Praying in Tongues

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You keep repeating this blather, but you have so far not provided any explanation as to why it is valid when completely irrelevant, as in Acts 10 when there were no unbelieving Jews present to hear Cornelius speak in tongues.
Dino, coming from a guy who makes everything in the bible an allegory .
 

Dino246

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have you considered a split personality?

perhaps there are 2 of him fighting for dominance

both are loosing
I wish I could click the "Funny" icon for that. I can't access it from this computer for some reason.
 

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Dino, coming from a guy who makes everything in the bible an allegory .
Good point. The parable of God not seen in the natural no faith unbeliever from Isaiah 28 the word of God prophecy .
 

7seasrekeyed

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Taking everything literally does not help you. When it is said that satan steals, destroys and kills, it is in a spiritual sense and not physical sense. Everyone dies even the righteous dies and this is nothing personal but God harvesting the earth. We see in Rev 14 two angels being ordered from heaven to harvest the earth, both the wheat and tares. There's nothing that happens against the will of God.

so the devil takes nothing physically?

I guess you do not have the story of Job in whatever Bible you have on hand?

I guess you also are missing the story of Ananias and his wife...of how they allowed the devil to lie through them and they physically lost their lives

I guess you have the allegory version of scripture...I see now where some have compared what you write to a preterist

the angels in heaven do not regularly 'harvest the earth'

there is plenty that happens against God's will. for example God is not willing that any should perish, but perish they do...but not with harvesting angels :rolleyes:
 

garee

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Why do you continue to argue against claims that nobody makes?
Hi Dino

If you were following what was being said or what I call the kettle calling the pot black then you might want to rethink the idea that there was a reason I did offer my opinion as to looking at flesh as the temporal things seen vs. the spirit the eternal things not seen ..

Signs follow prophecy. Signs don't lead prophecy as if the things are earth are bound as law in heaven. or things loosened from heaven being first loosed from earth. The faithless Jew were known for turning things upside down .In affect making the place seen, the Holy place, and the unseen place.. nothing...no God. The things seen can never become a source of faith the unseen . Who has a living hope, hopes for that which they already have.? The things not seen are hopeless to them.

Sign or prophecy . Walking by faith or walking by sight? Which master?
 

7seasrekeyed

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I did not. Those that attribute to God things that are not God's are equating satan to God. Satan deceives them to believe that whatever they do is from God and therefore claim that it is God yet it is not God. There's no higher pride than claiming "what i'm doing is God's doing.." when it is not.

oh the irony

here we have someone who that attributes the things of God to the devil and claims someone saying they are doing God's will has the highest pride of all

that is what the religious leaders said to Jesus and they hated him

actually, it is not at all easy to do the will of God. first of all, you have to actually KNOW what it is

and most answers from this type of attitude revealed by noose and others here, would be wrong
 

7seasrekeyed

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Q. How is self edification not self seeking?
We all know that love is not self seeking and where there's no love there's no God also.
did you make that up all by yourself?

edify does not mean a lack of love

the Bible does not say God is absent where there is no love. there is no love coming from you here, but I can assure you God is present

musta made that up all by yourself too
 

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Acts Chapter 2

And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Others mocking said, “They are full of new wine.”


if both of these languages spoken by the 120 and Hanna were as you say "real, rational languages…" every time why did they Mock and falsely accused?
^I want someone to answer this PRONTO!

Gimme gimme gimme
 

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@CS1 -

Well, I’m not familiar with all idiomatic expressions found in the Bible, but frankly, the passage is just describing someone (Hannah) talking to themselves (in this case praying), such that they’re only speaking in their head, but their lips are still moving - I’m pretty sure just about everyone reading this post has, on occasion, caught someone doing just that. It’s kind of embarrassing for the person who’s talking to themselves to get 'caught in the act'.

As I said, I’m not familiar with all idiomatic expressions, but it seems reasonable to imagine that if you caught someone doing that, you might indeed be inclined to say something like “Ah, you okay over there? Whatta ya drunk, or something??"

I don’t necessarily see that as ‘falsely accusing’ or ‘mocking’ someone of something. That’s a bit harsh and reading way too much into the passage.

Once Hannah ‘gets caught’ by Eli though, she’s got a bit of explaining to do.

In any event, I’m also pretty sure that Hannah was praying whatever her native language was.

In Acts – there’s a lot of different explanations given for the comment. I would say that considering that Galileans were regarded as sort of “rednecks/country bumpkins”, to hear them so inspired and loudly proclaiming the “mighty works of the Lord” and sort of, in the accuser’s minds anyway, making a spectacle of themselves, again, they might indeed be inclined to think they were drunk and call them out on it. I don’t see this as anything odd or special to be singled out.

The Apostles were, of course, speaking real, rational languages.

There were only the 12 that spoke by the way; not 120 (See the end of Acts I in which the thought continues to Acts II).
 

CS1

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I would argue that you’re relaying on a complete redefinition and understanding of “tongues” that came about in the early 1900’s after the failure of Parham and his ilk to demonstrate that what they were producing were real, rational languages hitherto unknown by those speaking them (i.e., xenoglossy). One of the results of this redefinition and understanding of “tongues” was the reading into the narratives of concepts and things that are simply not there and never were, in order to “proof” the modern phenomenon.

No, you won’t find “free-vocalization” in the Bible, because that’s not what “tongues” refers to – when the word is used for something spoken, refers to real, rational languages…every single time; nothing more, nothing less.

The supernatural power of God certainly does work today, it can even be argued that it exists in the "tongues experience”, but the ‘tongues’ themselves (i.e. the speech that is produced) is just not supernatural, no matter how much people would like it to be.

There’s no hate at all – just a reiteration of truth with respect to the modern ‘tongues’ phenomenon.
I see your opinion and how appropriately you say "just not supernatural, no matter how much people would like it to be".

The problem is the word of God does SAY THAT.

Are the gift of the Holy Spirit supernatural or not?

That is the game some like to play; they will say: yes the gift are and were supernatural but they have ceased. But they can not prove they have ceased Biblically with the completion of the Canon. They have to Spiritualize the very word of God by using one or two verses at the most mainly 1COR 13:8 to show the gifts have ceased as they say. 1cor 13:8 says no such thing.
Now because they saw how foolish that thought and narrative failed now they want to call it not of God using secular rationale to explain what they could not do with the word of God. So they created free vocalization they could not even stay with the word gibberish because it's not in the word of god anywhere. Yet I asked is the Gifts of the Holy Spirit supernatural? Not if they can get a medical humanistic explanation for an experience they do not believe happens today anymore. the above opinion from mr. Kavik had not even one scriptural reference yet they can not remove 1cor chapter 12-14. Just think if it was Peter who said what was in 1cor 12 to 14? they would have torn into his word from the Lord But Paul was highly educated. so they can not deal with Paul in that manner.
 
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^I want someone to answer this PRONTO!


Gimme gimme gimme
I am not sure of the question it sounds as if it is asking if to gues are real rational language, that was known, at least by some people.

At least as far as acts 2 goes, it is rational known languages,

Acts 2: And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. 6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language. 7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, “Look, are not all these who speak Galileans? 8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own [c]language in which we were born? 9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretans and [d]Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.” 12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “Whatever could this mean?”

13 Others mocking said, “They are full of new wine.”

Now scripture does talk about tongues whch needs an interpretor (i would assume a prophetic tongue) which is an unknown tongue, and edifies the church as the prophecy or whatever it was came true. And the HS praying in groanings which can not be uttered (could mean a tongue, or that we just do not hear him praying) which do probe not all tongues are at least rational in any human language
 

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I do enjoy praying in tongues during my quiet time with the Lord. It is fabulous to just let the Holy Spirit speak freely over you! :love:

It's not scary or weird at all. With the gift of tongues, you can pray, speak out loud or quietly in your head, sing and whisper.

If you put on some background worship music during your quiet time with the Lord and His Word (the Bible) and just start speaking quietly in tongues with the music...........................it just ushers you into the Throne Room quickly! It's absolutely wonderful!

I really don't worry about not understanding what I'm saying - I simply enjoy the "spiritual" massage in by body, soul and spirit. It's like God is cuddling with you and speaking words of edification over you.......

Sometimes, I will start hearing words in english (my native language) in my head as I'm speaking in tongues which is the Holy Spirit giving me understanding of what He is saying. Absolutely incredible words like..........."fear be silenced and hinder no more My precious child......feel the warmth of the fire of My love for you My darling.......you are strong and fearless......I AM with you......"

After one of these moments, I love to open up the Bible and begin to read..................incredible understanding and revelations....................:love:

I highly recommend praying in tongues! :love:(y)
My Father was an preacher and evangelist and spoke in tongues, and my sis speaks in tongues. I want to, think it would be wonderful, bring me closer to my Lord. I know many say not everyone can, that it is a gift for some, not for others. I wonder, if it points to a lack of faith. Your experience seems so beautiful and so intimate with Him. So my question is this...

Is it simply something we receive like at the pentecost, or is it something we can just start practicing, luke the OP suggest ? Are there scriptures that you could point me to, besides Acts?
 

CS1

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@CS1 -

Well, I’m not familiar with all idiomatic expressions found in the Bible, but frankly, the passage is just describing someone (Hannah) talking to themselves (in this case praying), such that they’re only speaking in their head, but their lips are still moving - I’m pretty sure just about everyone reading this post has, on occasion, caught someone doing just that. It’s kind of embarrassing for the person who’s talking to themselves to get 'caught in the act'.

As I said, I’m not familiar with all idiomatic expressions, but it seems reasonable to imagine that if you caught someone doing that, you might indeed be inclined to say something like “Ah, you okay over there? Whatta ya drunk, or something??"

I don’t necessarily see that as ‘falsely accusing’ or ‘mocking’ someone of something. That’s a bit harsh and reading way too much into the passage.

Once Hannah ‘gets caught’ by Eli though, she’s got a bit of explaining to do.

In any event, I’m also pretty sure that Hannah was praying whatever her native language was.

In Acts – there’s a lot of different explanations given for the comment. I would say that considering that Galileans were regarded as sort of “rednecks/country bumpkins”, to hear them so inspired and loudly proclaiming the “mighty works of the Lord” and sort of, in the accuser’s minds anyway, making a spectacle of themselves, again, they might indeed be inclined to think they were drunk and call them out on it. I don’t see this as anything odd or special to be singled out.

The Apostles were, of course, speaking real, rational languages.

There were only the 12 that spoke by the way; not 120 (See the end of Acts I in which the thought continues to Acts II).
well, you were mistaken in your claim when you said:

"refers to real, rational languages…every single time; nothing more, nothing less".

so please backtrack. rednecks? that is your Biblical explanation for Acts 2 racial overtones and insults country bumpkins. no, they were all filled and spoke is what the Bible says. Ok, I can not take you seriously anymore you too, please were done. I cannot believe the level of arrogance displayed in here. And to make foolish comments about people in a prideful self-gratifying way is a warning to those who hear you.
 

CS1

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My Father was an preacher and evangelist and spoke in tongues, and my sis speaks in tongues. I want to, think it would be wonderful, bring me closer to my Lord. I know many say not everyone can, thar it is a gift for some, not for others. I wonder, if it points to a lack of faith. Your experience seems so beautiful and so intimate with Him. So my question is this...

Is it simply something we receive like at the pentecost, or is it something we can just start practicing?
just ask Jesus to fill you and baptize you and thank HIM for doing it and see what HE does.
 

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just ask Jesus to fill you and baptize you and thank HIM for doing it and see what HE does.
Thank you CS1, much appreciated. I have asked Hin, and trusting Him for whatever He sees fit, but Brother, it causes me to want to examine why I have not been able. I pray He remove any deceit, selfishness, pride or any other sin that may be hindering my being filled in this way.
 

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Is it simply something we receive like at the pentecost, or is it something we can just start practicing, luke the OP suggest ? Are there scriptures that you could point me to, besides Acts?
Not adressed to me but I will still shove my opinion in!

I just FELT WORDS coming out. I had been praying for the gift PREVIOUSLY. But I believe I got the baptism of the Holy Spirit at my water baptism.

Its different for everybody. God works how He wants. I think thats one of the problems we have as westerners, we like to make everything into a A,B,C organized list.
 
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Thank you CS1, much appreciated. I have asked Hin, and trusting Him for whatever He sees fit, but Brother, it causes me to want to examine why I have not been able. I pray He remove any deceit, selfishness, pride or any other sin that may be hindering my being filled in this way.
Not everyone is given all gifts, it may not be you, my aunt walked away from god because she could not speak either, and she felt ashamed, so she made up something which sounded like what others were saying, and the pastor said he interpreted her, which she knew was false.

While it would be great as laftur said to pray like that, god may have other things he needs me to do, so i will continue to seek whatever that is out, if God grants me the gift, i will praise him if not, i will still praise him.
 
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Not adressed to me but I will still shove my opinion in!

I just FELT WORDS coming out. I had been praying for the gift PREVIOUSLY. But I believe I got the baptism of the Holy Spirit at my water baptism.

Its different for everybody. God works how He wants. I think thats one of the problems we have as westerners, we like to make everything into a A,B,C organized list.
I hope the hs baptised you when you called out to God to save you!
 

Dino246

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Hi Dino

If you were following what was being said or what I call the kettle calling the pot black then you might want to rethink the idea that there was a reason I did offer my opinion as to looking at flesh as the temporal things seen vs. the spirit the eternal things not seen ..

Signs follow prophecy. Signs don't lead prophecy as if the things are earth are bound as law in heaven. or things loosened from heaven being first loosed from earth. The faithless Jew were known for turning things upside down .In affect making the place seen, the Holy place, and the unseen place.. nothing...no God. The things seen can never become a source of faith the unseen . Who has a living hope, hopes for that which they already have.? The things not seen are hopeless to them.

Sign or prophecy . Walking by faith or walking by sight? Which master?
Who has claimed that signs lead prophecy? Again, nobody. You're tilting at wind.