Predestination or free will?
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It is true, we don't sin any loner willfully. We sin passively, and we repent immediately.
We will struggle with this corrupt body of death until we receive our glorified bodies. the main thing is we don't give ourselves over to a life of sin, we at war against sin all the time. The Holy Spirit always gives us victory over all of our sins, so they can't overtake us or consume us.
We will struggle with this corrupt body of death until we receive our glorified bodies. the main thing is we don't give ourselves over to a life of sin, we at war against sin all the time. The Holy Spirit always gives us victory over all of our sins, so they can't overtake us or consume us.
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Jesus disagrees,
We all sin and many times justify it. It's in out nature. If we could be perfect then Jesus died for nothin.
Matt 5 has lists of examples, here is a sample.
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
We all sin and many times justify it. It's in out nature. If we could be perfect then Jesus died for nothin.
Matt 5 has lists of examples, here is a sample.
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.
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A Calvinist dies and goes to Heaven.
He sees two doors. One is labeled free will, and the other is predestination. He walks through the predestination door and an angel asks him why he was here. The Calvanist replies, "I saw this door and decided to walk through it." The angel replies, "You can't be here, you chose this."
Dejected, he goes into the other door. Its angel asks him why he was here.
He replies, "I had no choice"
He sees two doors. One is labeled free will, and the other is predestination. He walks through the predestination door and an angel asks him why he was here. The Calvanist replies, "I saw this door and decided to walk through it." The angel replies, "You can't be here, you chose this."
Dejected, he goes into the other door. Its angel asks him why he was here.
He replies, "I had no choice"
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i have often thought, that everything i've done according to my own will and choices has been vanity and evil, but everything that God has done in and through me, according to His will and His purpose, has been virtue, and goodness.
the will that is present in me that wills what is right is not from me, but from Him.
in that sense my free will only gets me in trouble, but His predestination saves: Saul became Paul, and when he did, it was no longer Saul/Paul who lives, but Christ dwelling in him. Saul acted 'freely' according to Saul's will. Paul over and over described himself as a bondservant ((yes, "slave" is a fully justifiable translation)) of Christ.
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:
for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
(Romans 7:18)
(Romans 7:18)
the will that is present in me that wills what is right is not from me, but from Him.
in that sense my free will only gets me in trouble, but His predestination saves: Saul became Paul, and when he did, it was no longer Saul/Paul who lives, but Christ dwelling in him. Saul acted 'freely' according to Saul's will. Paul over and over described himself as a bondservant ((yes, "slave" is a fully justifiable translation)) of Christ.
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i think i see an overwhelming number of people look at their freewill as absolutely sacrosanct, as though the #1 absolute truth about which all other truths must revolve.
so much so that they are willing to conform their understanding of the nature of God if it conflicts with their freewill, but they are not willing to conform their understanding of their own free agency if it conflicts with the sovereignty of their Creator.
we are quicker to let go of the idea that God is over all things than the idea that man is master of his own destiny.
so much so that they are willing to conform their understanding of the nature of God if it conflicts with their freewill, but they are not willing to conform their understanding of their own free agency if it conflicts with the sovereignty of their Creator.
we are quicker to let go of the idea that God is over all things than the idea that man is master of his own destiny.
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