Pride goes before destruction

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3Scoreand10

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Jason0047 said:
Well, first, your statement here is not Biblical. You need to correct with the Word of God and not with some blind accusation. For...

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" (2 Timothy 3:16).

Second, you just admitted to attacking me like it is okay. Believers are not supposed to attack each other like they are a pack of wild animals. We are to love one another. That is the Christian way; And it is the way of Christ.
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I have no doubt you believe what you teach.
You believe your teaching agrees with the Word.
I, and many others believe that what you teach is hersey and does not agree with the word.
You believe our belief is evil and we believe your belief is evil.
You call us brother, while calling our belief evil, thus calling us evil.
 
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3Scoreand10 said:
I have no doubt you believe what you teach.
You believe your teaching agrees with the Word.
I, and many others believe that what you teach is hersey and does not agree with the word.
You believe our belief is evil and we believe your belief is evil.
You call us brother, while calling our belief evil, thus calling us evil.
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Paul said this about others teaching another gospel.

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:8).

Paul here is attacking the belief and not the person here. Paul made it a habit to primarily attack wrong beliefs and not the person. Yes, Paul called the Galatians foolish. Jesus said the Pharisees were a brood of vipers. But we must understand that Jesus is the Son of God and Paul was a man who had written most of the New Testament and did many great things in spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ. The way Jesus and Paul walked and talked was one out of love and goodness towards others. They did not set out to slander and attack others or poke fun at them and or to laugh at them.
 
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Jason0047 said:
If you believe in a sin and still be saved doctrine, then one is suffering for wrong doing because they are giving people a license to sin .
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Are you denying that you are talking about those of us who teach OSAS with this statement.
 
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Jason0047 said:
First, do you really want me to go thru this thread and point out people's inappropriate behavior? Do you really need me to show you that? Why do you think it does not exist? Do you need proof?

Second, do you believe I have set out to attack people on an individual basis here personally? If so, where did I do so? Please take note that this does not apply if somene has already judged me and I am pointing out their wrong behavior (towards me).

Third, it must also be taken into consideration that I do not call people names or slander them, either.
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I hope you don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.
 
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2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and (( abideth not )) in the doctrine of Christ, (( hath not )) God.
He that (( abideth in )) the doctrine of Christ, he (( hath both )) the Father and the Son.

2John 1:10 If there come (( any )) unto you, and bring not ((( this doctrine )) receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

2 John 1:11 For he that (( biddeth him )) God speed is (( partaker of )) his evil deeds.

Shows if one transgresses not abiding in the doctrine of Jesus Christ that they do not have God

Even Jesus no man comes to the Father but by me, so if anyone teaches you that you can have God and not abide in the doctrine of Jesus Christ (contrary to John) and bidding such God speed would also be partaking in what John calls his evil deeds


 
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3Scoreand10 said:
Are you denying that you are talking about those of us who teach OSAS with this statement.
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I have directed towards you and others (By the type of words you said), but you did not have to adhere to that belief if that is not the case. You can say, " I do not believe in a sin and still be saved doctrine."

I have talked with OSAS proponents in person and online that said that they can sin and still be saved. One guy told me he could mow down a crowd of people with a machine gun and be saved while doing so. I mean, just look at the thread I created with the poll. Many people had admitted to the belief that they can abide in sin unrepentant sin like lying, lusting after another, etc. and still be saved.

Now, that version of OSAS which believes one must live holy (or you were never born again to begin with) is a small minority group within the various different OSAS beliefs.
 
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Jason0047 said:
Second, do you believe I have set out to attack people on an individual basis here personally?
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Jason, if we OSAS believers had a nickle for every time you condemned us to hell, we could feed Ethiopia. You don't speak with hostility in your voice, but your words are literally damning.

You attack, friend. Make no mistake about it; you attack -- and we're not oblivious to it.
 
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Jason0047 said:
I have talked with OSAS proponents in person and online that said that they can sin and still be saved. One guy told me he could mow down a crowd of people with a machine gun and be saved while doing so. I mean, just look at the thread I created with the poll. Many people had admitted to the belief that they can abide in sin unrepentant sin like lying, lusting after another, etc. and still be saved.

Now, that version of OSAS which believes one must live holy (or you were never born again to begin with) is a small minority group within the various different OSAS beliefs.
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I would like to see some statistics on your assertion here because no one that I know advocates sinning with reckless abandon but all would admit to not being perfect. Why you're so hung up on this beyond me. It's like you gotta open and close the oven door 19 times and turn the light off and on 27 times and then count your steps to work and then twirl your pencil 18 times and then chew your candy bar 36 times for each bite. Is this an obsession for you Jason? It sure appears that way.
 
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Utah said:
Jason, if we OSAS believers had a nickle for every time you condemned us to hell, we could feed Ethiopia. You don't speak with hostility in your voice, but your words are literally damning.

You attack, friend. Make no mistake about it; you attack -- and we're not oblivious to it.
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I attack the belief and not the people. Therein lies the difference. If you hold to the belief that I condemn, then by all means I can see why you might take offense to it. But if I condemn a murderer.... am I wrong for doing so? No, of course not. Pointing out evil and sin is never wrong unless you are doing those evil's yourself or if you have no love in your heart to want to guide them to walking in the love of God. Are you saying you can sin and still be saved?
 
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I think this obsession with sin is unhealthy and certainly not godly.
 
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Sirk said:
I would like to see some statistics on your assertion here because no one that I know advocates sinning with reckless abandon but all would admit to not being perfect. Why you're so hung up on this beyond me. It's like you gotta open and close the oven door 19 times and turn the light off and on 27 times and then count your steps to work and then twirl your pencil 18 times and then chew your candy bar 36 times for each bite. Is this an obsession for you Jason? It sure appears that way.
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When the salvation of souls is at stake, what lengths would you go to help those to see the truth in God's Word?

As for the statistics: Do you really need proof that doing evil will not reap evil back upon a person?
 
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Jason0047 said:
I attack the belief and not the people. Therein lies the difference. If you hold to the belief that I condemn, then by all means I can see why you might take offense to it. But if I condemn a murderer.... am I wrong for doing so? No, of course not. Pointing out evil and sin is never wrong unless you are doing those evil's yourself or if you have no love in your heart to want to guide them to walking in the love of God. Are you saying you can sin and still be saved?
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You're attacking an imaginary monster...at least in the world I live in.
 
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psalm6819 said:
I think this obsession with sin is unhealthy and certainly not godly.
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Putting away sin is healthy because it is conforming to the image of Christ. Unless you do not want to walk in God's good ways.
 
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Sirk said:
You're attacking an imaginary monster...at least in the world I live in.
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Good. I don't want you to take my word for it. Instead seek the Scriptures (In prayer) to see whether those things be so or not. Be a good Berean and check the verses I have been putting forth with an open mind. For if the verses I have put forth are indeed condemning what you believe, then do you not owe it to yourself to see if it is true?
 
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Utah said:
Hey, I said that. Get in line! :p
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No, all glory goes to Jesus Christ. They do not hate me, but they hate Christ who is living in me. For God is seeking to correct wrong behavior and He is not out for people to condone sin or evil.
 
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Jason0047 said:
When the salvation of souls is at stake, what lengths would you go to help those to see the truth in God's Word?

As for the statistics: Do you really need proof that doing evil will not reap evil back upon a person?
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You can't just lump everyone together with blanket accusations man without backing it up dude. What you are essentially doing is saying that you ran into one black guy that was bad and now every black guy is bad. I realize this is probably beyond you and you'll come back with some excuse or rabbit hole argument but don't worry...it won't surprise me. You are beyond correcting because you aint got it in ya to see it any other way than you do. You have the exact profile of an abuser and you can't see the forest for the trees.
 
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Jason0047 said:
I have directed towards you and others (By the type of words you said), but you did not have to adhere to that belief if that is not the case. You can say, " I do not believe in a sin and still be saved doctrine."

I have talked with OSAS proponents in person and online that said that they can sin and still be saved. One guy told me he could mow down a crowd of people with a machine gun and be saved while doing so. I mean, just look at the thread I created with the poll. Many people had admitted to the belief that they can abide in sin unrepentant sin like lying, lusting after another, etc. and still be saved.

Now, that version of OSAS which believes one must live holy (or you were never born again to begin with) is a small minority group within the various different OSAS beliefs.
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Yes or no Jason, just a simple yes or no to my question.
Can you please do that just once in your life, and not avoid the simple question?
 
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Sirk said:
You can't just lump everyone together with blanket accusations man without backing it up dude. What you are essentially doing is saying that you ran into one black guy that was bad and now every black guy is bad. I realize this is probably beyond you and you'll come back with some excuse or rabbit hole argument but don't worry...it won't surprise me. You are beyond correcting because you aint got it in ya to see it any other way than you do. You have the exact profile of an abuser and you can't see the forest for the trees.
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Where did I abuse or attack someone personally? Again, I attack the doctrine and the false belief and I do not make it my mission to attack individuals.
 
Utah

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Jason0047 said:
I attack the belief and not the people. Therein lies the difference. If you hold to the belief that I condemn, then by all means I can see why you might take offense to it. But if I condemn a murderer.... am I wrong for doing so? No, of course not. Pointing out evil and sin is never wrong unless you are doing those evil's yourself or if you have no love in your heart to want to guide them to walking in the love of God. Are you saying you can sin and still be saved?
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You are a sinner, and by your own words above, you prove yourself to be one because you deny your sin.

Jason, what you fail to realize is that we OSAS folks only want what's best for you, and that is to rejoice in the saving grace of Jesus Christ. We get annoyed with you because the gift of God has been placed in your hand but you refuse to open the package because you are prideful.

Should you be attacked? Absolutely not, but sometimes people want to shake the you know what out of others in order to make them realize something. That's what takes place with you.
 
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