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It is hard to support something that may be in opposition to what the bible says. I don't know what I believe as to Chtistmas right now. I can find nothing in Scripture to counter the teaching in that video. I cannot stop thinking about it. Have you seen it? Like I said, I am not ready to be Hebrew Roots... But I am not ready to be a hypocrite either. I cannot teach what i am not sure is true.
My issue right now is holidays.
My issue right now is holidays.
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We don't have to look at what is wrong to know what is right. And if you are a pastor you should know that. Just as a bank teller knows a counterfeit bill not because they have studied every counterfeit, but because they have so acquainted themselves with the genuine, that they instantly know when what they have encountered is counterfeit.
If you are really a pastor, you have worse issues than holidays. And God help those you are supposed to be pastoring.
If you are really a pastor, you have worse issues than holidays. And God help those you are supposed to be pastoring.
God is Love,
we respect your questioning and desire to look into what this world has always
taught you, after all, this is a fallen world and satan rules here...
when we come to a place in our lives where we believe that we know it all and can never
grow or learn, then we indeed need Holy help, where all of Truth is found...,
keep searching Friend, and may our heavenly Father bless your efforts...
we respect your questioning and desire to look into what this world has always
taught you, after all, this is a fallen world and satan rules here...
when we come to a place in our lives where we believe that we know it all and can never
grow or learn, then we indeed need Holy help, where all of Truth is found...,
keep searching Friend, and may our heavenly Father bless your efforts...
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What? Thats what you got from that? More fishiness.
Here, go to this dear Sisters website and educate yourself on the truth, so that you will recognize error when you see it.
http://joyfullygrowingingrace.wordpress.com/
Here, go to this dear Sisters website and educate yourself on the truth, so that you will recognize error when you see it.
http://joyfullygrowingingrace.wordpress.com/
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I do not know if you are a pastor or not. If not you shouldn't say you are to further what you believe through deciet. That is not His way. If you are it is laudable that you want to be sure you are teaching the truth. I do not judge you either way.
If you are a pastor the responsible thing to do is bring your crisis of belief in your denominations statement of faith up to your church leadership so they can make other arrangements for a worship leader if they arent on the same page as you. If there s a member of your board on here I am sure they already know. I would also suggest you take a sabbatical if needed to figure out what you believe.
I am sure you will find the way.
That being said... Holidays are a place.any people begin to walk with the bible instead of Rome. Keep researching.
There are many of us that have shown the false belief that Christians must follow the law of Moses now that they belong to Christ in many threads.
Read any thread started by a former extreme Roots person that came on here to try to get people to follow the law of Moses and desert Christ for the law just like the Judaizers did to Paul's converts in Galatia. Paul didn't have very kind words for those Judaizers.
Look up threads by "disciplemike" and you will see that this anti-Christ belief system that says that "If we don't follow the law of Moses in observing the Sabbath day or feasts - then we are dis-obeying God an sinning" is refuted constantly by many people.
Christians will not commit spiritual adultery on their Lord Jesus Christ for living by the law of Moses now instead of Christ Himself.
We are dead to the law of Moses SO THAT we could be joined to Another - Christ Himself. Romans 7:1-6.
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You realize that you are saying the bible is wrong as that is the only thing any of have been looking at here.
Another point is that the other commenter should know "as a pastor" THE BIBLE. It is still taught at least in part in most seminaries. And should be the final word. After all it is HIS WORD. You sound just like the JGiG poster who has yet to respond to her discounting not only of much of the bible, but also to basic Christian teachings that even Evangelicals know to be true and teach, but she says are not in her job as servant to the doctrine of sin.
Another point is that the other commenter should know "as a pastor" THE BIBLE. It is still taught at least in part in most seminaries. And should be the final word. After all it is HIS WORD. You sound just like the JGiG poster who has yet to respond to her discounting not only of much of the bible, but also to basic Christian teachings that even Evangelicals know to be true and teach, but she says are not in her job as servant to the doctrine of sin.
If the Christian has died to the law of Moses, been released from the law of Moses and is not under the law of Moses anymore because we have died with Christ on the cross and been raised from the dead with Christ in His resurrection - how are we to live now? What will govern our lives now since we are in Christ?
We do have laws in the New Covenant. They are exciting laws that bring life and wholeness to us all - because these are all Christ Himself in us.
There is no greater revelation than to know Him and the Father and to plumb the depths of their love and grace towards us which Paul says in Eph. 2:7 - the Father will be doing for all the ages to come to us.
Ephesians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Jesus fulfilled the law. The law was a mere shadow of the real thing which was Jesus.
Read the law to see Jesus in it and to know that Jesus did that for us and His life in us now leads us in all things. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.
We now live by:
1) The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. ( Romans 8:2 )
2) The law of love ( Romans 13:10 James 2:8 )
3) The law of faith ( Romans 3:27 and the law of Moses is NOT of faith - Gal. 3:12 )
4) The law of liberty ( James 1:25 )
5) The law of Christ - which is Christ Himself in us. ( Gal. 6:2 )
For example: We don't need to "obey" Lev. 18:23 because the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus will stop us from wanting to have sex with animals.
We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to lead us in all affairs of life. We don't go back to the law of Moses that were a shadow of the real thing which is Christ in us.. Jesus is more then enough.
Yes...we glory in the laws that we have in the New Covenant because they are all Christ Himself living in and through us. ( Gal.2:20 and Col. 3:3 )
Galatians 5:22-23 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
We do have laws in the New Covenant. They are exciting laws that bring life and wholeness to us all - because these are all Christ Himself in us.
There is no greater revelation than to know Him and the Father and to plumb the depths of their love and grace towards us which Paul says in Eph. 2:7 - the Father will be doing for all the ages to come to us.
Ephesians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Jesus fulfilled the law. The law was a mere shadow of the real thing which was Jesus.
Read the law to see Jesus in it and to know that Jesus did that for us and His life in us now leads us in all things. Those who are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God.
We now live by:
1) The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. ( Romans 8:2 )
2) The law of love ( Romans 13:10 James 2:8 )
3) The law of faith ( Romans 3:27 and the law of Moses is NOT of faith - Gal. 3:12 )
4) The law of liberty ( James 1:25 )
5) The law of Christ - which is Christ Himself in us. ( Gal. 6:2 )
For example: We don't need to "obey" Lev. 18:23 because the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus will stop us from wanting to have sex with animals.
We can trust the Holy Spirit in us to lead us in all affairs of life. We don't go back to the law of Moses that were a shadow of the real thing which is Christ in us.. Jesus is more then enough.
Yes...we glory in the laws that we have in the New Covenant because they are all Christ Himself living in and through us. ( Gal.2:20 and Col. 3:3 )
Galatians 5:22-23 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
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I do not know this disciple mike. And I do not know of any other threads. But one thing is sure in this thread.... No one has given a single verse that disproved YHWH S WORD. Certainly not. Please give verses to prove your point. I would love to see them.
As far as your misuse of Judaiser again. I have ready shown your definition in error using scripture. Not some other person in another thread. Please afford me the same courtesy.
The biblical defintions of sin is what I have offered from the New Testament in 1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.
And neither you nor anyone else has offered me another verse that shows John to have been wrong. Do you know of one?
I believe your statement that following the Command of our Spiritual Husband to cease sinning by following HIS law (not Moses's law Moses taught what YHWH said he didn't make it up) so please back up your promotion of sin being what we should do with verses yourself instead of saying it has been refuted elsewhere.
As far as your misuse of Judaiser again. I have ready shown your definition in error using scripture. Not some other person in another thread. Please afford me the same courtesy.
The biblical defintions of sin is what I have offered from the New Testament in 1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.
And neither you nor anyone else has offered me another verse that shows John to have been wrong. Do you know of one?
I believe your statement that following the Command of our Spiritual Husband to cease sinning by following HIS law (not Moses's law Moses taught what YHWH said he didn't make it up) so please back up your promotion of sin being what we should do with verses yourself instead of saying it has been refuted elsewhere.
Christ is our Sabbath rest as Hebrews talks about. Jesus fulfilled the fulfilled the law of Moses. Christ's life in us fulfilled the requirement of the law.
Everything in the law is a mere shadow of the real substance which is Christ Himself.
Colossians 2:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—
[SUP]17 [/SUP] things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Paul who knew the law better then anyone had this to say about the purpose of the law.
The purpose of the law was :
1) To reveal our sinful state - Rom 3:20
2) To inflame sin - Rom 7:8
3) To minister death in us - Rom 7:10-11
4) To lead us to Christ - Gal 3:24
The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law! When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is how we live now, and the law of liberty in Christ Jesus and the law of love, the law of faith ( the Law is NOT of faith - the just shall live by faith ). The law of Christ - Himself is how we live now.
But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.
Christians are dead to the Law, been released from the Law and are NOT under the Law. It can't get any plainer than that.
People are free to do whatever they want in relation to the Law - it does not make one righteous nor is it for salvation.
If someone wants to observe a particular day , festivals or eat or not eat some kinds of foods..etc - then they are free to do so. These have no bearing on one's salvation or righteousness as all that is based on the finished work of Christ.
It's where people are saying "You must observe these things or do these things in the Law or you are not obeying God" - that's where the twisting comes in and it is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ.
This is an anti-Christ belief system religion which has the "appearance" of good but it is really denying the Lord Jesus Christ's finished work. Hebrews 4:10
I am not going to waste my time to continue to argue the law of Moses. Here are a number of threads you can go to them to read what has already been refuted by many concerning this extreme sect of the Roots Movement.
The saints here have already been fully warned about his anti-Christ belief system as far as Christians are still under the law of Moses. They are not going to desert their Lord and Savior for the law of Moses - believe me.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/138383-so-what-about-fourth-commandment.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/142253-he-turns-his-ear-hearing-law.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/141823-history-sabbath-have-you-been-tricked.html
Another one to look up is a thread called "Dear Bibleguy" where the extreme sect of the Roots beliefs are refuted and shown to be anti-Christ in nature.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/137844-dear-bibleguy.html
Everything in the law is a mere shadow of the real substance which is Christ Himself.
Colossians 2:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—
[SUP]17 [/SUP] things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Paul who knew the law better then anyone had this to say about the purpose of the law.
The purpose of the law was :
1) To reveal our sinful state - Rom 3:20
2) To inflame sin - Rom 7:8
3) To minister death in us - Rom 7:10-11
4) To lead us to Christ - Gal 3:24
The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law! When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus is how we live now, and the law of liberty in Christ Jesus and the law of love, the law of faith ( the Law is NOT of faith - the just shall live by faith ). The law of Christ - Himself is how we live now.
But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.
Christians are dead to the Law, been released from the Law and are NOT under the Law. It can't get any plainer than that.
People are free to do whatever they want in relation to the Law - it does not make one righteous nor is it for salvation.
If someone wants to observe a particular day , festivals or eat or not eat some kinds of foods..etc - then they are free to do so. These have no bearing on one's salvation or righteousness as all that is based on the finished work of Christ.
It's where people are saying "You must observe these things or do these things in the Law or you are not obeying God" - that's where the twisting comes in and it is a perversion of the gospel of the grace of Christ.
This is an anti-Christ belief system religion which has the "appearance" of good but it is really denying the Lord Jesus Christ's finished work. Hebrews 4:10
I am not going to waste my time to continue to argue the law of Moses. Here are a number of threads you can go to them to read what has already been refuted by many concerning this extreme sect of the Roots Movement.
The saints here have already been fully warned about his anti-Christ belief system as far as Christians are still under the law of Moses. They are not going to desert their Lord and Savior for the law of Moses - believe me.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/138383-so-what-about-fourth-commandment.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/142253-he-turns-his-ear-hearing-law.html
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/141823-history-sabbath-have-you-been-tricked.html
Another one to look up is a thread called "Dear Bibleguy" where the extreme sect of the Roots beliefs are refuted and shown to be anti-Christ in nature.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/137844-dear-bibleguy.html
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Grace777x70
Sigh. Okay...
"If the Christian has*died to the law*of Moses,*been released from the law*of Moses and*is not under the*law of Moses anymore because we have died with Christ on the cross and been raised from the dead with Christ in His resurrection - how are we to live now?*What will govern our lives now since we are in Christ?"
When you become caught up in the Sin Doctrine, it is easy to get stuck in these little loops. We have already in this thread looked at what Romans said about the Law. But let's do it again. A little slower.
First we start with Peter's warning:
2 Peter 3:*14**So then, beloved ones, looking forward to this, do your utmost to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,
*15**and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him,
*16**as also in all*his*letters, speaking in them concerning these*matters,*in which some are hard to understand,*which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures.
*17**You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless,
The Greek word used for lawless wickedness here is so much better than the English equivalents:
G113
Original:*ἄθεσμος
Transliteration:*athesmos
Phonetic:*ath'-es-mos
Thayer Definition:
one who breaks through the restraint of law and gratifies his lusts
Origin: from*G1*(as a negative particle) and a derivative of*G5087*(in the sense of enacting)
Do you get it? Do you hear Peter's warning? It is more than just not wanting to keep the law. It is wanting to break it to fulfill our lusts. This is the Sin Doctrine.
Another point about calling it "the law of Moses." We have to remember Moses did not give us the law. It came from Our FATHER. It just came THROUGH Moses. The Law is beyond us in our current corrupt form. This is why Paul says in Romans 7:14*For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
It is fine to call it the Law of Moses as it is fine to say Daniels Prophecy or Peters vision. But in all cases we must remember that these came from Our FATHER. Not the men they were delivered through. It is YHWH'S LAW.
And before continuing, I will once again give the New Testament definition of sin. This is most clearly given in 1John 3:4**Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law
So. The way we sin is by breaking the law. And Peter worried uneducated and unstable people might use Paul's writings to do this. Now let us look at Paul's own words in Romans about using Grace as a license to sin, which we all as New Testament believers know is breaking YHWH'S law because we are told this AFTER CALVARY by the Apostle John.
Romans 3:1**What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit*is there*of circumcision?
*2**Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
*3**For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
*4**God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,*That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
*5**But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say?*Is*God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
*6**God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
*7**For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
*8**And not*rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
*9**What then? are we better*than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Here you see Paul himself warning that Grace is not a License to sin. And in verse 8 he says people who say be IS saying that are liers. And also in verse 6 that The Judgement will use the Law as its base. He also says the Jews are ahead of those of us grafted into Israel as they were blessed to be given and grow up within Torah. And in verse 3 be tells us it doesn't matter a whit if we do not believe the Law. Lets continue on in Chapter3
Romans3:19**Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.*
*20**Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law*is*the knowledge of sin.
So we are all sinners. Romans 3:23 And the law condemns all of us as sinners. That is WHY WE NEED GRACE. Not as a license to sin, but because we are unable to live life without sinning as we are Carnal humans and the Law is SPIRITUAL. Chapter 3 goes on to tell us Grace comes from Messiah. But let's keep jumping a bit.
Romans 3:*31**Do we then make void the law through faith? YHWH forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Okay.... That seems plain. Let us continue. Now please note I am saying that Salvation is of Grace and forgiveness not works, but I am also saying sin is breaking the law and Angers our father so we are to avoid it and repent of it.
Romans 4:15**Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is,*there is*no transgression.
Makes this crystal clear. Sin angers YHWH. His wrath is to be avoided. But if there is no law there is no sin. And if there is no sin Grace means nothing because we do not need forgiveness. If we don't need Grace you rob Messiah of His Glory. This is what chapters 4- 5 are plainly stating.
Lets keep going. Chapter 6 really puts the nail in the coffin of those who try to use Romans to prove the law dead right off the bat.
Romans 6:1**What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
*2**God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
So if we accept His Salvation we get His Grace. And then we are expected to stop sinning, which is breaking the law. This is also one of the key messages Messiah gave us with the woman taken in adultery. " I forgive you. Go forth and sin no more." go forth and try your best to keep my commandments. Go forth and stop law breaking. Not for salvation... But BECAUSE you are saved.
Lets keep going in Romans just to put an end to people trying to use it to teach the Sin Doctrine.
Romans 6:10**For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto YHWH.
*11**Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto YHWH through YahShua Messiah our King.
*12**Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
*13**Neither yield ye your members*as*instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto YHWH, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members*as*instruments of righteousness unto YHWH.*
*14**For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
*15**What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? YHWH forbid.
*16**Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Okay Sin Doctrine folks... If you are sacrificed with the Master you are to be dead to sin. Forgiven. So is it then Okay to sin? Which we know from John and Paul is breaking YHWH's law given through Moses? YHWH FORBID. Paul expected us to try and live as sin free as possible based on this letter, not try and use it to live a life where sin is okay. This is literally the definition of wicked. Paul even says if you let your body sin you do not serve Messiah. So then who are you serving?
Romans 7:7**What shall we say then?*Is*the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.*
*8**But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin*was*dead.
So all you who believe and like to say that law keeping is sin or Anti Christ or Spiritual Adultery or whatever other term the Spirit of the Doctrine of Sin moves you to use to try and prove your lawbreaking good, please stop trying to use Romans...
Continuing in Romans 7:12**Wherefore the law*is*holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
*13**Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
*14**For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
The law is good and Holy. Of Course it is of YHWH not man. Moses was not a spirit. It came from Our Father. It defines Sin and Goodness. It does not overrule Messiah. It CELEBRATES his Grace. It defines his goodness.
Let's look at Romans 8:13**For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
*14**For as many as are led by the Spirit of YHWH, they are the sons of YHWH.
So the Doctrine of Sin teaches the law is bad... And they say the Spirit is leading them. They follow their heart. That is always concerning to me. Because as it says inHebrews 10:15**Whereof the Holy Spirit also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
*16**This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith*יהוה, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
And in Jeremiah 31
31**Behold, the days come, saith*יהוה, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
And
*33**But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith*יהוה, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
So what is this spirit that denies the law? Where does it come from?
Certainly not YHWH or Messiah or even Pauls letter to the Romans.
I will address the rest of your post after I have some coffee.
Sigh. Okay...
"If the Christian has*died to the law*of Moses,*been released from the law*of Moses and*is not under the*law of Moses anymore because we have died with Christ on the cross and been raised from the dead with Christ in His resurrection - how are we to live now?*What will govern our lives now since we are in Christ?"
When you become caught up in the Sin Doctrine, it is easy to get stuck in these little loops. We have already in this thread looked at what Romans said about the Law. But let's do it again. A little slower.
First we start with Peter's warning:
2 Peter 3:*14**So then, beloved ones, looking forward to this, do your utmost to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless,
*15**and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him,
*16**as also in all*his*letters, speaking in them concerning these*matters,*in which some are hard to understand,*which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures.
*17**You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless,
The Greek word used for lawless wickedness here is so much better than the English equivalents:
G113
Original:*ἄθεσμος
Transliteration:*athesmos
Phonetic:*ath'-es-mos
Thayer Definition:
one who breaks through the restraint of law and gratifies his lusts
Origin: from*G1*(as a negative particle) and a derivative of*G5087*(in the sense of enacting)
Do you get it? Do you hear Peter's warning? It is more than just not wanting to keep the law. It is wanting to break it to fulfill our lusts. This is the Sin Doctrine.
Another point about calling it "the law of Moses." We have to remember Moses did not give us the law. It came from Our FATHER. It just came THROUGH Moses. The Law is beyond us in our current corrupt form. This is why Paul says in Romans 7:14*For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
It is fine to call it the Law of Moses as it is fine to say Daniels Prophecy or Peters vision. But in all cases we must remember that these came from Our FATHER. Not the men they were delivered through. It is YHWH'S LAW.
And before continuing, I will once again give the New Testament definition of sin. This is most clearly given in 1John 3:4**Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law
So. The way we sin is by breaking the law. And Peter worried uneducated and unstable people might use Paul's writings to do this. Now let us look at Paul's own words in Romans about using Grace as a license to sin, which we all as New Testament believers know is breaking YHWH'S law because we are told this AFTER CALVARY by the Apostle John.
Romans 3:1**What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit*is there*of circumcision?
*2**Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
*3**For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
*4**God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,*That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
*5**But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say?*Is*God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
*6**God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
*7**For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?
*8**And not*rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
*9**What then? are we better*than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Here you see Paul himself warning that Grace is not a License to sin. And in verse 8 he says people who say be IS saying that are liers. And also in verse 6 that The Judgement will use the Law as its base. He also says the Jews are ahead of those of us grafted into Israel as they were blessed to be given and grow up within Torah. And in verse 3 be tells us it doesn't matter a whit if we do not believe the Law. Lets continue on in Chapter3
Romans3:19**Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.*
*20**Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law*is*the knowledge of sin.
So we are all sinners. Romans 3:23 And the law condemns all of us as sinners. That is WHY WE NEED GRACE. Not as a license to sin, but because we are unable to live life without sinning as we are Carnal humans and the Law is SPIRITUAL. Chapter 3 goes on to tell us Grace comes from Messiah. But let's keep jumping a bit.
Romans 3:*31**Do we then make void the law through faith? YHWH forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Okay.... That seems plain. Let us continue. Now please note I am saying that Salvation is of Grace and forgiveness not works, but I am also saying sin is breaking the law and Angers our father so we are to avoid it and repent of it.
Romans 4:15**Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is,*there is*no transgression.
Makes this crystal clear. Sin angers YHWH. His wrath is to be avoided. But if there is no law there is no sin. And if there is no sin Grace means nothing because we do not need forgiveness. If we don't need Grace you rob Messiah of His Glory. This is what chapters 4- 5 are plainly stating.
Lets keep going. Chapter 6 really puts the nail in the coffin of those who try to use Romans to prove the law dead right off the bat.
Romans 6:1**What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
*2**God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
So if we accept His Salvation we get His Grace. And then we are expected to stop sinning, which is breaking the law. This is also one of the key messages Messiah gave us with the woman taken in adultery. " I forgive you. Go forth and sin no more." go forth and try your best to keep my commandments. Go forth and stop law breaking. Not for salvation... But BECAUSE you are saved.
Lets keep going in Romans just to put an end to people trying to use it to teach the Sin Doctrine.
Romans 6:10**For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto YHWH.
*11**Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto YHWH through YahShua Messiah our King.
*12**Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
*13**Neither yield ye your members*as*instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto YHWH, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members*as*instruments of righteousness unto YHWH.*
*14**For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
*15**What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? YHWH forbid.
*16**Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Okay Sin Doctrine folks... If you are sacrificed with the Master you are to be dead to sin. Forgiven. So is it then Okay to sin? Which we know from John and Paul is breaking YHWH's law given through Moses? YHWH FORBID. Paul expected us to try and live as sin free as possible based on this letter, not try and use it to live a life where sin is okay. This is literally the definition of wicked. Paul even says if you let your body sin you do not serve Messiah. So then who are you serving?
Romans 7:7**What shall we say then?*Is*the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.*
*8**But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin*was*dead.
So all you who believe and like to say that law keeping is sin or Anti Christ or Spiritual Adultery or whatever other term the Spirit of the Doctrine of Sin moves you to use to try and prove your lawbreaking good, please stop trying to use Romans...
Continuing in Romans 7:12**Wherefore the law*is*holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
*13**Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
*14**For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
The law is good and Holy. Of Course it is of YHWH not man. Moses was not a spirit. It came from Our Father. It defines Sin and Goodness. It does not overrule Messiah. It CELEBRATES his Grace. It defines his goodness.
Let's look at Romans 8:13**For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
*14**For as many as are led by the Spirit of YHWH, they are the sons of YHWH.
So the Doctrine of Sin teaches the law is bad... And they say the Spirit is leading them. They follow their heart. That is always concerning to me. Because as it says inHebrews 10:15**Whereof the Holy Spirit also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
*16**This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith*יהוה, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
And in Jeremiah 31
31**Behold, the days come, saith*יהוה, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
And
*33**But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith*יהוה, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
So what is this spirit that denies the law? Where does it come from?
Certainly not YHWH or Messiah or even Pauls letter to the Romans.
I will address the rest of your post after I have some coffee.