POLL: The Deity of Christ

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The Deity of Christ?


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Jan 19, 2013
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Spiritual truth written in the bible can only be understood through the holy spirit. And it would be irrelevant to your ability to learn such truth what iq you have or how great your academic mind is.
Then a three-year-old apprehends all the Scriptures. . .NOT!
 
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I think it is a fact that on a website such as this it is tantamount to waving a red flag before a bull to suggest learning spiritual truth/how much you can learn does not depend on how great the academic mind is nor a persons IQ
Strawman. . .
 
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senzi

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Are you serious?

The writer of the first chapter of the gospel of John may have been illiterate?

No wonder you are so misinformed.
Hard for you to believe isn't it. I am sorry my stressing the holy spirit leads into truth and he does not rely on the academic mind or high IQ to give much spiritual understanding upsets you
 

Angela53510

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I've been reading a commentary of 2 Corinthians by George Guthrie. In the preface, he goes deeply into the words in Greek. He also shows how Paul connected his thoughts, used parallelism to connect the beginning and the end of the book, and rebuts claims that the book was put together with fragments of several letters, and shows the connections, the words repeated etc etc.

I love 2 Corinthians, but I was not aware of how incredibly skillful Paul was at using Greek writing style in his letter. Because I really don't know much about Greek writing styles. (I know a little more after reading this commentary)

It has greatly enhanced my understanding of the Bible, and I am learning and growing with each page. Meanwhile, I am reading the 2 Cor. in English and Greek, so what he is saying has more impact. The Holy Spirit is using this book for me to grow in the knowledge of the truth!

That is what the academics is about. It is going well beyond just reading the verses, to really seeing the hand of God directing each writer in the Bible to express his will, and to do it well.

When you read in the Greek (and I'm not saying everyone needs to do this!) you begin to see marked differences in the language, the grammar and word order between the different New Testament writers. For instance, 1, 2 & 3rd John have very simple language. I literally read it straight through on the first reading.

Paul's writing if far more complex. In Romans, where he gets into deep theological concepts, the words used are incredibly difficult and not common. A lot of work for me to read Romans!

So all I am saying, is don't put down academics. The Holy Spirit has led me to a deeper level of understanding of the Bible through my academic studies. My husband though, just reads the NIV and learns from that. God guides and leads us as he gifts us. My husband is a wonderful Christian man, lead by God. But he doesn't appear to want to go deep into the Bible, like I need to do. We are both serving God, and together we are working to expand the Kingdom of God.
 
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I assure you, you will not be wasting any more of it.
Actually I read much of your first two posts in relation to understanding the nature of God better, but as I could see no reference to the holy spirit I saw little point in reading anymore
 
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The thread question is, "Is Christ deity?"

The answer is, "yes. Christ is [present tense] deity compared to we who are not deity but earthly." It's a difference in class of existence, with Christ being from above and we being from below.
It's not in comparison to anything. . .it's his nature--divine.

Angels are not earthly, and they are not divine (deity).

I am human, not because I am earthly, but because that is my nature--human.
 
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Elin said:
Words have assigned meanings. . .that is what they mean, and not something else.

Organic is carbon based.
To the contrary dear Elin:
At least in Merriam-Webster online, the definition of 'organic' preceding 'carbon' is:
2a : of, relating to, or arising in a bodily organ
b : affecting the structure of the organism
3
a (1) : of, relating to, or derived from living organisms <organic evolution> (2) : of, relating to, yielding, or involving the use of food produced with the use of feed or fertilizer of plant or animal origin without employment of chemically formulated fertilizers, growth stimulants, antibiotics, or pesticides <organic farming> <organic produce>

You're missing the English dictionary's assigned meaning of 'organic.' Which is much broader than your limited, physical concept. Likewise with the English 'mingling':
Full Definition of MINGLE

transitive verb
1
: to bring or mix together or with something else usually without fundamental loss of identity : intermix
Broaden your reference sources. . .you're only 15.
 
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I don't believe the holy spirit depends on a person reading the Greek translation to come to better spiritual understanding.

I don't challenge anyone who may be blessed with a great academic mind, but
it is certainly wrong according to the bible to believe such an academic mind will give the ability to have greater spiritual understanding. 1cor 3:18-22 id a good example, and incidentally written by someone with a great academic mind. However ge knew it was the holy spirit who would lead him into truth, it is that spirit he totally relied on
Strawman. . .
 
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Given the onset of so many threads/comments denouncing the Deity of Christ, I want to establish a POLL to try and determine how widespread this belief is here on CC.

Will try to word it so that a Yes vote proclaims the Deity of Christ and a No vote denies the Deity of Christ.

To be clear, denying the Deity of Christ means that Jesus Christ is not, never was, nor ever will be God. He is not the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, and as this is believed, then it also holds that those who deny the Deity of Christ, deny the Holy Trinity as well. One can hardly believe in the Holy Trinity and deny the Deity of Christ.

So, lets see............


YES: Jesus Christ is God the Son

(He is, was, and always will be God the Son, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity)


NO: Jesus Christ was a man.

(Flesh and blood. He was created by God, and while He is God's son, He is not God the Son.)

???: I don't know.


If you do not wish to make a comment, that is perfectly ok, but please vote.
Jesus Christ is God's Son and He has flesh and blood. Both. Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Any spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh is not from God.
 
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Hard for you to believe isn't it. I am sorry my stressing the holy spirit leads into truth and he does not rely on the academic mind or high IQ to give much spiritual understanding upsets you
Strawman. . .
 
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Broaden your reference sources. . .you're only 15.
Lol. Since you claim 'resources' and 'assigned meanings' of words,
feel welcome to paste or cite your resources.
To think 'organic' means 'physical' is simple unfamiliarity with English.
Likewise to misunderstand mingling.
But the profound reality is that when the Bible says the Word became flesh,
it means God mingled with man. Irrevocably, irretrievably, and eternally.
And when God's salvation for us is organic-----it is not merely judicial and legal.
But we who believe have been born of Him, Jn 1:12-13.
 
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Actually I read much of your first two posts in relation to understanding the nature of God better, but as I could see no reference to the holy spirit I saw little point in reading anymore
Oh. . .so it's about making sure you mention the Holy Spirit. . .not about what the Holy Spirit illumines to you.

First things first. . .
 
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Oh. . .so it's about making sure you mention the Holy Spirit. . .not about what the Holy Spirit illumines to you.

First things first. . .

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Lol. Since you claim 'resources' and 'assigned meanings' of words,
feel welcome to paste or cite your resources.
To think 'organic' means 'physical' is simple unfamiliarity with English.
Nope. . .

Likewise to misunderstand mingling.
But the profound reality is that when the Bible says the Word became flesh,
it means God mingled with man.
Nope. . .you're using the wrong language.
 

oldhermit

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Lol. Since you claim 'resources' and 'assigned meanings' of words,
feel welcome to paste or cite your resources.
To think 'organic' means 'physical' is simple unfamiliarity with English.
Likewise to misunderstand mingling.
But the profound reality is that when the Bible says the Word became flesh,
it means God mingled with man. Irrevocably, irretrievably, and eternally.
And when God's salvation for us is organic-----it is not merely judicial and legal.
But we who believe have been born of Him, Jn 1:12-13.
From dictionary.com
1350-1400; Middle English: pertaining to an organ of the body < Latin organicus by or employing a mechanical device, instrumental < Greek organikós equivalent to órgan(on) organ (a grouping of tissues into a distinct structure, as a heart or kidney in animals or a leaf or stamen in plants, that performs a specialized task) + -ikos - a suffix forming adjectives from other parts of speech, occurring originally in Greek and Latin loanwords ( metallic; poetic; archaic; public) and, on this model, used as an adjective-forming suffix with the particular senses “having some characteristics of” (opposed to the simple attributive use of the base noun) ( balletic; sophomoric); “in the style of” ( Byronic; Miltonic); “pertaining to a family of peoples or languages” ( Finnic; Semitic; Turkic).
 
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Well, I won't apologize for preferring the Bible's language and terms to yours.
But thanks for your thoughtful 'nopes.'
They give me something to go on
 

oldhermit

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Well, I won't apologize for preferring the Bible's language and terms to yours.
But thanks for your thoughtful 'nopes.'
They give me something to go on
The word "organic" does not appear in the bible.
 
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From dictionary.com
1350-1400; Middle English: pertaining to an organ of the body < Latin organicus by or employing a mechanical device, instrumental < Greek organikós equivalent to órgan(on) organ (a grouping of tissues into a distinct structure, as a heart or kidney in animals or a leaf or stamen in plants, that performs a specialized task) + -ikos - a suffix forming adjectives from other parts of speech, occurring originally in Greek and Latin loanwords ( metallic; poetic; archaic; public) and, on this model, used as an adjective-forming suffix with the particular senses “having some characteristics of” (opposed to the simple attributive use of the base noun) ( balletic; sophomoric); “in the style of” ( Byronic; Miltonic); “pertaining to a family of peoples or languages” ( Finnic; Semitic; Turkic).
See?
This person is actually trying.
Thanks for your 'light' that 'organic' is derived from 'organ.'
But you misconstrue language if you think it's unchangeable or bound to its origins.
Christ compares Himself to the Vine. Likewise He has a Body, the church. Which is not plant or
nonhuman, but is fairly 'organic' in keeping with His own definitions
 

oldhermit

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From dictionary.com

See?
This person is actually trying.
Thanks for your 'light' that 'organic' is derived from 'organ.'
But you misconstrue language if you think it's unchangeable or bound to its origins.
Christ compares Himself to the Vine. Likewise He has a Body, the church. Which is not plant or
nonhuman, but is fairly 'organic' in keeping with His own definitions
Like I said earlier son, you need to be listening, not talking. You are obviously in way over your head. You are totally misrepresenting the use of anthropomorphism in scripture.