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Scriptures says The natural body does not change.
Which means when the natural body dies a spiritual death it keeps living with with spiritual death.
Theese are the words of jesus spoken for ye, as ye may have not understood.
Spiritual death is living in side of the natural body. As spiritual nature does not die unless God destroys it.
So mans spiritual nature is living with death inside his natural body.
As the natural body does not change.
It is sown perishable now because it has lived with death since the fall.
All Tho it is sown perishable it is still sown with a spiritual body, but not the same spiritual body it had before the fall, it is sown with spiritual body after the fall, as the natural body doest change.
Your earthly father Adams spiritual body suffered, because after his fall his spiritual body started to live with death.
Then so would his children, as the natural body is now sown perishable.
His human nature is his natural body created by God.
His human nature was made spiritualy alive by God.
His spiritual nature now lives with death untill its made alive again in Christ again
As a consequence your human nature suffers but it is still alive
So Adam was once saved
Which means when the natural body dies a spiritual death it keeps living with with spiritual death.
Theese are the words of jesus spoken for ye, as ye may have not understood.
Spiritual death is living in side of the natural body. As spiritual nature does not die unless God destroys it.
So mans spiritual nature is living with death inside his natural body.
As the natural body does not change.
It is sown perishable now because it has lived with death since the fall.
All Tho it is sown perishable it is still sown with a spiritual body, but not the same spiritual body it had before the fall, it is sown with spiritual body after the fall, as the natural body doest change.
Your earthly father Adams spiritual body suffered, because after his fall his spiritual body started to live with death.
Then so would his children, as the natural body is now sown perishable.
His human nature is his natural body created by God.
His human nature was made spiritualy alive by God.
His spiritual nature now lives with death untill its made alive again in Christ again
As a consequence your human nature suffers but it is still alive
So Adam was once saved
Yes, some of those who teach, talk a good talk, but do not walk a good walk. We must talk a good talk, but also walk a good walk. Actions speak louder than words.
The remnant are the ones who find the strait gate. Zeph 3:11-13, the rest of spiritual Israel were blinded, by God, to know the truth
and are those that go into the wide gate.
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This is not repentance, going back two months to respond to something rather than addressing this:
Hello, Paul, yes, for instance, your stance on how people should stick to what the
Bible actually says, compared to a very recent post where (here <= link) you said,
God is not going to lobotomise us so we cannot remember anything bad. What will happen
is that we will be able to see it from other have perspectives that convert all the evil we
have known into valuable wisdom that we can use to inform our future decisions.
Mind you, that is just one instance where you have gone well beyond what the Bible says...
Hello, Paul, yes, for instance, your stance on how people should stick to what the
Bible actually says, compared to a very recent post where (here <= link) you said,
God is not going to lobotomise us so we cannot remember anything bad. What will happen
is that we will be able to see it from other have perspectives that convert all the evil we
have known into valuable wisdom that we can use to inform our future decisions.
Mind you, that is just one instance where you have gone well beyond what the Bible says...
The promise is for all.
Scripture says the promise is for the far of and your children.
Everybody is born in a fallen state so there all under the promise.
The Israelites are no different to the gentiles. There born in a fallen state and all are spiritualy blind.
The remnants likely refers to only a small amount of people will amend there life by surrendering to the will of the father.
It's not complicated.
Scripture says the promise is for the far of and your children.
Everybody is born in a fallen state so there all under the promise.
The Israelites are no different to the gentiles. There born in a fallen state and all are spiritualy blind.
The remnants likely refers to only a small amount of people will amend there life by surrendering to the will of the father.
It's not complicated.
Won't need that for our future decisions after God eliminates the need to solve such problems that will not longer exist to be dealt with.
And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men,
and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them
and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more
death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
Revelation 21:3-4
And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men,
and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them
and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more
death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
Revelation 21:3-4
Here is the exchange:
Genez said:
If what you say were true?
The Adam would forever be knowing good and evil.
But, in eternity, after all the lORD's enemies have been put away... that would become a false statement.
I said -
God is not going to lobotomise us so we cannot remember anything bad. What will happen is that we will be able to see it from other have perspectives that convert all the evil we have known into valuable wisdom that we can use to inform our future decisions.
There is absolutely no biblical warrant for the idea that God will wipe memories of unpleasant events. Nowhere in scripture does He do that. In fact he exhorts people to remember past events, both pleasant and traumatic. What God does is give us perspectives on what was awful that transforms evil into wisdom-gaining. Look at Joseph sold into slavery by His brothers, for instance, and the perspective God gives Joseph to salve the pain of the event. I think my answer was within the revelation of scripture. Is there a ext that teaches God wipes memories?
Genez said:
If what you say were true?
The Adam would forever be knowing good and evil.
But, in eternity, after all the lORD's enemies have been put away... that would become a false statement.
I said -
God is not going to lobotomise us so we cannot remember anything bad. What will happen is that we will be able to see it from other have perspectives that convert all the evil we have known into valuable wisdom that we can use to inform our future decisions.
There is absolutely no biblical warrant for the idea that God will wipe memories of unpleasant events. Nowhere in scripture does He do that. In fact he exhorts people to remember past events, both pleasant and traumatic. What God does is give us perspectives on what was awful that transforms evil into wisdom-gaining. Look at Joseph sold into slavery by His brothers, for instance, and the perspective God gives Joseph to salve the pain of the event. I think my answer was within the revelation of scripture. Is there a ext that teaches God wipes memories?
That was just one example... and the view from eternity was in view, not this lifetime. There are no
Scriptures that say our present life experiences will be transformed into wisdom in the age to come.
There is also no Scripture that says Adam ate from the Tree of Life. To think he did goes against what is actually said.
It appears you do not really have a sincere desire to repent of going beyond what Scripture says while wishing others stuck to it.
Scriptures that say our present life experiences will be transformed into wisdom in the age to come.
There is also no Scripture that says Adam ate from the Tree of Life. To think he did goes against what is actually said.
It appears you do not really have a sincere desire to repent of going beyond what Scripture says while wishing others stuck to it.
There is no scripture that says he was not eating from the tree of life before eating the forbidden fruit, so your thinking that He didn't goes against what scripture actually said. I didn't say Adam did eat. I only pointed out that he could have eaten previously from the tree of life. I was countering an argument that relied on assuming that Adam didn't.
in nature man still has nature that is of God, this is his human nature.
Which was spiritualy alive before the fall. Or call it born again.
Because when ye are born again ye are made spiritualy alive
Which means the human nature you have is cleansed of spiritual death, that your human nature was experiencing whilst unsaved.
Your human nature is still alive to God but the spiritual nature of human nature is alive to death.
This is why ye must be born again..
What your not understanding to be born again means you where already born once with spirit.
Spirit does not die.
What happens is spirit become controlled by death ie Adam.
This is why ye are sown perishable
Which was spiritualy alive before the fall. Or call it born again.
Because when ye are born again ye are made spiritualy alive
Which means the human nature you have is cleansed of spiritual death, that your human nature was experiencing whilst unsaved.
Your human nature is still alive to God but the spiritual nature of human nature is alive to death.
This is why ye must be born again..
What your not understanding to be born again means you where already born once with spirit.
Spirit does not die.
What happens is spirit become controlled by death ie Adam.
This is why ye are sown perishable