@greenonions, you seem like a diligent student - have you reviewed this link yet?:
God's Great Grace Departure!
Amen.
God's Great Grace Departure!
Amen.
Preparation for the tribulation.
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I apologize for the bad link - Corrected: God's Great Grace Departure!
or these:
Evidence for the Pre-Tribulation Rapture (K Lawson)
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Will The Body Of Christ Go Through The Great Tribulation? (CR Stam)
or these:
Evidence for the Pre-Tribulation Rapture (K Lawson)
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Will The Body Of Christ Go Through The Great Tribulation? (CR Stam)
I'm not sure what you just said....
Anyway, we are to warn of what we do know and understand and how to get through the great tribulation. And that is all we can do, just as the prophets of old did. They warned, but they didn't become hostile towards those who didn't believe. They just left the consequences of their disbelief to God.
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1) Regarding killing people who will not worship the image of the beast in Revelation 13:15, my thought is that this only applies to people who are physically close to the image of the beast. So people who are geographically far away may not be killed. In any case, the woman flees from the dragon and is able to escape in Revelation 12:14, so the dragon and the beast have limits to whom they can kill. Moreover, Zechariah 14:4-5 indicates there are some people of God who will flee when Jesus comes. These people probably do not follow the beast and they are still alive enough to run.
2) Do you think Jesus comes as a thief for the rapture? If yes, then from Revelation 16:15, Jesus has will come for the rapture after the sixth bowl.
3) We can discuss more in the future.
2) Do you think Jesus comes as a thief for the rapture? If yes, then from Revelation 16:15, Jesus has will come for the rapture after the sixth bowl.
3) We can discuss more in the future.
Hi GRACE_Ambassador
I did notice an emphasis on the word Departure in all three of your links. I think you are referring to 2 Thessalonians 2:3, where "falling away" is instead interpreted to mean "departure". The word apostasia means "away" + "stand". It is used one other time in the Bible in Acts 21:21, where Paul was accused to teaching Jews to "forsake" Moses. For example, this Greek dictionary does not define apostasia as "departure": https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/apostasia
Regarding how God deals with Israel and the Church, do you think the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 is God dealing with Israel? If yes, notice that God is still dealing with the Church today. They don't need to be mutually exclusive in time.
Regarding an earth kingdom vs a heavenly kingdom, my hope is be in the New Jerusalem, which will come down from heaven (Rev. 21:2, 11) I assume it will be on the new earth. The New Jerusalem has foundations, which are normally underground. It is still a hope in heaven because the New Jerusalem is still in heaven for now. But it is also a kingdom on the new earth.
I did notice an emphasis on the word Departure in all three of your links. I think you are referring to 2 Thessalonians 2:3, where "falling away" is instead interpreted to mean "departure". The word apostasia means "away" + "stand". It is used one other time in the Bible in Acts 21:21, where Paul was accused to teaching Jews to "forsake" Moses. For example, this Greek dictionary does not define apostasia as "departure": https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/apostasia
Regarding how God deals with Israel and the Church, do you think the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 is God dealing with Israel? If yes, notice that God is still dealing with the Church today. They don't need to be mutually exclusive in time.
Regarding an earth kingdom vs a heavenly kingdom, my hope is be in the New Jerusalem, which will come down from heaven (Rev. 21:2, 11) I assume it will be on the new earth. The New Jerusalem has foundations, which are normally underground. It is still a hope in heaven because the New Jerusalem is still in heaven for now. But it is also a kingdom on the new earth.
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Ok, i meant if someone warns in this way that he claims that his view is the one and only right view, and all others going wrong, then it may be correct. If it the truth.
But in the case of the echatologie - the teaching about the future things to come.
There nobody can say 100 % he is right in his claiming and all others going wrong.
So I am not a false teacher if I believe in pre trib. You are not a false teacher if you belive that the church will go throug the tribulation. There are bible verses and arguments which feed both. So honestly to say. We don't know it realy! And it makes no sense to argue/quarrel about it.
But in the case of the echatologie - the teaching about the future things to come.
There nobody can say 100 % he is right in his claiming and all others going wrong.
So I am not a false teacher if I believe in pre trib. You are not a false teacher if you belive that the church will go throug the tribulation. There are bible verses and arguments which feed both. So honestly to say. We don't know it realy! And it makes no sense to argue/quarrel about it.
Chuckle!!! There's no "Fence" at all - only the imaginary one you've built out of your conept of "Eschatology" (which is only a religious word for "Rank Speculation").
You have NO IDEA what the sequence of the "End time" will be, or when they'll occur. Neither do I, but I'll probably have physically died by that time, unless everything starts tomorrow afternoon (chuckle)!!!
You have NO IDEA what the sequence of the "End time" will be, or when they'll occur. Neither do I, but I'll probably have physically died by that time, unless everything starts tomorrow afternoon (chuckle)!!!
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