predestination vs freewill

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OIC1965

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Now i have to report your posts that you just wrote, that lied.

You need to think before you run to the report button to try to get a mod to save you.
I was very patient while you broke the rules numerous times. You are a flagrant violater.

Maybe I’m lucky and they won’t ban me for making a mistake and misreading you and afterward admitting I was wrong when you corrected me.:unsure:
 
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When did I say you lied.

You called me a liar several times, but I never called you a liar.

Not once.

Follow the rules, that’s all.
You accused me of saying there are 100 texts used to create.......

and that is not all.. that you lied about.... and you used these lies when talking to another member...so that made it worse.

So, i reported 3 of your lying accusation posts.....
Thats on you., as i would not have done this, but you reported being called a liar, when you have lied.
And what is even more ridiculous, is that you posted that you "reported" so that you brag about it on the forum.

I thought you were an adult.
My mistake.
 
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I was very patient while you broke the rules numerous times. You are a flagrant violater.

Maybe I’m lucky and they won’t ban me for making a mistake and misreading you and afterward admitting I was wrong when you corrected me.:unsure:
It's a little late to try to play that game.
 

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You accused me of saying there are 100 texts used to create.......

and that is not all.. that you lied about.... and you used these lies when talking to another member...so that made it worse.

So, i reported 3 of your lying accusation posts.....
Thats on you., as i would not have done this, but you reported being called a liar, when you have lied.
And what is even more ridiculous, is that you posted that you "reported" so that you brag about it on the forum.

I thought you were an adult.
My mistake.
They do not only read the reported posts, but also the context. And when you corrected me, I admitted my mistake. So if you have to be infallible, I guess I’ll be banned

You on the other hand have made numerous accusations with no basis.
 
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A great deal of the errors in Soteriology, it seems to me, is because that institution or person failed to see which verses are "Positional", in their subject matter and which are "Conditional".
God is always kept in perfect peace with His born again redeemed, = by the blood of Jesus.
This ETERNAL relationship He has with us, is not based on us, so, we can't end it by bad behavior, just like we didn't create it by good behavior.
If a person feels.....""""i need to confess sin so that i restore relationship with God".... then this is proof they believe that relationship to God is based on them and their behavior, and not on the Cross of Christ that is the only reason the relationship exists, in the first place.
 
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Personally, I take exception with the Calvinist and the Reformers, when it comes down to teaching that Justification is by our faith. .
Its based on Christ's Cross that God offers "Justification by Faith".
So, to receive what Christ accomplished on the Cross, you have to BELIEVE in Jesus...., and by this Faith, God applies Salvation to you, as "faith is accepted as righteousness" AS..>>"The Gift of Salvation", and "the Gift of Righteousness".

Abraham was justified by faith, and became "the Father of our faith".


God accepting faith to give you His very righteousness, is "the Gospel of the GRACE of God"
 

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So, i reported 3 of your lying accusation posts.....
“ lying” post 1. I admitted my mistake and apologized

“ lying” post 2. I changed my wording when you corrected me

Lying post 3. There was no lie in that post. I pulled up the quote where you said exactly what I said you said.
 
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The translators in King James's Court were all fluent in ancient Greek Latin and Hebrew, as were others before 1604, as well as many early church leaders that slso wrote/translated. Not many are qualified to critique their translations to Latin and English.
One of these Translators spoke 25 languages, fluently.
That's amazing.
 
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“ lying” post 1. I admitted my mistake and apologized
“ lying” post 2. I changed my wording when you corrected me
Lying post 3. There was no lie in that post. I pulled up the quote where you said exactly what I said you said.
Stop whining.
 

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Read carefully......

Slowly........

There are many many many Greek manuscripts, but about 30 are recognized as authentic, and about 3-4 are actually used to create english Bibles.
Let me explain this to you..............Look at the Canon Text.........you have slightly less then 40 epistle in the NT< but there are many other epistles, that are not used.......so, we dont consider what is not accepted.
So it is with Greek texts..

Also, i dont recall you saying "i read Greek", in a post.
did i miss it?
Can you post the number of the post where you said....."I can fluently READ Koine GREEK"???
Maybe i missed it.
“ Lie” number three was not a lie. Here is where you said what I claime you said. See post above.
 
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I do not believe that God would hinge his glory on the decision of a filthy sin ridden finite being.

If God created the Cross as ....>"as long as you dont mess up after i save you".....then that is the same Situation that Adam had when God told him not to do something...... "or else".

How is that Salvation?
How can Salvation be the gift of the Cross, if we are supposed to keep ourselves saved by trying to be accepted, by not doing something wrong?

The Gift of Salvation, is not a requirement.......its a GIFT.
You dont earn a gift.
And once you are born again, you are always born again.
 
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No man knows when the Holy Spirit quickens them but they know something has changed.
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Some people have a very very strong conversion moment.
My older brother had this when He was born again, which happened during a counseling session with a pastor, in the pastor's office.
They had talked a long time, and the pastor invited my brother to receive Christ as they were on their knees in the office.
My brother told me later ......>" when i got up, all was different.....I walked outside and the TREES LOOKED DIFFERENT".
So, that was drastic.
He was soon called to be a Pastor.

Others, dont have any particular notable experience when they Give their Heart to Jesus, and Faith to God, yet, 5 yrs later, 10, 20, they can look back on their lives and SEE all the moments of change and the evidence of God working in their lives and in their heart.

Typically, there is one situation that the born again all relate to, that happens.
= We become SIN Sensitive.
Notice that?
You trusted in Christ and then you noticed SIN......you see it, you are aware of it........ whereas before, you enjoyed it.
See that change?
Only God can cause that change in the heart and in the conscience.
That is the classic "born again" experience that is caused by the Holy Spirit becoming joined to your Spirit, that is connected to your conscience.
 
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+ Ezekiel 18
27But if a wicked man turns from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he will save his life. 28Because he considered and turned from all the transgressions he had committed, he will surely live; he will not die...

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yet, if you dont do this.......Jesus said....."you must be born again".....then you have repented of sin, but not of unbelief, and so, you are just as hell bound, as if you never turned from sin.

Salvation, is not you being good so that God will have you....>It God's goodness given to you , based on the Cross", that allows God to accept you and keep you.
 
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Here is the verse I believe he was referring too:

Eph_2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God afore prepared that we should walk in them.

This verse clearly states that we, believers, are God's workmanship. agreeing with Romans 9:18-23. That the believer's Good Works, were prepared before creation began.

Actually that is God defining how Christian Discipleship is designed to function, once you are "in Christ" having been born again, because you gave God your faith in Christ as He requires so that He can give you the new birth.
 
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Nothing we may do or not do will bring salvation. Salvation is entirely a gift, freely given by God to those whom He has chosen for such.

God does not choose you for salvaiton.
He offer Christ that you may choose to believe in Christ to then be "Justified by faith", so that God can give you the "new birth". (born again)
 
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You cannot believe that Paul as apostle was unable to do the good he intended to do but instead did evil he hated.
Then explain why born again Christians sin and confess.


ITs because they are trying to be good to be accepted by God based on commandment keeping, which means they are striving by willpower that puts them "under the law" and the Power of sin is the Law.

So, to stop sinning, you have to do as Paul did........You have to realize who you are "in Christ" and from this renewed mind, you find the Grace of God as real faith, and THAT is when this happens......"" Christ always gives me the Victory"

Victory over what? = "the flesh, the world, and the devil".
 

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407 says you studied Greek, it does not say you are able to speak it.
So, that's one lie.

Go ahead and post a few others.
When did I say I speak Greek. You asked if I can read it?

Nice Goalpost shift
 
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Yes their future actions have already been factored in. God knows the past, present, and future. So He knows all of the sins that we are going to commit in our entire lifetime.

Here is something to know.

On the day that God saved you, through the blood and death of Jesus......>>God knew that instant of all the sins you would commit after He saved you.........and He saved you anyway.

why?

Because God knows that the Sacrifice of Christ, is the power of the BLood, that is an eternal sacrifice.
That means it keeps on making you RIGHTEOUS, for eternity.

Notice this verse......."where sin abounds, GRACE more abounds'.

Let me paraphrase........when you mess up, you have the Blood of Jesus that forgave all you sin already, 2000 yrs ago, on the Cross.