Blessings family! I am asking you what you believe scripturally! I am NOT asking for a fierce debate of "why I'm right and you are wrong" here! I and most likely others want to know the facts about His end time coming. I'm not looking for any of you to tell me what you've been taught nor what your Pastor says! I am sincere in my asking and I need feed back that is easy to understand in the word,organized and precise! Simplistic terms please but be concise to prove your point. I have been serving the Lord many years and until now,no one has satisfied my question. There seems to be MUCH division on this study! So plz play nice and help myself and others to understand! Thank you in advance for your input and your Christian behaviour!🙏🙏🙏
It is a post tribulation resurrection, and that is because God is love, and will not give up on the world until they give up on Him, so He has to allow the world to go against the truth all the way to going against Israel, which then He shall defeat the world, and save Israel.
When the world goes against the saints, and scatters their power, then the saints that are alive on earth will be gathered unto Christ, then God's wrath is poured upon the world leading up to the battle of Armageddon where they will attack the Jews, and go against Jerusalem.
That is when God said that His fury shall come up in His face, and He will defeat the world, and punish the world for their sins and iniquities against Him, and save Israel.
That is why the resurrection is at the end of the 7 years period, for God has to allow them to go against the truth, which is the saints for they represent the truth, and then go against the Jews which they will be saved.
God likes to operate by the reasoning that nobody has an excuse, so He does not want to cut it short but wait until they go against the whole truth before putting them down, which the last step for them in trying to get rid of all people that oppose them is the Jews, and when they go against them they have no excuse.
If it is cut short and they do not persecute the saints being pre-7 years resurrection there is an excuse, for they can say we did not go against the saints, and if cut short concerning the Jews they can say we did not go against them.
The man Jesus caused the world to not have an excuse for He made it to heaven, and the saints shall judge the world, and they will not have an excuse for the saints made it to heaven.
This is how it will go down.
Israel 70 weeks, 490 years, to make an end of sins, and as a nation accept Jesus, which the 70 weeks started before Jesus came for they were not in the truth, and the Roman Empire ruling there is testimony to that.
69 weeks has passed, 1 week to go, 7 years, the time that God causes all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom, and brings Israel to the truth.
Israel blinded in part, accepts Old Testament for the majority, but not the New, until salvation no longer available to the Gentiles, and so all Israel shall be saved.
New age movement interpretation of the Bible, based on the occult, and evolution, and interprets all religions that way, and the time will come that they will not endure sound doctrine, but want to hear the Bible according to their own lusts, evolving through nature to be greater, and spiritual.
New age movement is the future for this sinful world, and the beginning of the end for the wicked, and will pave the way to the beast kingdom.
Paul said the saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first which is at the end of the first three and one half years, when the transgressors are come to the full, which is the condition of the world in response to the Gospel, which they hindered it from being preached, for they say it is not truth, and a hate crime, and going against their peace plan, and the man of sin claims to be God to the world, then the saints can be gathered unto Christ.
But the beast makes war against the saints, and they are given in to his hands for three and one half years.
New Age Christ will establish peace in the Middle East, all Jews will go to Israel, Jews will go back to animal sacrifices, and split Jerusalem with the Palestinians.
The nations will come together and try to establish peace on earth.
The world split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, new age movement unified religious system, with all religions included interpreted by them as being the truth.
Repentance, and salvation are still offered during the first three and one half years.
The 10 horn kingdom failed at obtaining peace because of a terrible war where one third of the world perishes, and they accept the man of sin as the solution to have peace.
When they take the mark of the beast repentance, and salvation no longer offered, and the fulness of the Gentiles have come in, and then God will turn Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.
Israel is protected for the 7 years period from physical attack, war.
At the end of the last three and one half years Israel as a nation are in the truth, and the saints that remain alive on earth is gathered unto Christ.
Which the Bible says that there are souls in heaven that ask Jesus when He will avenge them, and He said when the saints are with them that come out of tribulation.
God's wrath is poured upon the world, and the world attacks Jerusalem, the Jews, and Jesus comes back with all the saints, and defeats the world, and saves Israel.
It cannot be a pre-7 years resurrection.
Repentance, and salvation are still available to the world for the first three and one half years, so the saints will remain on earth to represent the truth.
Paul said when they say Peace and safety that the saints will not be deceived by it knowing it is not the operation of God, and when they say Peace and safety it starts the 7 years period, and the saints are on earth.
Which Jesus said He will deliver the saints in the truth from the temptation that shall come upon all the world, to try all them that dwell on earth, which there can only be one temptation that can come upon the whole world at the same time, when they say Peace and safety, for will they get with God, or follow the world, and will the hypocrites stay with God and get right, or will they follow the world.
Which multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision, for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
Also in Daniel when they shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people then all things are finished, which is for three and one half years, the last half, and then shall come the end when the Son shall deliver up the kingdom to the Father, when He shall put down all rule, authority, and power.
As soon as the resurrection happens Jesus is right on them pronto to put them down, but if it is pre-7 years period why do they continue for 7 years which they would not.
Jesus does not put them down until the 7 years period is done, so the resurrection is at the end of the 7 years, for as soon as the saints are gathered unto Christ He goes right against them pronto.
So it is not a pre-7 years, for the saints are on earth when the nations come together, and it starts the 7 years period, and repentance, and salvation are still available to the world, and Jesus does not put the world down until at the end of the 7 years period, and as soon as the resurrection happens He goes right after them, so that is when the saints are resurrected.
Some say that the saints will not go through the 7 years tribulation period, but the tribulation period is the last three and one half years, and the tribulation is not for the world, but for the saints.
Some say that because they think God's wrath is in the 7 years period, but it is not.
God is allowing the world to have their way for the 7 years period to rebel against Him, and persecute the truth, so He will not go against them until the 7 years period is done.
Repentance, and salvation is still available for the first three and one half years, so God will not go against them at that time.
And the beast has power to continue for three and one half years, after he claims to be God in the middle of the 7 years period, and he has power to rule over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, which he can only have that power if God allows him to rule, so God will not go against them at that time.
And the trumpets is not the wrath of God, but they are troubles, disasters, so that the world will turn to God, and at the end of the 6th trumpet God said the world will still not repent of their sins, and turn to Him, so He gives them the man of sin to rule over them.
In other words despite the problems that occur on earth, and terrible situations, the world will not turn to God as the solution for peace, but keep trying to achieve peace by their own efforts.
An example is WW1, set up League of Nations to try to work in the world to solve their problems, did not turn to God, WW2, set up United Nations, did not turn to God, and that pattern will continue until WW3, Islam against the world, the 6th trumpet, did not turn to God, but accepted the New Age Christ as the solution to have peace, so God allows them to be deceived by him.
The gathering of the saints unto Christ will happen at the end of the 7 years period, and then the wrath of God against the world, and then the battle of Armageddon where Jesus defeats the world, and saves Israel, and then the millennial reign as Jesus fulfills the role of perfect King on earth, and then the law is fulfilled, and heaven and earth shall pass away, and a new heaven, and earth, where sin has never been, and sin will never be, and the angels, and saints shall not remember anything prior to that, nor shall it come to mind, for the old heaven and earth is associated with sin, and rebellion.