 20 years without question, until I studied the claim, (Its A lie)

Your 100% correct, the tribulation is going to be a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, the Two Witnesses will stand against the Antichrist bringing all plagues as often as they will, (The Holy Spirit Sealed) believers are protected, Eph 1:13, 4:30, Rev 9:1-5, yes just as the Hebrews were protected.

Another deceptive teaching is that Jesus Christ is going to physically return to earth and take a physical throne of David, who's that going to be?

The Antichrist!

 

[JaumeJ]

When I first read the Word through, from the first time to the last, I did not see anything resembling a rapture before the return of Jesus-Yeshua.

Upon my return to "civilization," I heard of this rapture before the greatesst tribulation ever, and to this day, I cannot understand how anyone could say we who are yet in the flesh will not live during this time.

I will not be convinced by human doctrine that my loving Father will not leave those with understanding here to help those not yet with the same, as Daniel writes and it is true, though we be scattered, we are going to help in a wonderful Glory-to-God manner.

 

[Absolutely]

l used to believe in the rapture and now I do not after re-examining the bible and realizing that there is not enough biblical evidence.
I preferred to believe in the rapture theory because it is what is commonly preached. I liked the world ending that way. With me being raptured and not going through the tribulation. The theory suited me.
But I can no longer believe things which do not have enough evidence in the bible because they are appealing to me. Even if many pastors are preaching it and I have friends and family members and colleagues that believe in the rapture.

Through the tribulation
If you read the bible verses that are commonly used to prove the rapture theory, you will realize that they actually relate to the actual Second Coming of Jesus (especially 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).
I believe that we are going to go through the tribulation like the Israelites did during the time of the plagues in ancient Egypt. If you look at the plagues of ancient Egypt (Exodus 7-11), you will realize that they are similar to the plagues in the book of Revelation 16.The Israelites went through the plagues and God preserved them.
And I believe that the same is going to happen in future. If God can shield ancient Israel from the plagues, then He has the ability to shield us from the plagues. The faithful Christians will not be affected by the plagues; it is only those who receive the mark of the beast and worship his image according to Revelation 16. Therefore faithful Christians do not need to fear the plagues. God sustained Elijah during the 3 years of no rain (1 Kings 17) and He will be able to sustain us. However, there are Christians who will be beheaded because they refused to receive the mark and refused to worship the beast, although they will not be affected by God’s plagues (Revelation 20:4).

Mark of the beast
If the rapture theory is not true, then when the beast tells us to receive his mark, then many pastors will tell Christians that this mark could not be the mark described in the book of Revelation, because the rapture must first come. They will tell Christians that since the rapture has not come then mark could not be the mark of the beast.

This will result in thousands if not millions of Christians receiving the actual mark of the beast because they would be waiting for a rapture that will not happen. This is a scary thought!

Those who believe in the rapture, especially the pre-rapture are more in danger of receiving the mark of the beast than those who do not believe that the rapture theory is true.

Part of me wishes that the rapture theory was true, because the thought of many Christians being deceived into getting the mark of the beast pains me. However, there is not enough biblical evidence support the rapture theory.

We need to study our bibles daily to avoid being deceived and we cannot believe something because the majority of pastors are preaching it. Hosea 4:6 says “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge”

Plea
Therefore this is a plea that whether or not you believe in the rapture, if something looks even similar to the mark of the beast, do not listen to your pastors. You should make an individual decision that you will not accept it, nor receive it.

The devil is an arch-deceiver, he knows that most Christians are not going to readily receive the mark of the beast. So I believe that he is going to try to deceive many people and Christians to receive it (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 13:13-14, Mark 13:22). The rapture theory is the perfect instrument to use to execute his deception.

I did not write this post to add to the arguments about the rapture theory. There have been more than enough arguments and bickering about this subject. If you believe in the rapture and others could not convince you that it will not happen, then I doubt that I can.
I am writing to plead that if you suspect that something is the mark of the beast or image to the beast, ask the Holy Spirit whether it is or not and make a decision not to receive it. The bible is infallible, but pastors are.

I totally disagree.
1) you have no verses pointing to a postrib rapture
2) the rapture is pretrib and is easily defended.
3) The ac kills all refusing the mark. (That alone removes the idea of a postrib rapture)
4) the church fathers were without the dynamic of Israel being restored as a nation,therefore their skewed perspective on a postrib rapture was poorly determined, and falsely popular.

5) rev 14 has a gathring by Jesus DURING THE GT. So either paul in 1st Thes. 4 is wrong or you are wrong (dead rising FIRST after the rev 14 gathering). THAT ALONE MAKES A POSTRIB RAPTURE IMPOSSIBLE

5) the verses supporting the pretrib rapture are hands down, either skipped,or reframed in your doctrine
(100% true)

Without a doubt the rapture is pretrib.

Take any one of my points and change my mind.
Should be easy since you say the bible teaches the opposite

 

[Absolutely]

Btw

I have never seen, in 38 years of study/ debate, anyone successfully defend a postrib rapture.
It is that far fetched

 

[Absolutely]

Most all postribbers have an "antipretrib thrust and base"

The postrib rapture is based in conjecture,not scripture.

Look at the op.

The message is "you poor,poor pretrib decieved ones"

How ironic that Jesus commands us to" pray that you may be counted WORTHY to escape the things about to come upon the world....."

Then the 5 foolish virgins are left behind due to UNWORTHINESS.

The rapture is the gathering of the bride....gentile bride.

Now....Jerusalem is trodden down by the gentiles until the time of the gentiles is fulfilled. IOW THE LAST CALL IS YHE PRETRIB RAPTURE.

 

[Truth7t7]

I totally disagree.
1) you have no verses pointing to a postrib rapture
2) the rapture is pretrib and is easily defended.
3) The ac kills all refusing the mark. (That alone removes the idea of a postrib rapture)
4) the church fathers were without the dynamic of Israel being restored as a nation,therefore their skewed perspective on a postrib rapture was poorly determined, and falsely popular.

5) rev 14 has a gathring by Jesus DURING THE GT. So either paul in 1st Thes. 4 is wrong or you are wrong (dead rising FIRST after the rev 14 gathering). THAT ALONE MAKES A POSTRIB RAPTURE IMPOSSIBLE

5) the verses supporting the pretrib rapture are hands down, either skipped,or reframed in your doctrine
(100% true)

Without a doubt the rapture is pretrib.

Take any one of my points and change my mind.
Should be easy since you say the bible teaches the opposite

Dispensationalism's Propaganda, Tim La Haye (Left Behind) Sci-Fi Episode 666

 

[Absolutely]

Glad to see the Lord delivered you from the spiders web in dispensationalism's deception, I was bound for 20 years without question, until I studied the claim, (Its A lie)

Your 100% correct, the tribulation is going to be a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, the Two Witnesses will stand against the Antichrist bringing all plagues as often as they will, (The Holy Spirit Sealed) believers are protected, Eph 1:13, 4:30, Rev 9:1-5, yes just as the Hebrews were protected.

Another deceptive teaching is that Jesus Christ is going to physically return to earth and take a physical throne of David, who's that going to be?

The Antichrist!

Your entire deal is; "there is only one coming and the second coming is the rapture."

(Which is destroyed in mat 24 and rev 14)

You stand in a wrecked smashed doctrine and act like you have high ground.

Your cliche centered stance is beyond weak.

 

[Absolutely]

When I first read the Word through, from the first time to the last, I did not see anything resembling a rapture before the return of Jesus-Yeshua.

Upon my return to "civilization," I heard of this rapture before the greatesst tribulation ever, and to this day, I cannot understand how anyone could say we who are yet in the flesh will not live during this time.

I will not be convinced by human doctrine that my loving Father will not leave those with understanding here to help those not yet with the same, as Daniel writes and it is true, though we be scattered, we are going to help in a wonderful Glory-to-God manner.

Too funny

The postrib rapture is so easily debunked with a bible.

 

[Absolutely]

A forum with discussion is not the format for "God showed me"

We need verses.

"God"/(voices in your head) need a WITNESS.

Prove your deal with verses

Yes we all know "god" showed you.
If it ain't backed up....it iS false.
PERIOD.

All cults are founded on "god showed me"

 

[Absolutely]

I am from Missouri

Show me.

Pick a point and show me

 

[Truth7t7]

Your entire deal is; "there is only one coming and the second coming is the rapture."

(Which is destroyed in mat 24 and rev 14)

You stand in a wrecked smashed doctrine and act like you have high ground.

Your cliche centered stance is beyond weak.

Gods word has High Ground, no such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in the scripture, none

The main scripture used by supporters of this teaching is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming)(Last Day) resurrection

Is a resurrection of the believer seen below 100% yes

Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught, 100% yes

Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught 100% yes

It's you who denies the truth of Gods words below, simple,clear, and very easy to understand.

(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Lanolin]

There is a boy in my school called Rapture. He is 7 years old. I think he would disagree that there is no Rapture.
when it is, though, is open to interpretation.

Personally I think it is post, as in after the tribulation of birth, Rapture was born.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I did not write this post to add to the arguments about the rapture theory.

There is no such thing as a "rapture theory". Either the doctrine of the Rapture is biblical, or it is not.

There is one little detail that you are forgetting. The Holy Spirit (and consequently the Church) must be "TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY" before the Antichrist can take control of this world for 3 1/2 years.

 

[Truth7t7]

There is no such thing as a "rapture theory". Either the doctrine of the Rapture is biblical, or it is not.

There is one little detail that you are forgetting. The Holy Spirit (and consequently the Church) must be "TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY" before the Antichrist can take control of this world for 3 1/2 years.

Is that like the Hebrews being raptured, before the plagues fell upon Egypt?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Dispensationalism's Propaganda

If it comes to propaganda, you are THE LEADING PROPAGANDIST on this forum. Just look at all the threads you have been posting. Just flooding the forum with propaganda to suit your beliefs (which contradict Scripture).

 

[Nehemiah6]

Is that like the Hebrews being raptured, before the plagues fell upon Egypt?

Since you brought this up, the Israelites were UNTOUCHED by the plagues which came upon Egypt. Only the Egyptians were affected. Which actually supports the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church.

 

[Truth7t7]

If it comes to propaganda, you are THE LEADING PROPAGANDIST on this forum. Just look at all the threads you have been posting. Just flooding the forum with propaganda to suit your beliefs (which contradict Scripture).

By all means, post scripture and your argument to disprove the claims made, waiting?

 

[Truth7t7]

Since you brought this up, the Israelites were UNTOUCHED by the plagues which came upon Egypt. Only the Egyptians were affected. Which actually supports the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church.

The Sealed Church upon earth will be untouched, when the Two Witnesses bring the plagues upon the world, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt.

The plagues in Egypt are a testament to a remake of Moses/Aaron in Revelation Chapters 9-11-16

 

[calibob]

l used to believe in the rapture and now I do not after re-examining the bible and realizing that there is not enough biblical evidence.
I preferred to believe in the rapture theory because it is what is commonly preached. I liked the world ending that way. With me being raptured and not going through the tribulation. The theory suited me.
But I can no longer believe things which do not have enough evidence in the bible because they are appealing to me. Even if many pastors are preaching it and I have friends and family members and colleagues that believe in the rapture.

Through the tribulation
If you read the bible verses that are commonly used to prove the rapture theory, you will realize that they actually relate to the actual Second Coming of Jesus (especially 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).
I believe that we are going to go through the tribulation like the Israelites did during the time of the plagues in ancient Egypt. If you look at the plagues of ancient Egypt (Exodus 7-11), you will realize that they are similar to the plagues in the book of Revelation 16.The Israelites went through the plagues and God preserved them.
And I believe that the same is going to happen in future. If God can shield ancient Israel from the plagues, then He has the ability to shield us from the plagues. The faithful Christians will not be affected by the plagues; it is only those who receive the mark of the beast and worship his image according to Revelation 16. Therefore faithful Christians do not need to fear the plagues. God sustained Elijah during the 3 years of no rain (1 Kings 17) and He will be able to sustain us. However, there are Christians who will be beheaded because they refused to receive the mark and refused to worship the beast, although they will not be affected by God’s plagues (Revelation 20:4).

Mark of the beast
If the rapture theory is not true, then when the beast tells us to receive his mark, then many pastors will tell Christians that this mark could not be the mark described in the book of Revelation, because the rapture must first come. They will tell Christians that since the rapture has not come then mark could not be the mark of the beast.

This will result in thousands if not millions of Christians receiving the actual mark of the beast because they would be waiting for a rapture that will not happen. This is a scary thought!

Those who believe in the rapture, especially the pre-rapture are more in danger of receiving the mark of the beast than those who do not believe that the rapture theory is true.

Part of me wishes that the rapture theory was true, because the thought of many Christians being deceived into getting the mark of the beast pains me. However, there is not enough biblical evidence support the rapture theory.
12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
We need to study our bibles daily to avoid being deceived and we cannot believe something because the majority of pastors are preaching it. Hosea 4:6 says “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge”

Plea
Therefore this is a plea that whether or not you believe in the rapture, if something looks even similar to the mark of the beast, do not listen to your pastors. You should make an individual decision that you will not accept it, nor receive it.

The devil is an arch-deceiver, he knows that most Christians are not going to readily receive the mark of the beast. So I believe that he is going to try to deceive many people and Christians to receive it (Revelation 19:20, Revelation 13:13-14, Mark 13:22). The rapture theory is the perfect instrument to use to execute his deception.

I did not write this post to add to the arguments about the rapture theory. There have been more than enough arguments and bickering about this subject. If you believe in the rapture and others could not convince you that it will not happen, then I doubt that I can.
I am writing to plead that if you suspect that something is the mark of the beast or image to the beast, ask the Holy Spirit whether it is or not and make a decision not to receive it. The bible is infallible, but pastors are.

Which rapture theory are you talking about? I don't believe in pre trib rapture nor post trib. either. I've been distracted however because some preachers, that I've heard lecture about it, seemed to have made it their #1 topic so let's see what Jesus said: Matthew 24- 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ a spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

I've heard Hal Lindsey lecture and he sold alot of books about it too. Chuck Smith predicted it would occur in 1987 as I recall but Dr. Walter Martin (the original 'Bible answerman') was the most well educated Theological Professor (I think he had a eidetic memory) that I've ever met admitted something Professors rarely ever say. "I don't know." and he urged us to drop the subject because it leads to bickering and division which is not of God. He said just do what we're supposed to be doing. Spreading the Good News of Salvation and the end won't come until everybody, everywhere hears the simple gospel. "Jesus Saves." Then the class was dismissed.