PRE- MID- POST TRIBULATION.... JESUS RETURN TO EARTH FOR HIS BRIDE!

[dcontroversal]

Two comings not one. Very clearly. One secretly in comfort to the Church, the latter one overtly in terrible wrath for those on the earth.

False.......

 

[dcontroversal]

Rev 3:10

"Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth. "

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/3-10.htm

Yep....protect, guard from loss or harm, NOT REMOVE.....and it you buy what you are peddling what about the other 6 churches and those not faithful.......

Another fallacy of the imminent returners....take this verse so fqr out of context to peddle not only a false imminent return but also a split rapture by default

 

[PennEd]

umm no ...I see the Jude putting in remembrance and giving examples of how God destroyed those who did evil in sequence .. those who did not believe that came out of Egypt, the angels that left their first estate and another example Sodom and Gomorrha

Well this is why I call it an explainable, not a debatable issue for me any longer. I mean you can believe whatever you'd like. The grammar is right there in Jude.

 

[cv5]

Yep....protect, guard from loss or harm, NOT REMOVE.....and it you buy what you are peddling what about the other 6 churches and those not faithful.......

Another fallacy of the imminent returners....take this verse so fqr out of context to peddle not only a false imminent return but also a split rapture by default

kereso ek tes

keep you out of

The Church will be physically removed. Very clear.

 

[cv5]

6 And the angels who did not keep their [c]proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; 7 AS Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them IN A SIMILAR MANNER to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the [d]vengeance of eternal fire.

Can you not see Jude is tying the sexual sin of the Sodomites going after strange flesh to how the Angels went after strange (or foreign, unnatural) flesh?

I cannot understand the failure to accept this clear teaching. Yes Angels, yes sexual deviation by them. Indisputable.

 

[dcontroversal]

kereso ek tes

keep you out of

The Church will be physically removed. Very clear.

Wrong and that is not what is being said regardless of the personal twist.....thenword means to guard, protect from loss or harm...NOT REMOVE AND YOUR POSITION = Split rapture as your whole premise is built on Faithful....nice try....not happening

 

[cv5]

If we take Jesus at his word, the Philadelphians would be kept from the 1st century "great" tribulation.

(Rev 3:10 “Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.)

You think that was the GT? Stay tuned you are in for quite a shock.

 

[dcontroversal]

The word means to protect or guard NOT REMOVE........and the translation of KEEP is directed and BEING KEPT SAFE DURING THAT PERIOD....you guys that think you are Greek scholars are hilarious.....and by DEFAULT you peddle a false split rapture....

Answer the question.....this word is directed at those that have been faithful....What about the UNFAITHFUL BELIEVERS? <--THAT is the hole in your belief....if it means remove then the unfaithful MISS the rapture.....if it means GUARD OR PROTECT DURING it means the FAITHFUL are the ones that are ALIVE AND REMAIN amd that is what your false view fails to understand.

téreó: to watch over, to guard
Original Word: τηρέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: téreó
Phonetic Spelling: (tay-reh'-o)
Definition: to watch over, to guard
Usage: I keep, guard, observe, watch over.

 

[dcontroversal]

Well this is why I call it an explainable, not a debatable issue for me any longer. I mean you can believe whatever you'd like. The grammar is right there in Jude.

I agree.....the connataion is sexual and the key phrase is "going after strange flesh" <---this phrase speaks volumes

 

[cv5]

Wrong and that is not what is being said regardless of the personal twist.....thenword means to guard, protect from loss or harm...NOT REMOVE AND YOUR POSITION = Split rapture as your whole premise is built on Faithful....nice try....not happening

Physical removal.
Christ is crystal clear in John 14.

"In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also."

 

[dcontroversal]

Physical removal.
Christ is crystal clear in John 14.

"In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also."

Hahahahahahahhah that has nothing to do with timing...wow man.....you know better than that crap.....

 

[cv5]

The word means to protect or guard NOT REMOVE........and the translation of KEEP is directed and BEING KEPT SAFE DURING THAT PERIOD....you guys that think you are Greek scholars are hilarious.....and by DEFAULT you peddle a false split rapture....

Answer the question.....this word is directed at those that have been faithful....What about the UNFAITHFUL BELIEVERS? <--THAT is the hole in your belief....if it means remove then the unfaithful MISS the rapture.....if it means GUARD OR PROTECT DURING it means the FAITHFUL are the ones that are ALIVE AND REMAIN amd that is what your false view fails to understand.

téreó: to watch over, to guard
Original Word: τηρέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: téreó
Phonetic Spelling: (tay-reh'-o)
Definition: to watch over, to guard
Usage: I keep, guard, observe, watch over.

ek tes

The word means to protect or guard NOT REMOVE........and the translation of KEEP is directed and BEING KEPT SAFE DURING THAT PERIOD....you guys that think you are Greek scholars are hilarious.....and by DEFAULT you peddle a false split rapture....

Answer the question.....this word is directed at those that have been faithful....What about the UNFAITHFUL BELIEVERS? <--THAT is the hole in your belief....if it means remove then the unfaithful MISS the rapture.....if it means GUARD OR PROTECT DURING it means the FAITHFUL are the ones that are ALIVE AND REMAIN amd that is what your false view fails to understand.

téreó: to watch over, to guard
Original Word: τηρέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: téreó
Phonetic Spelling: (tay-reh'-o)
Definition: to watch over, to guard
Usage: I keep, guard, observe, watch over.

https://biblehub.com/greek/1537.htm

Out of.... spatially. No longer in proximity.

 

[dcontroversal]

You imminent returners asnwer the question.....if the word KEEP MEANS REMOVE AND is applied to the faithful and they get removed, what happens to the UNFAITHFUL OR NOT SO FAITHFUL BELIEVERS?

BY DEFAULT you peddle a split rapture....PAUL SAID THE DEAD in Christ rise and WE WHICH ARE REMAIN = ALL THE SAVED......so jive that with your belief that the word KEEP means remove and the context clearly aims it at the faithful!!

Yep...The bible does not teach a split rapture...so REMOVE cannot be what it means

 

[dcontroversal]

ek tes

https://biblehub.com/greek/1537.htm

Out of.... spatially. No longer in proximity.

Wrong again.....protecting or guarding someone DOES KEEP THEM OUT OF IT.....nice to know you peddle a split rapture....

 

[dcontroversal]

Still waiting on the imminent returners to explain.....here will make is simple

Your view

Keep means remove and is applied to faithful

This means the unfaithful MISS the "rapture" and are left behind


Please show me a split rapture in the bible which is what you believe and peddle.

Paul said THE DEAD in Christ rise and WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN SHALL BE CHANGED = ALL THE SAVED

KEEP CANNOT MEAN REMOVE which equates to a SPLIT RAPTURE.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I cannot understand the failure to accept this clear teaching. Yes Angels, yes sexual deviation by them. Indisputable.

Agreed. The problem is that the sinning angels hijacked this thread.

 

[dcontroversal]

Agreed. The problem is that the sinning angels hijacked this thread.

And you determine who is sinning and who is not?

Kinda sounds like....YOU THAT ARE WITHOUT SIN cast the first stone!!!

 

[cv5]

Still waiting on the imminent returners to explain.....here will make is simple

Your view

Keep means remove and is applied to faithful

This means the unfaithful MISS the "rapture" and are left behind


Please show me a split rapture in the bible which is what you believe and peddle.

Paul said THE DEAD in Christ rise and WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN SHALL BE CHANGED = ALL THE SAVED

KEEP CANNOT MEAN REMOVE which equates to a SPLIT RAPTURE.

No split rapture. All true believers are saved from the hour of wrath.
Israel goes thru the time of testing and some survive. Then they call upon Jesus and repent. Jesus comes and destroys Israels enemies. Millennium begins.

 

[dcontroversal]

No split rapture. All true believers are saved from the hour of wrath.
Israel goes thru the time of testing and some survive. Then they call upon Jesus and repent. Jesus comes and destroys Israels enemies. Millennium begins.

Not what you just said....you said the word KEEP MEANS REMOVE and it is applied unto the faithful so..
if only the faithful are removed then the unfaithful are left by what you indicate.....no...indeed you do peddle a split rapture....

 

[cv5]

Not what you just said....you said the word KEEP MEANS REMOVE and it is applied unto the faithful so..
if only the faithful are removed then the unfaithful are left by what you indicate.....no...indeed you do peddle a split rapture....

Nope. I never even heard of the term split rapture until today.
Think Church Saints vs tribulation Saints.
Nobody gets left behind. Quite impossible.