Predestination is misunderstood...
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Pardon my tardy reply, please, as I had a nap and am now eating dinner .
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Free will: is the natural man free to choose God, or is his will constrained by his nature,
which is in opposition to God, being His enemy and hostile in his mind toward Him?
. Free will: is the natural man free to choose God, or is his will constrained by his nature,
which is in opposition to God, being His enemy and hostile in his mind toward Him?
I bought a vehicle the other day. I easily qualified for the loan. But that probably wasn't true of every vehicle on the lot. A combination of my income and credit history would not qualify me for certain vehicles. So while I had the freedom to purchase a vehicle, I wasn't free to purchase any vehicle.
If one were to go to the salvation store, they would be free to purchase a Bible, get a couple of books, maybe light a candle, or do any of a number of things. But no one would ever qualify for salvation. And no one could pay salvation's price.
Now the guy who owns the car lot could have given me the most expensive vehicle. He chose not to. That was his choice to make. And so it is in the salvation store operates similarly.
Personally, I've always done better at the salvation store.
[not sure if this is your point, but...]
How can one have "life" before they have "the Son"?
"He that hath the son hath life"
It sounds like you are saying "life... BEFORE life". [??]
"He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life." - I John 5:12
[ Jhn 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."]
How can one have "life" before they have "the Son"?
"He that hath the son hath life"
It sounds like you are saying "life... BEFORE life". [??]
"He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life." - I John 5:12
[ Jhn 3:36 - He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."]
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Jesus said to the thief on the cross tonight you will join me in paradise.
Think about this.
Why should the thief go straight to heaven when the saints where waiting to be resurrected.
He must have been talking about the place where the saints where, the ones who came out of the tomb stone.
Why should the spirit of Jesus not already be in paradise, before he died on the cross
God is everywhere.
When you understand this, it unlocks the whole bible, my super duper friend.
And it shows you you can be saved by faith before being saved by salvation.
Think about this.
Why should the thief go straight to heaven when the saints where waiting to be resurrected.
He must have been talking about the place where the saints where, the ones who came out of the tomb stone.
Why should the spirit of Jesus not already be in paradise, before he died on the cross
God is everywhere.
When you understand this, it unlocks the whole bible, my super duper friend.
And it shows you you can be saved by faith before being saved by salvation.
But this wasn't my point.
I'm asking... before one has "the Son" (that's all of us before we're saved), how does one "have LIFE" as you seem to be suggesting (when you say, "made ALIVE first" as in, prior to)?
["He that hath the Son hath life" - per 1 John 5:12a (not prior to that)]
I'm asking... before one has "the Son" (that's all of us before we're saved), how does one "have LIFE" as you seem to be suggesting (when you say, "made ALIVE first" as in, prior to)?
["He that hath the Son hath life" - per 1 John 5:12a (not prior to that)]
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Ephesians 2:4-7
Post #1110 (plz read the first part of my post there carefully): https://christianchat.com/threads/predestination-is-misunderstood.214056/post-5249470
I endeavored to lay out in that post what vv.4-7 is addressing (about the "believer"--"by grace YE ARE having-been saved [perfect participle]" speaking of those who BELIEVE... what is true of them [positionally], just the same as in Col2:13!)