pretribulationalist?

[peterT]

Umm not it doesnt. ''If'' they fall away, certainly doesnt mean ''it is impossible'' to fall away

Thanks 4runner.

 

[peterT]

Talk about someone being delusioned.

Hebrews actually states it is IMPOSSIBLE TO FALL AWAY. Saying it is possible is to mock Christ. because Christ would be forced to come back and be crucified again for the sin that caused them to lose their salvation. Thus this false belief that one could fall away puts christ to open shame because the false belief states his work on the cross was not efficient or complete.

Matt 10: 22 talks about those in the final days of tribulation. It is not talking about spiritual life, but physical life. If you endure to the end without being killed, Executed, or whatever, You will be saved, and enter the kingdom. All others will be killed when Christ returns at the final battle.

Hebrews 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Hebrews 3:6But CHRIST as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take THY crown.

You must be a pre-triber believing in a resurrection that doesn’t exist

“Talk about someone being delusioned.”

 

[peterT]

Talk about someone being delusioned.

Hebrews actually states it is IMPOSSIBLE TO FALL AWAY. Saying it is possible is to mock Christ. because Christ would be forced to come back and be crucified again for the sin that caused them to lose their salvation. Thus this false belief that one could fall away puts christ to open shame because the false belief states his work on the cross was not efficient or complete.

Matt 10: 22 talks about those in the final days of tribulation. It is not talking about spiritual life, but physical life. If you endure to the end without being killed, Executed, or whatever, You will be saved, and enter the kingdom. All others will be killed when Christ returns at the final battle.

Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

 

[peterT]

Talk about someone being delusioned.

Hebrews actually states it is IMPOSSIBLE TO FALL AWAY. Saying it is possible is to mock Christ. because Christ would be forced to come back and be crucified again for the sin that caused them to lose their salvation. Thus this false belief that one could fall away puts christ to open shame because the false belief states his work on the cross was not efficient or complete.

Matt 10: 22 talks about those in the final days of tribulation. It is not talking about spiritual life, but physical life. If you endure to the end without being killed, Executed, or whatever, You will be saved, and enter the kingdom. All others will be killed when Christ returns at the final battle.

Colossians 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Colossians 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and [be] not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

And? If you do not move from the gospel. whi9ch you heard. Which means you did not have faith in it in the first place. DOes the gospel change? Does it have bad news? A person who believes in God and eternity would never move from the faith. Only those who do not believe in God or eternity would. What does Johl call them? Antichrists. What does he say about their status in the church? "They were NEVER a part of us"

Many people claim to believe, but they realy don't. These people will leave. Scripture is clear on this. it is also clear that they NEVER were saved.

You have hook line and sinker been tricked by satan int believing a false gospel of works.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Romans 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Hebrews 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Paul is talking to the church. If God broke Isreal (A nation not an unduvidual jew) of because of their unbelief, He will break of a local churches branch also, if they turn from truth and start teaching a lie.

Hebrews is warningn about people who realy do not believe, He says they have un unbelieving heart. Hoew can someone with an unbelieving heart be saved?

Keep trying!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Umm not it doesnt. ''If'' they fall away, certainly doesnt mean ''it is impossible'' to fall away

You have not studied it very well have you.

It is impossible, If they fall away, to renew them again to repentance.

thus we have two possible scenarios.

1. If they could fall way, they could never be resaved again (renewed)'

2. They can't fall away, And even if they could, they could not get back

Hebrews is talking to jews who are trying to go back under law. According to the law. If one sinned, They have "fallen away" until a sacrifice is given to atone for their sin.

Hebrews is asking why they are going back to law. Christ died once to pay for all sin. Animal sacrifice has never taken away sin. If, Like under law. One could fall away, They could never be renewed. Why? CHrist would have to die again.

Nice try their 4 runner. But not only does language show you to be in error (I gaurantee you believe someone can fall away and return, you have said it many times. But you have ignored context of the whole passage and book of Hebrews!

 

[peterT]

Paul is talking to the church. If God broke Isreal (A nation not an unduvidual jew) of because of their unbelief, He will break of a local churches branch also, if they turn from truth and start teaching a lie.

Hebrews is warningn about people who realy do not believe, He says they have un unbelieving heart. Hoew can someone with an unbelieving heart be saved?

Keep trying!

Dos that include the invisible pre-trib doctrine lol
Twisting of the scripters keep trying eternally-gratefull

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dos that include the invisible pre-trib doctrine lol
Twisting of the scripters keep trying eternally-gratefull

Well if you can't get the interpretation of these scriptures right. why should we listen to you about when you believe the rapture will occur?

anyway. Those scripture are far more important than when the rapture will happen. What you believe about the rapture wont save you. But what Gospel you believe in will. I am more worried about this than when the rapture will come.

 

[peterT]

Well if you can't get the interpretation of these scriptures right. why should we listen to you about when you believe the rapture will occur?

anyway. Those scripture are far more important than when the rapture will happen. What you believe about the rapture wont save you. But what Gospel you believe in will. I am more worried about this than when the rapture will come.

You council to me will come to 0

Because everything you read you twist so you can see the invisible pre-trib rapture that does not exist .

So your council to me is no good.

Your not going to convince me to go back to sleep or stop me shouting from the roof tops about invisible pre-trib rapture that does not exist. It is a delusion and it’s your delusion not mine.

So your council to me is no good.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You council to me will come to 0

Because everything you read you twist so you can see the invisible pre-trib rapture that does not exist .

So your council to me is no good.

Your not going to convince me to go back to sleep or stop me shouting from the roof tops about invisible pre-trib rapture that does not exist. It is a delusion and it’s your delusion not mine.

So your council to me is no good.

Like I said. I could not care what you believe about when the rapture happens. Nor am I trying to convince you. It does not matter. Your salvation does not depend on it. But I am worried about your gospel. and how you interpreted those passages.

 

[peterT]

Like I said. I could not care what you believe about when the rapture happens. Nor am I trying to convince you. It does not matter. Your salvation does not depend on it. But I am worried about your gospel. and how you interpreted those passages.

I am worried about your gospel
Like I said your council to me is no good.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am worried about your gospel
Like I said your council to me is no good.

Nor is your counsel any good.

Don't worry about my gospel. My gospel depends on Christ and him alone. Not me. I will never be worthy of his love or his grace, even if I lived the rest of my life and never committed another sin. I would never be worthy.

I will also never call God an Indian giver. A deceiver. One who takes his gift back because someone did not earn it. Or that God is not omniscient enough to know a person asking for his love will never truly believe in him and walk away.

Not sure who this God is. But you can have him.

 

[peterT]

Nor is your counsel any good.

Don't worry about my gospel. My gospel depends on Christ and him alone. Not me. I will never be worthy of his love or his grace, even if I lived the rest of my life and never committed another sin. I would never be worthy.

I will also never call God an Indian giver. A deceiver. One who takes his gift back because someone did not earn it. Or that God is not omniscient enough to know a person asking for his love will never truly believe in him and walk away.

Not sure who this God is. But you can have him.

You can do me one favour if you like.

Walk a mile with me and show me your doctrine about the pre-trib

Matthew 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

 

[peterT]

Nor is your counsel any good.

Don't worry about my gospel. My gospel depends on Christ and him alone. Not me. I will never be worthy of his love or his grace, even if I lived the rest of my life and never committed another sin. I would never be worthy.

I will also never call God an Indian giver. A deceiver. One who takes his gift back because someone did not earn it. Or that God is not omniscient enough to know a person asking for his love will never truly believe in him and walk away.

Not sure who this God is. But you can have him.

Matthew 25:14 For [the kingdom of heaven is] as a man travelling into a far country, [who] called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made [them] other five talents.17 And likewise he that [had received] two, he also gained other two.18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.21 His lord said unto him, Well done, [thou] good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, [there] thou hast [that is] thine.26 His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and [then] at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give [it] unto him which hath ten talents.29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. 30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Once saved always saved???

Of course you can’t earn it but you shoer call lose it


"I will also never call God an Indian giver. A deceiver. One who takes his gift back because someone did not earn it"

See your council to me is no good.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Of course you can’t earn it but you shoer call lose it


"I will also never call God an Indian giver. A deceiver. One who takes his gift back because someone did not earn it"

See your council to me is no good.

You contradict yourself. You can't earn it. But you can loose it?

if you truly could not earn it. You could never lose it. Saying you can lose it is to say you did not do something which was required to keep it (earn it).

As for indian giver. If I offer people I hang out with a gift. and then later some want nothing to do with me. and I take the gift back. I am declared an indian giver. (not to mention it was never a gift. it was a payment for them to stay with me)
of course if I was God, and knew all things, I would have known who would not stay, but were only hanging out because they thought I had something to offer them. but when they realised I dind't they would leave. and only given the gift to those who really wanted to be near me.

sorry, twisting scripture does not make for a doctrine!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You can do me one favour if you like.

Walk a mile with me and show me your doctrine about the pre-trib

Matthew 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

I nev4er claimed I was pre-trib. I have not decided yet. Unlike you though. I can't count it out. You see no evidence. I see some.

 

[Adrianv125]

Peter, do you get paid to bash on pre tribbers? wow dude, imagine if you preached the gospel with the passion you have to bash on pre tribbers. instead of shouting on the rooftops that pre trib is false, or that salvation without tongues is impossible, or that salvation without baptism is impossible, then why not just preach that Jesus loves sinners and that He is the way, the truth and the life? Focus on the essentials man. Follow what matthew 28 says, don't fight with the disciples, GO AND PREPARE DISCIPLES!!!

 

[peterT]

Talk about someone being delusioned.

Hebrews actually states it is IMPOSSIBLE TO FALL AWAY. Saying it is possible is to mock Christ. because Christ would be forced to come back and be crucified again for the sin that caused them to lose their salvation. Thus this false belief that one could fall away puts christ to open shame because the false belief states his work on the cross was not efficient or complete.

Matt 10: 22 talks about those in the final days of tribulation. It is not talking about spiritual life, but physical life. If you endure to the end without being killed, Executed, or whatever, You will be saved, and enter the kingdom. All others will be killed when Christ returns at the final battle.

Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.

Jesus is the vine and we are the branches we are not some church branches.

This is a stern warning from Paul to take heed les he spared not THEE.me and you. For we are the branches and Jesus is the vine, not some church branches.

Twisting of the scripters keep trying eternally-gratefull

Mark 9: 43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

It’s you that twists the scripters, the bible speaks for its self.
So you haven’t made your mind up about the pre-trib post-trib NO.
What’s this then??
“Matt 10: 22 talks about those in the final days of tribulation. It is not talking about spiritual life, but physical life. If you endure to the end without being killed, Executed, or whatever, You will be saved, and enter the kingdom. All others will be killed when Christ returns at the final battle”.
This is pre-tribulation stuff. So you haven’t made your mind lol.


Matthew 24:13But he that shall ENDURE unto THE end, THE same shall be saved.

If you ENDURE unto THE end because it will be tuff, and don’t take the mark of the beast you will be saved.

If you get Executed, you will be saved.

If you die in your sleep you will be saved.

If you make it to the last day you will be saved.

Your interpretation sucks, you know why, because there is no PRE_TRIB RAPTURE It is a delusion.

 

[4runner]

You council to me will come to 0

Because everything you read you twist so you can see the invisible pre-trib rapture that does not exist .

So your council to me is no good.

Your not going to convince me to go back to sleep or stop me shouting from the roof tops about invisible pre-trib rapture that does not exist. It is a delusion and it’s your delusion not mine.

So your council to me is no good.

Amen, cry aloud bro, never keep your peace.